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[ShootingtheJ]

What theoretical trade are we talking about? The one where we pin all our hopes on Tari Eason turning into Paul George? I like both him and Cam Johnson a lot, but those dudes are 100% supplemental offensive players. You're quite clearly just replacing Dame with Schroder as the only other shot-creator/play-maker outside of Giannis and the 30-50 games that Khris inevitably suits up for. Pretty sure the offense would be an abject disaster.

Abject disaster? Come back to Earth. Our offense wasn't a disaster with Jrue and Grayson. We won a Ship with Jrue and PJ as the starting back court. Giannis has gotten his teammates great shots in every playoff series he played in. Imagine Giannis, instead of passing to slow release 6'4" dudes, if he instead was passing to career 6'8" 43% playoff 3 point shooter Cam Johnson.

The postseason offense absolutely was a disaster with that backcourt for the majority of the last two Bud years lol. The regular season offense was able to outperform their talent level in those years because Bud was a scheme wizard, and Khris was a consistently reliable 20/6/5 sidekick giving you 60-70 games. Those things are long gone, so I'm not really convinced that you're understanding how steep a drop off it is exchanging Dame for Schroder and a couple catch and shoot guys who can't create for themselves (99% of Eason's and 97% of Cam's career 3PT makes are assisted...).

Are you saying the offense wasn't good enough with Giannis out? Well yeah, of course. We've also seen the team isn't good enough in the playoffs with Dame and no Giannis, the team was awful with Dame on the floor.

The only way you're winning in the playoffs without Giannis (or Khris) is by playing defense, and that's not an option with Dame.

[tydett]

Probably discussed already, but the Bucks City edition is an abomination and must be stopped.

[Frank Nova]

My dream of Tari Eason seems dead now. That makes me sad. Who do I turn my attention to now? Bobby and Marjon seem the most likely to go but I’m sure no one is eager to take a bite out of our poop sandwich we’re offering…. The 2031 1st is gonna get traded and it’s gonna be for someone totally underwhelming. Sigh.

[Ron Swanson]

Abject disaster? Come back to Earth. Our offense wasn't a disaster with Jrue and Grayson. We won a Ship with Jrue and PJ as the starting back court. Giannis has gotten his teammates great shots in every playoff series he played in. Imagine Giannis, instead of passing to slow release 6'4" dudes, if he instead was passing to career 6'8" 43% playoff 3 point shooter Cam Johnson.

The postseason offense absolutely was a disaster with that backcourt for the majority of the last two Bud years lol. The regular season offense was able to outperform their talent level in those years because Bud was a scheme wizard, and Khris was a consistently reliable 20/6/5 sidekick giving you 60-70 games. Those things are long gone, so I'm not really convinced that you're understanding how steep a drop off it is exchanging Dame for Schroder and a couple catch and shoot guys who can't create for themselves (99% of Eason's and 97% of Cam's career 3PT makes are assisted...).

Are you saying the offense wasn't good enough with Giannis out? Well yeah, of course. We've also seen the team isn't good enough in the playoffs with Dame and no Giannis, the team was awful with Dame on the floor.

The offense wasn't good enough with Giannis in the 2022 playoffs because the Jrue/Grayson backcourt was all-time horrible offensively (26 PPG combined on 43% TS). And Jrue was a +24.9 (lol) in the Heat series where he was absolutely cooked on both ends and stuffed in a locker by Jimmy. You gotta stop using 4-5 game on/off samples man.

[PG Graveyard]

Dame

for

Deangelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Hachimura
First (no protection)- 2026

I would do that assuming Giannis is ok with it.

[PG Graveyard]

My dream of Tari Eason seems dead now. That makes me sad. Who do I turn my attention to now? Bobby and Marjon seem the most likely to go but I’m sure no one is eager to take a bite out of our poop sandwich we’re offering…. The 2031 1st is gonna get traded and it’s gonna be for someone totally underwhelming. Sigh.

I’m not sure it was alive but what makes it dead now?

[KidA24]

Are you including the other players acquired in the Dame trade? You know Schroder would be the 3rd best player in the deal, right?

What theoretical trade are we talking about? The one where we pin all our hopes on Tari Eason turning into Paul George? I like both him and Cam Johnson a lot, but those dudes are 100% supplemental offensive players. You're quite clearly just replacing Dame with Schroder as the only other shot-creator/play-maker outside of Giannis and the 30-50 games that Khris inevitably suits up for. Pretty sure the offense would be an abject disaster.

Abject disaster? Come back to Earth. Our offense wasn't a disaster with Jrue and Grayson. We won a Ship with Jrue and PJ as the starting back court. Giannis has gotten his teammates great shots in every playoff series he played in. Imagine Giannis, instead of passing to slow release 6'4" dudes, if he instead was passing to career 6'8" 43% playoff 3 point shooter Cam Johnson.

The offense has regularly cratered against good teams who can throw big bodies at Giannis in the playoffs.

Playoff Per 100 Poss scoring:
2019: 110.7
v Det: 121.8
v Bos: 113.0 (aka, the George Hill series)
v Tor: 106.7
2020: 109.1
v Orl: 116.2
v Mia: 106.0
2021: 112.2
v Heat: 118.5
V Nets: 101.9
v ATL: 113.3
v Phoenix: 111.7
2022: 103.4
vs Bos: 100.7
2023: 114.2 (5 games)

NBA playoff average:
2019: 110.0
2020: 111.3
2021: 114.3
2022: 111.2
2023: 113.5

[Frank Nova]

My dream of Tari Eason seems dead now. That makes me sad. Who do I turn my attention to now? Bobby and Marjon seem the most likely to go but I’m sure no one is eager to take a bite out of our poop sandwich we’re offering…. The 2031 1st is gonna get traded and it’s gonna be for someone totally underwhelming. Sigh.

I’m not sure it was alive but what makes it dead now?

Fat man Windhorst put out an article today that Houston has no interest in trading any of its young core, specifically Amen Thompson and “draft steal” Tari Eason. It was probably never a thing but I held out hope. Should’ve pounced when Houston showed interest in Brook and they didn’t know what they had in Eason yet. I’m really not even upset…

[ReddoverKobe]

Dame

for

Deangelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Hachimura
First (no protection)- 2026

I would do that assuming Giannis is ok with it.

100% lock that **** in!

[ShootingtheJ]

The postseason offense absolutely was a disaster with that backcourt for the majority of the last two Bud years lol. The regular season offense was able to outperform their talent level in those years because Bud was a scheme wizard, and Khris was a consistently reliable 20/6/5 sidekick giving you 60-70 games. Those things are long gone, so I'm not really convinced that you're understanding how steep a drop off it is exchanging Dame for Schroder and a couple catch and shoot guys who can't create for themselves (99% of Eason's and 97% of Cam's career 3PT makes are assisted...).

Are you saying the offense wasn't good enough with Giannis out? Well yeah, of course. We've also seen the team isn't good enough in the playoffs with Dame and no Giannis, the team was awful with Dame on the floor.

The offense wasn't good enough with Giannis in the 2022 playoffs because the Jrue/Grayson backcourt was all-time horrible offensively (26 PPG combined on 43% TS).

So now your shifting to when Khris got hurt? The offense was fine until then, despite Grayson being useless. Just picture if the Bucks substituted Cam Johnson for Grayson in that Celtics series. He'd have knocked down tons of open 3s, and we'd been in the Finals.

[Baddy Chuck]

Dennis Schroder is having a terrific year. He's not Dame, but he can do 2 things Dame can't: he can guard PGs, and he excellent playing off ball. He's getting to play off ball a lot this year when playing with Simmons, and his best season of his career came when he played off ball in OKC.

He's matured the last 2 years, and would fit perfect with Giannis.

Understanding the maturing he done (FIBA Schroder's been fun) since then one would be remised if they didn't mention your usual focus on "playoff performers" and what an absolute and complete dud he's been there throughout his career, namely playing off of LeBron James recently.

Schroder has had a playoff series where he scored 25 ppg while shooting 43% from 3. He's capable when surrounded by the right talent, and he'd be a 4th or 5th option here.

He's a career 52% TS% playoff performer and 32% from three, which isn't that far off his normal career numbers. Though I suppose when he's surrounded by guys like Dwight Howard and Tim Hardaway Jr he's a little easier to read as a less primary option than next to guys like LeBron James and Anthony Davis. Hell, maybe Taurean Prince was the key to unlocking him. We love playoff samples here but he was a -10.6 on/off that Atlanta series too.

[Ron Swanson]

The obvious frustration/annoyance with the idea of trading Dame before him and Giannis even get one playoff series together, is that some of you guys are so damn reactionary to the problems that inevitably arise with such a massive philosophical roster change.

Long story short, the window was absolutely slammed shut with Jrue/Khris/Giannis due to Khris' body breaking down, and Jrue being physically incapable of assuming the role of a proper #2 on a contending team. The Dame trade was a necessary shakeup, but it also should have been followed by wholesale changes to the rest of the roster that fit around the Dame/Giannis duo. Frustratingly, that still hasn't happened, and that plus coaching ineptitude is much more of a reasoning for the team's struggles than any grievances you wanna throw at the guy who's still an absolute bucket whenever he crosses half court.

All that the vast majority of these Dame trades seem to want to do is re-create the 2021 team in the aggregate with worse and/or younger personnel because of this kinda narrow-minded view that it's the only way to build a competent team around Giannis as the focal point. I'm not buying what you guys are selling, at all.

[-Jragon-]

When you're looking at what seperates Dame, just listen to his press conferences. He breaks down everything the defenses try to do, then how he counters it, and then how he sets them up for later in the game.

Then when he talks about his off-season listen closer..he limits his vacations to rest his body for the season, he has a skills trainer, personal trainer, agility trainer, and dietitian. I bet one of our other stars just has a surgeon and a pasta chef

[-Jragon-]

The obvious frustration/annoyance with the idea of trading Dame before him and Giannis even get one playoff series together, is that some of you guys are so damn reactionary to the problems that inevitably arise with such a massive philosophical roster change.

Long story short, the window was absolutely slammed shut with Jrue/Khris/Giannis due to Khris' body breaking down, and Jrue being physically incapable of assuming the role of a proper #2 on a contending team. The Dame trade was a necessary shakeup, but it also should have been followed by wholesale changes to the rest of the roster that fit around the Dame/Giannis duo. Frustratingly, that still hasn't happened, and that plus coaching ineptitude is much more of a reasoning for the team's struggles than any grievances you wanna throw at the guy who's still an absolute bucket whenever he crosses half court.

All that the vast majority of these Dame trades seem to want to do is re-create the 2021 team in the aggregate with worse and/or younger personnel because of this kinda narrow-minded view that it's the only way to build a competent team around Giannis as the focal point. I'm not buying what you guys are selling, at all.

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[randy84]

The obvious frustration/annoyance with the idea of trading Dame before him and Giannis even get one playoff series together, is that some of you guys are so damn reactionary to the problems that inevitably arise with such a massive philosophical roster change.

Long story short, the window was absolutely slammed shut with Jrue/Khris/Giannis due to Khris' body breaking down, and Jrue being physically incapable of assuming the role of a proper #2 on a contending team. The Dame trade was a necessary shakeup, but it also should have been followed by wholesale changes to the rest of the roster that fit around the Dame/Giannis duo. Frustratingly, that still hasn't happened, and that plus coaching ineptitude is much more of a reasoning for the team's struggles than any grievances you wanna throw at the guy who's still an absolute bucket whenever he crosses half court.

All that the vast majority of these Dame trades seem to want to do is re-create the 2021 team in the aggregate with worse and/or younger personnel because of this kinda narrow-minded view that it's the only way to build a competent team around Giannis as the focal point. I'm not buying what you guys are selling, at all.

People act like that 2021 team was going to be some kind of dynasty team. It never was going to be that type of team. They had some good breaks to win that title and then didn't resign the "dawg" that got them there (according to some people).

[-Jragon-]

I wonder if there really ever was a surgery. I imagine.... imagine.. imagine.... playoffs end in a sudden 1st round loss to Indy..

Dame in the lockerroom after the game: "alright Khris, this bs isn't happening again.. not on my Dame Time watch... Khris bro we're getting ripped, all summer let's get shredded, I'll hire a personal trainer, dietitian, mobility expert, skills trainer.. come over Monday bro we're starting immediately, what time can you get to my house?"

Khris: "ohhh awww yeah ummmm dude, I totally want to do all that what you just said but.... uhhhhh... Surgery! Yeah yeah I'm getting a surgery on ummmmm ankles yeah.. that's it, nothing serious but I won't be able to do any of that sprinting or fitness stuff or play in any games until after Xmas or so.. maybe 2025."

Dame: "awe man I hope you get better, yo I'll send my dietitian engineer over for some healing..."

Khris: "nahh nahh nah, I already have Alfredo my chicken/pasta guy he'll hook me up, it's all good, thanks though have a good summer (dips out)"

[-Jragon-]

Listen to these 2 interviews.. closely

1st one listen to especially the 1st 2 lines he says

https://youtu.be/zVUKtIsde_8?si=43FOyGgRe8UO0dYq

https://youtu.be/eOowIAneMZU?si=BxvjDm1CT1g-XT_f

Notice the difference yet?

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[ShootingtheJ]

I wonder if there really ever was a surgery. I imagine.... imagine.. imagine.... playoffs end in a sudden 1st round loss to Indy..

Dame in the lockerroom after the game: "alright Khris, this bs isn't happening again.. not on my Dame Time watch... Khris bro we're getting ripped, all summer let's get shredded, I'll hire a personal trainer, dietitian, mobility expert, skills trainer.. come over Monday bro we're starting immediately, what time can you get to my house?"

Khris: "ohhh awww yeah ummmm dude, I totally want to do all that what you just said but.... uhhhhh... Surgery! Yeah yeah I'm getting a surgery on ummmmm ankles yeah.. that's it, nothing serious but I won't be able to do any of that sprinting or fitness stuff or play in any games until after Xmas or so.. maybe 2025."

Dame: "awe man I hope you get better, yo I'll send my dietitian engineer over for some healing..."

Khris: "nahh nahh nah, I already have Alfredo my chicken/pasta guy he'll hook me up, it's all good, thanks though have a good summer (dips out)"

Or maybe Khris should have said " Dame, why don't you work on your shooting so you don't shoot 35% from 3 again".

[LittleRooster]

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