Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[Prez]

If we're not getting all 3 of Castle, #2, and #14 on top of future 1sts, the Spurs can piss off.

[bullsaficianado]

Spurs make the most sense for Giannis. Everyone will be watching Wemby and it takes a ton of pressure off Giannis and it works for the Bucks because you don't want to trade such a beast of a baller East. It really depends if Giannis asks out. If he doesn't keep him.

[msiris]

Russilo had Chris Mannix on his pod. They spent 15 mins talking Giannis. Mannix strongly said Bucks need to get out in front of this and deal him while they hold a lot of leverage.

Of course then he went on to say that Amen is off limits as it relates to Houston.

Without Amen, the package would have to be:
Sengun, Sheppard, Whitmore, Jabari, Eason, 5 firsts, 3 swaps, and up to 8 2nds.

I’d say no because no one in that deal has best player on a contender upside.

Amen plus the picks plus Sengun plus Brooks for Giannis and PatC makes the most sense for everyone.
They can keep FVV, Sheppard, Eason, Jabari, Whitmore, Green to surround Giannis with athletes and an actual PG. Sengun and Brooks are really questionable fits next to Giannis since teams will dare them to shoot threes but would be semi useful for the Bucks since they don’t want to tank and have a coach who doesn’t understand spacing anyways. Eason and the #10 pick are the prize (although with some potentially tasty future Suns picks). If Sengun doesn’t take a jump, you can flip him to some team like how the Pacers flipped Sabonis.

Basically if Amen is untouchable, they are not getting Giannis, especially with the Spurs having #2.

For me it starts with Green. Otherwise kiss off Rockets.

[Bernman]

Marks:

The significance of moving from No. 8 to No. 2 in the lottery puts the Spurs in the driver's seat if the 2021 Finals MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo is made available in a trade. San Antonio also has the No. 14 pick and future assets, including an unprotected 2027 first-rounder from Atlanta. They also have the right to swap with the Hawks next season.

San Antonio has the trade ammunition to execute a major move: they control the Atlanta Hawks' next two drafts, own their future picks other than 2027, and hold far future swap rights to picks from Boston (2028, top-one protected), the more favorable of Dallas and Minnesota (2030, top-one protected), and Sacramento in 2031. Those assets are also far enough out that the Spurs can hold them until they're ready to upgrade or ultimately select with them.

Doesn't mention Castle, Vassell, nor the Bucks getting their own picks back w/ NO folded into the deal? The Spurs sacrifice very little, while getting an MVP candidate. Marks is yet another media pundit openly rooting for our downfall but gaslighting us he's trying to help.

[ShootingtheJ]

Pretty funny reading Bucks beat writer Jimmy O laughing at the national media for thinking Giannis would want out. Bucks fans really need to stop falling for this garbage.

[tedbrogen]

If we're not getting all 3 of Castle, #2, and #14 on top of future 1sts, the Spurs can piss off.

Spurs management would likely offer that no matter how much the media or fans think it’s somehow too much for a top three player.

They’d still have Fox, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby to pair with Giannis. Can re-sign Mamu and CP3 if they want. Would have the MLE to use also. And be a prime destination for min salary vets.

[tedbrogen]

Spurs make a lot of sense for Giannis if he does want out. Gets to compete and gets to stay in a smaller market.

And the pairing with Wemby has to be tantalizing for them. Especially now that it’s not Flagg they are drafting.

But hey, if they like Castle that much or think a better player than Giannis could become available, okay.

[Diggr14]

If we're not getting all 3 of Castle, #2, and #14 on top of future 1sts, the Spurs can piss off.

Spurs management would likely offer that no matter how much the media or fans think it’s somehow too much for a top three player.

They’d still have Fox, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby to pair with Giannis. Can re-sign Mamu and CP3 if they want. Would have the MLE to use also. And be a prime destination for min salary vets.

Castle is overrated.

Harper is too.

#14 pick doesnt have a lot of value IMO.

If they trade Giannis, it's a three way deal for Flagg and to try and get some of our picks back from NO.

[Diggr14]

When OKC inevitably gets bounced by a west team or Boston, the Chet Holmgren Hartenstein plus 4 firsts will be waived in front of us.


If the nets / spurs / anyone else are dumb enough to trade to #1 pick and filler for Giannis, I don’t think there is a world where we can say no. Cooper Flagg is a generational talent. There are good odds he surpasses Giannis career, I’m not saying it’s a lock, because It definitely isn’t, but a multiple mvp and championship career are not unrealistic for that kind of talent.

That’s the package I want especially if the Nets get it

OKC is going to lose to Indiana. Indiana will be champs this year.

[tedbrogen]

Isn’t unraveling that 2027 pick too complicated at this point?

“NOP will receive the more favorable of its 2027 1st round pick and MIL's 2027 1st round pick and ATL will receive the less favorable of the two protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyable, then NOP' commitment to ATL will be lifted and NOP will instead receive both picks (via NOP)”

It appears you either need to loop in Atlanta as well or have the Pels pass along their part of the agreement back to the Bucks? Which is really the Pels giving the Bucks two firsts but the lesser is going to the Hawks unless both are top four.

26 is just a swap and unless you are truly set on tanking, Bucks could still finish ahead of the Pels if they receive even okay role players in the Giannis deal.

[Bucknado]

After reading Owczarski’s skeets it sounds like Giannis isn’t going anywhere. I’ll be expecting the Bucks to be aggressive this offseason given that they moved Khris to have more flexibility.

If Jim is right, watching Windy and all the dick bags at ESPN piss and moan again will be highly entertaining.

[Profound23]

Not a fan of Nick Wright but I like that he (or someone on his staff) put together potential trade offers that fit in the new salary cap/apron rules.

Watch on YouTube

Curious if any of you like the potential trades mentioned IF GIANNIS WANTS OUT:

-Houston-(Bucks get Sengun, Reed Sheppard, Landale, PHX 2027 1st, PHX 2029 1st, Houston 2028 1st, Houston 2030 1st) I personally would say keep Sengun/Landale and give me Amen/cap filler like Aaron Holiday which works in trade checker

-Philly (Bucks get Maxey, McCain, Philly's 2025 first-third overall, LAC 28 1st, and LAC 29 swap) So basically our team would be Maxey, McCain, Ace Bailey

-NYK (Bucks get KAT, McBride, 26 1st round swap, 28 1st round swap, and 30 1st round swap) Personally I say no thanks

-OKC-(Bucks get SGA, Kenrich Williams) Ok this is a dumb option and OKC doesn't even consider it at this point.

-SAS (Bucks get Castle, K. Johnson, Barnes, ATL 2027 1st, Chicago 2027 1st, Boston 2028 1st, Dallas 2030 1st, and Minnesota 2030 1st)

[soxperry]

None of those trades seem like enough when compared with previous trades for guys like Bridges, Gobert and Crowder.

[soxperry]

In all seriousness, those are good starting points. But now you trim it down to two or three finalists: its a bid war. Its Giannis. Pony up or go home.

[German Athens]

The Knicks offer is laughable. 3 swaps!? All that would net us is Giannis for KAT and McBride.

[Frank Nova]

The media is brain rotting some of you guys. None of those trades are good.

[soxperry]

One last thing... Im pretty tired of hearing about Houston. For one, they really aren't that good after a Giannis trade if they give us Thompson. But if they dont give us Thompson, they will get outbid. No one is excited about Sheppard or Green, those are not valuable players in today's nba. And the Phoenix picks are not really all that exciting. Their new owner will simply keep spending and players will sign there because its phoenix. They will be perrennial play-in guys. Houston should get KD or Booker, that makes the most sense for everyone.

[Licensed to Il]

I feel like one of these three options will happen:

- Giannis will want to stay and chase a "three time MVP, two time world champion, one team" legacy. Horst will be aggressive in putting a highly specialized roster of 3+D players around GA. The 25-26 team will be frisky but also a first round exit. The following year or two we'd have opportunities for substantial improvement. This would necessitate moving on from Doc

- Bucks and GA will quietly agree to move on, and we'd take a massive offer from San Antonio or three way trade involving Dallas. First year or two would be rough. But if done right we'd have youth and talent and be watchable

- Bucks take the most unimaginative path which involves: announcing that Giannis is staying, keeping Doc, making a panic trade such as reacquiring Jrue, all to have Giannis get sick of it all around the all star break and end up demanding a trade in a fashion that somehow reduces the Bucks leverage and return

Out of those options, the third feels more possible than it should be. One is what I am hoping for. The second would hurt more than most here realize the first year or two, but if done right lead to a fun team down the road. I think if basketball front office people win out, we go 1. If financial minded and uncreative owner types win out, three seems (to them) like the safe and profitable way forward (until it all crashes and burns)

[tydett]

Bucks don't need to "get out in front" of anything - they could say tomorrow that they were shopping Giannis and 29 teams would line up with their best offers.

But as others are saying, it doesn't matter anyways because Giannis isn't wired like the NBA media wishes he were. Otherwise, we would've been having this conversation 5 years ago after losing to the Heat in the bubble (and almost every year since, except '21).

[bucksfansince88]

Keep Giannis and do everything you possibly can to keep getting more athletic and versatile around him. No more one dimensional or "3&D" guys get dudes that can hoop, compete and have modern NBA size and athleticism. the success model is evident from how we ended the regular season and the group that Doc ran into the ground in our elimination game.

Fire Doc, if not strip all dinosaurs from the roster