Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

[PedroGrande]

RS- if you were rich enough and bought the bucks you'd just sit back and sign checks? For **** sake if you were owner we'd have embiid.

I'd hire the smartest person I know to run the team and give them the resources ($$$) they need to get the job done.

This is not hte case but what if you hired the smartest person that you knew. And one day they say to you: I want to hire Drew (or Skiles whoever you hate more) as a coach.


What would you do?

[europa]

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so there it is.

Bout time Hammond found a way to put all those extra seconds to some kind of use.

[ReasonablySober]

Just cause Kohl suck ed at owning doesn't mean these guys will.

These guys might be great. Jason Kidd might be great.

This just doesn't jibe with the narrative that we all wishfully thinking wanted to occur here the past ten years. i.e. hiring smart POBO, giving that person total control and letting that person build strong organization over years of development.

We're now bringing in George Karl part II. Talented but ego monster guy. Karl's first couple years with the Bucks both coaching and his "GM" work were great. He got a winning culture instilled, got Big Dog to play better, brought in Sam Cassell to lead the team on the court.

The problems occurred later when Karl started to lose the emotional high of things and/or started to break down with Kohl and the cronies. Then we started to see the damaging moves made because there was no long-term thinking POBO in place.

That's how I see it going down with Kidd. I think these next 24-months could be spectacular. But Kidd never has the patience though, so long-term it won't end well, unless Kidd mature significantly as a person. It will be up to Lasry to try and help him do that.

Yup.

But all of the sudden this is fine because the owners aren't Kohl.

[LUKE23]

Why does Kidd not deserve any blame for them struggling out of the gate? And please. That team was talented, I don't care how old KG and PP were. The East was GARBAGE last year. Rose was down. There were two teams capable of winning a title in the entire conference. Brooklyn should have been the third seed. Kidd doesn't get a pass for their horrific start.

[glenn]

Why does Kidd not deserve any blame for them struggling out of the gate? And please. That team was talented, I don't care how old KG and PP were. The East was GARBAGE last year. Rose was down. There were two teams capable of winning a title in the entire conference. Brooklyn should have been the third seed. Kidd doesn't get a pass for their horrific start.

He should get blame, but he was a 1st year head coach. He doesn't get any allowances for growing pains?

[Wiscfan92]

I'm content with the pair of 2nd-rounders for JKidd. Let's hope it works out. Don't see how it could be any worse than last year. However, coming to the booze capital of the world may not be good for his DUI history


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[BobbyLight]

I'm cautiously optimistic. I like what PP said about this possibly being like Karl but we can cross our fingers it ends better than that. I get that people hate Kidd, but I honestly can't see how anyone can argue against the second half of last year. He got what I thought was a pretty crappy team (all those vets were done, they got maybe .036% of what was left of KG) and he made some ballsy choices to make that success happen.

As long as he comes in and says he's in for the 5 year re-build, I'm going to give this a chance and hope it works out.

[BigDee]

Still don't know how I feel about this thing.

[ReasonablySober]

2015 and 2019 per Woj. That '15 will be a good one if it's our own.

[Aaron It Out]

I'd hire the smartest person I know to run the team and give them the resources ($$$) they need to get the job done.

That's bull. If you had billions, you are probably the smartest person you know. Your opinion as an owner still counts. People want to keep saying it's meddling if an owner gets involved. That's not true at all. Just cause Kohl suck ed at owning doesn't mean these guys will.

COUNTERPOINT:

James Dolan.

I have a hard time believing even you take yourself seriously. If that wasn't a serious post then my mistake.

[Zeezprah]

Why does Kidd not deserve any blame for them struggling out of the gate? And please. That team was talented, I don't care how old KG and PP were. The East was GARBAGE last year. Rose was down. There were two teams capable of winning a title in the entire conference. Brooklyn should have been the third seed. Kidd doesn't get a pass for their horrific start.

because they threw a bunch of random, high ego, over the hill players onto a team and said "play"? there's almost always going to be some growing pains/learning curve with that, especially when you ask a guy who's never coached before to do it. he got them to the eastern semis until he ran into heat. what should he have done better?

[buckboy]

Just cause Kohl suck ed at owning doesn't mean these guys will.

These guys might be great. Jason Kidd might be great.

This just doesn't jibe with the narrative that we all wishfully thinking wanted to occur here the past ten years. i.e. hiring smart POBO, giving that person total control and letting that person build strong organization over years of development.

We're now bringing in George Karl part II. Talented but ego monster guy. Karl's first couple years with the Bucks both coaching and his "GM" work were great. He got a winning culture instilled, got Big Dog to play better, brought in Sam Cassell to lead the team on the court.

The problems occurred later when Karl started to lose the emotional high of things and/or started to break down with Kohl and the cronies. Then we started to see the damaging moves made because there was no long-term thinking POBO in place.

That's how I see it going down with Kidd. I think these next 24-months could be spectacular. But Kidd never has the patience though, so long-term it won't end well, unless Kidd mature significantly as a person. It will be up to Lasry to try and help him do that.

So Jabari will be traded for...........36 year old Chris Paul?

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Going to support this move until I have a legit reason not to. Hoping Kidd is a boon for Wolters' development.

[LUKE23]

I have huge problems with all of this. I have problems giving any picks for Jason Kidd. I have problems with how this was handled, i.e. the owner making the move instead of hiring a POBO to make these decisions. And I have a problem hiring Kidd as a coach if he's really going to be much more than that.

This sucks.

[ReasonablySober]

That's bull. If you had billions, you are probably the smartest person you know. Your opinion as an owner still counts. People want to keep saying it's meddling if an owner gets involved. That's not true at all. Just cause Kohl suck ed at owning doesn't mean these guys will.

COUNTERPOINT:

James Dolan.

I have a hard time believing even you take yourself seriously. If that wasn't a serious post then my mistake.

What?

[ReasonablySober]

I have huge problems with all of this. I have problems giving any picks for Jason Kidd. I have problems with how this was handled, i.e. the owner making the move instead of hiring a POBO to make these decisions. And I have a problem hiring Kidd as a coach if he's really going to be much more than that.

This sucks.

Just a crappy situation all around.

[europa]

If Kidd is the guy the new owners want so be it. I'm in with them so we'll see how it goes. I think its virtually impossible for him not to be an upgrade over Drew. So there's that.

The cost to get him was extremely minimal. Seconds carry little value in the NBA. No one should lament the departure of some seconds in my opinion just like no one should be getting all fired up about adding some.

[FlagsFlyForever]

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so there it is.

Good. Since the Bucks have $3M to buy second round picks if they value them so much, this should be a nice upgrade from Larry Drew at little cost.

[MickeyDavis]

Because, let me tell you, nothing gets public support like a DUI having, wife beating, cup spilling douche bag getting hired.

That's the thing. I read on here about how a "big name" like Kidd will attract the casual fan. But that same fan will be turned off by the baggage he brings. Personally I don't care about that, but many will.