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[BleedGreen1989]

Hey Bucks fans, care to humor me for a bit?

It's the offseason and I'm working on a trade value column of my own of sorts. Question for you is, what is the value gap between Jrue Holiday and Chris Paul?

Ignoring if either team would make a trade, if it makes sense, etc. Speaking simply "value".

Is it a good first round pick? a valuable rotation player (Immanuel Quickley as a random example). Or are we talking a significant gap (multiple 1st round picks, blue chip prospects, etc.)

Thanks!

I would say clearly higher value than CP3. Despite his abomination of a series against Miami he was still an all-star and first team all-defense this past season and is still pretty much in his prime vs CP3 being several years past his. I’d want a pretty significant package for Jrue - I don’t think anyone’s giving up a “blue chip” prospect for him, but I’d expect at least a nice prospect with a pick, or multiple 1sts.

It took a lot for Milwaukee to get him almost three years ago -- Bledsoe, two firsts, pick swaps -- and I think he's worth more than that now. He was instrumental in winning a championship, and a couple of sketchy playoff performances since haven't diminished his value. I agree with Prez.

Not necessarily pushing back, but curious why you thinks he’s worth more now 3 years older and closer to the end of his contract/potential retirement?

[tydett]

Central question with Jrue is how serious he is about retiring after his next contract as he claimed earlier this offseason. If that wasn't just a dead air response to a question (and I'm not sure it's really a good joke nor negotiating tactic) - he doesn't really have as much value to other teams as the Bucks... but because of that, the Bucks won't look to just give him away like the Suns and Wizards did for Chris Paul.

I know Paul technically got Beal and Poole - but the NTC forced the Wiz's hands and Poole might actually be an albatross. If Paul upsets the GS system at all, he'll be gone for peanuts again. I don't think another team motivates the Bucks to trade Jrue without offering something of value (which just might not happen anyways).

[sidney lanier]

I would say clearly higher value than CP3. Despite his abomination of a series against Miami he was still an all-star and first team all-defense this past season and is still pretty much in his prime vs CP3 being several years past his. I’d want a pretty significant package for Jrue - I don’t think anyone’s giving up a “blue chip” prospect for him, but I’d expect at least a nice prospect with a pick, or multiple 1sts.

It took a lot for Milwaukee to get him almost three years ago -- Bledsoe, two firsts, pick swaps -- and I think he's worth more than that now. He was instrumental in winning a championship, and a couple of sketchy playoff performances since haven't diminished his value. I agree with Prez.

Not necessarily pushing back, but curious why you thinks he’s worth more now 3 years older and closer to the end of his contract/potential retirement?

I think he's more of a proven commodity now, and he's only 33, so I think he could play 5 or more years at a high level if he doesn't make good on the idea he floated about retiring after his current contract. The Pelicans Jrue was a bit of a question mark, since they were mostly bad. The Jrue of the Bucks has demonstrated the ability to be a cog in a championship machine.

Even though Jrue is more of a combo guard, as a PG he has a long runway to retirement if he chooses to take it. Stockton, the reference case people like to use for PG play, retired at 41.

[skbucks1985]

It took a lot for Milwaukee to get him almost three years ago -- Bledsoe, two firsts, pick swaps -- and I think he's worth more than that now. He was instrumental in winning a championship, and a couple of sketchy playoff performances since haven't diminished his value. I agree with Prez.

Not necessarily pushing back, but curious why you thinks he’s worth more now 3 years older and closer to the end of his contract/potential retirement?

I think he's more of a proven commodity now, and he's only 33, so I think he could play 5 or more years at a high level if he doesn't make good on the idea he floated about retiring after his current contract. The Pelicans Jrue was a bit of a question mark, since they were mostly bad. The Jrue of the Bucks has demonstrated the ability to be a cog in a championship machine.

Even though Jrue is more of a combo guard, as a PG he has a long runway to retirement if he chooses to take it. Stockton, the reference case people like to use for PG play, retired at 41.

It would have to be a 3-team trade since I doubt Portland would be interested in Jrue, but if either publicly or through backchannels we found out that Dame was interested in the Bucks what do you think the Bucks sending out in addition to Jrue for Dame would be fair?

[Daver]

Not necessarily pushing back, but curious why you thinks he’s worth more now 3 years older and closer to the end of his contract/potential retirement?

I think he's more of a proven commodity now, and he's only 33, so I think he could play 5 or more years at a high level if he doesn't make good on the idea he floated about retiring after his current contract. The Pelicans Jrue was a bit of a question mark, since they were mostly bad. The Jrue of the Bucks has demonstrated the ability to be a cog in a championship machine.

Even though Jrue is more of a combo guard, as a PG he has a long runway to retirement if he chooses to take it. Stockton, the reference case people like to use for PG play, retired at 41.

It would have to be a 3-team trade since I doubt Portland would be interested in Jrue, but if either publicly or through backchannels we found out that Dame was interested in the Bucks what do you think the Bucks sending out in addition to Jrue for Dame would be fair?

As much as i dont want the heat to get dame they played it right by having some bad contracts thry can dump on the blazers lowry n robinson.Now that doesnt mean much seeing portland wants no part of anything miami has offered.Problem for bucks is thry dont have tbe draft picks portland wants at least 3 frps but its the players.Jrue/allen/ portis would all have to go.If portland wantz no part of herro n lowry they probably feel the same about holiday n allen.Would love dame here bucks just dont have the assets even if dame said yrs to milwaukee

[raferfenix]

Jrue mentioned retiring at the end of his current contract last offseason actually (it was re-circulated recently as clickbait) and how serious he is about that is a significant variable.

Contracts for stars in their 30’s have ballooned since then so I tend to think he’s reconsidered after realizing he’s in line for another huge payday.

Either way I think the Bucks only trade him for a haul in return since he’s such a great and proven fit here. And everything we know about Griffin seems to indicate he’ll love Holiday too.

[Prez]

I would say clearly higher value than CP3. Despite his abomination of a series against Miami he was still an all-star and first team all-defense this past season and is still pretty much in his prime vs CP3 being several years past his. I’d want a pretty significant package for Jrue - I don’t think anyone’s giving up a “blue chip” prospect for him, but I’d expect at least a nice prospect with a pick, or multiple 1sts.

It took a lot for Milwaukee to get him almost three years ago -- Bledsoe, two firsts, pick swaps -- and I think he's worth more than that now. He was instrumental in winning a championship, and a couple of sketchy playoff performances since haven't diminished his value. I agree with Prez.

Not necessarily pushing back, but curious why you thinks he’s worth more now 3 years older and closer to the end of his contract/potential retirement?

Yeah I would agree he doesn’t have *more* trade value than when we traded for him, but his trade value I imagine is still pretty high. He’s still in his prime and is super well liked across the league, so I think we could still get a good package for him.

[emunney]

I'd argue that the package we gave up for him had a high PR value but not a high actual value. A few late firsts from a team with a young MVP and some guys we wanted to move. They rolled the dice that Giannis would walk but the trade itself reduced those chances, and they were already slim.

[tedbrogen]

I'd argue that the package we gave up for him had a high PR value but not a high actual value. A few late firsts from a team with a young MVP and some guys we wanted to move. They rolled the dice that Giannis would walk but the trade itself reduced those chances, and they were already slim.

The package looked potentially awesome because Giannis hadn’t signed his extension and all the talking heads kept saying he wanted to go elsewhere.

I personally think the Bucks played it perfectly and that they had agreed with Giannis to sign the extension but didn’t leak anything because it would hurt their leverage in trades. Then they announced the extension after the Jrue trade as soon as Giannis got back from Greece.

[Finn]

I love how if you don’t agree with someone’s Thanasis take, it’s because YOU’RE dumb/ignorant/blind to some evident truth. Try making an argument about Thanasis that doesn’t resort to simple attacks on someone’s intelligence.

The current best player in the world plays for the Bucks. Said player needs to sign a new contract with the Bucks. Said player enjoys having his big brother as a teammate. I rest my case.


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[blazza18]

I'm not bothered by the thought of him leaving anymore and I understand the thought process of just doing what needs to be done to keep him but imo Giannis has been here long enough where I call his bluff and bet on him not actually having a massive sook if his brother wasn't brought back as a player.

[MickeyDavis]

I'm not bothered by the thought of him leaving anymore and I understand the thought process of just doing what needs to be done to keep him but imo Giannis has been here long enough where I call his bluff and bet on him not actually having a massive sook if his brother wasn't brought back as a player.

Personally I don't think there's any bluff. I don't think Giannis has said "keep my brother on the team or I'm leaving". I just think we're being proactive by keeping Thanasis around. It's a relatively small thing to do to keep your best player happy.

[VooDoo7]

I'm not bothered by the thought of him leaving anymore and I understand the thought process of just doing what needs to be done to keep him but imo Giannis has been here long enough where I call his bluff and bet on him not actually having a massive sook if his brother wasn't brought back as a player.

We may never see a player as good as Giannis on the Bucks ever again. And you'd be willing to play bluff games over the use of the FINAL SPOT on the roster? Does not compute, at all.

[blazza18]

I'm not bothered by the thought of him leaving anymore and I understand the thought process of just doing what needs to be done to keep him but imo Giannis has been here long enough where I call his bluff and bet on him not actually having a massive sook if his brother wasn't brought back as a player.

We may never see a player as good as Giannis on the Bucks ever again. And you'd be willing to play bluff games over the use of the FINAL SPOT on the roster? Does not compute, at all.

We're going to be ok. The franchise doesn't need to treat Giannis with kids gloves anymore.

[VooDoo7]

I'm not bothered by the thought of him leaving anymore and I understand the thought process of just doing what needs to be done to keep him but imo Giannis has been here long enough where I call his bluff and bet on him not actually having a massive sook if his brother wasn't brought back as a player.

We may never see a player as good as Giannis on the Bucks ever again. And you'd be willing to play bluff games over the use of the FINAL SPOT on the roster? Does not compute, at all.

We're going to be ok. The franchise doesn't need to treat Giannis with kids gloves anymore.

I noticed over the past few years you seem to have it out for Giannis. Why, I don't know. But it's gotten kind of weird.

[Shaffty]

I'm not bothered by the thought of him leaving anymore and I understand the thought process of just doing what needs to be done to keep him but imo Giannis has been here long enough where I call his bluff and bet on him not actually having a massive sook if his brother wasn't brought back as a player.

We may never see a player as good as Giannis on the Bucks ever again. And you'd be willing to play bluff games over the use of the FINAL SPOT on the roster? Does not compute, at all.

We're going to be ok. The franchise doesn't need to treat Giannis with kids gloves anymore.

disagree lol

[blazza18]

We may never see a player as good as Giannis on the Bucks ever again. And you'd be willing to play bluff games over the use of the FINAL SPOT on the roster? Does not compute, at all.

We're going to be ok. The franchise doesn't need to treat Giannis with kids gloves anymore.

I noticed over the past few years you seem to have it out for Giannis. Why, I don't know. But it's gotten kind of weird.

Be serious now lol.

I don't want to waste a roster spot on whatever you want to call Thanasis. I don't have it out for Giannis. All I want is greatness.

[blazza18]

disagree lol

Why? Afraid of him leaving or something else?

[VooDoo7]

We're going to be ok. The franchise doesn't need to treat Giannis with kids gloves anymore.

I noticed over the past few years you seem to have it out for Giannis. Why, I don't know. But it's gotten kind of weird.

Be serious now lol.

I don't want to waste a roster spot on whatever you want to call Thanasis. I don't have it out for Giannis. All I want is greatness.

What if you're GM and Giannis demands you keep his brother, or he leaves. What would you do?

[raferfenix]

If you feel it’s necessary to test Giannis’ commitment to this franchise it’s not aggressively making win now trades — like Lebron insists on with every possible asset for the maximalist scenario.

Hanging onto our 2029 first rather than dealing it for Sexton let’s say is one place we may see this play out.

That’s even aside from a one step back to take two steps forward trade. The Spurs pulled that off with Kawhi to say the least.

Thanasis is such a small gesture comparatively that I’m surprised anyone’s getting riled up about it.