Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dairy Bird Extended - 4/$45 million

[soxperry]

What does Kuzma, Ajax, Smith, and our remaining picks get us?

Who honestly knows. in a perfect world, we are patient and we wait for the next Jimmy Butler situation to unfold. In reality, theres no guarantee of that. In the meantime, we all have to suffer and watch Kuzma prance around like a drunken giraffe.

[drew881]

I wonder how Gary Trent feels seeing this signing.

[MKE_Beers]

I wonder how Gary Trent feels seeing this signing.

He probably sees dollar signs $$. We're eligible to sign him for around mid-level money next year if things go well but if they go really well he could get more from someone else.

[emunney]

I wonder how Gary Trent feels seeing this signing.

He probably feels like the Bucks would have given him more than that if it'd been allowed by the CBA, but I'm not so sure they would have.

[slos]

What’s the maximum extension KPJ and GTJ can get and when?

[emunney]

What’s the maximum extension KPJ and GTJ can get and when?

Their contracts can't be extended. If they opt out next summer, we'll have their Early Bird Rights and be able to offer them up to the value of the full MLE (without using the actual MLE).

[slos]

What’s the maximum extension KPJ and GTJ can get and when?

Their contracts can't be extended. If they opt out next summer, we'll have their Early Bird Rights and be able to offer them up to the value of the full MLE (without using the actual MLE).

So no chance this happens during the season? I thought Bucks could extend them around February for the league average around 13-14 mil.

[emunney]

What’s the maximum extension KPJ and GTJ can get and when?

Their contracts can't be extended. If they opt out next summer, we'll have their Early Bird Rights and be able to offer them up to the value of the full MLE (without using the actual MLE).

So no chance this happens during the season?

Correct, it's impossible.

[Dick Tate]

I wonder how Gary Trent feels seeing this signing.

Probably still kicking himself for turning down $15M/yr from the Raptors.

[midranger]

Given the salary cap nowadays I'd have been fine up to 15m/year for a starting player. He's lethal from deep and he's defense is actually impressive. He doesn't get a friendly whistle at all and I hope that changes this year. Super pumped we got him around $11m/yr.

I think the point is that hes not a starter, ideally. 11 for one of your 6-8 guys is fine, though.

He’s a gadget starter on a loaded team, like say, the healthy Celtics from two years ago. He probably could’ve filled in that Derrick White role well enough that they’d still be competitive for the title. Or say… the Rockets this year as the spacer opposite Amen at the PG.

On a team with Gianni’s, Turner, and no proven backcourt/ballhandling/halfcourt option, he is certainly not an ideal starter. We need all the dimensions we can get. That’s not him. I’m hopeful for a couple other guys showing massive development, but you pretty much know what Green is bringing.

[Ron Swanson]

We had 33-year old, post-Achilles tear Wes Matthews as the starting SG on a team that was on pace to win almost 70-games. Green is fine in that role so yeah, the problem is more the lack of perimeter talent on the team as a whole. That squad had an All-Defense level lead guard (Bledsoe) and one of the best backup PG's in the league in George Hill, and that's not even mentioning peak Khris who was essentially playing at an All-NBA wing level that year.

[ShootingtheJ]

Given the salary cap nowadays I'd have been fine up to 15m/year for a starting player. He's lethal from deep and he's defense is actually impressive. He doesn't get a friendly whistle at all and I hope that changes this year. Super pumped we got him around $11m/yr.

I think the point is that hes not a starter, ideally. 11 for one of your 6-8 guys is fine, though.

He’s a gadget starter on a loaded team, like say, the healthy Celtics from two years ago. He probably could’ve filled in that Derrick White role well enough that they’d still be competitive for the title. Or say… the Rockets this year as the spacer opposite Amen at the PG.

On a team with Gianni’s, Turner, and no proven backcourt/ballhandling/halfcourt option, he is certainly not an ideal starter. We need all the dimensions we can get. That’s not him. I’m hopeful for a couple other guys showing massive development, but you pretty much know what Green is bringing.

Then why is the Giannis, GTJ, Green, KPJ lineup so dominant?

[midranger]

We had 33-year old, post-Achilles tear Wes Matthews as the starting SG on a team that was on pace to win almost 70-games. Green is fine in that role so yeah, the problem is more the lack of perimeter talent on the team as a whole. That squad had an All-Defense level lead guard (Bledsoe) and one of the best backup PG's in the league in George Hill, and that's not even mentioning peak Khris who was essentially playing at an All-NBA wing level that year.

So…. You’re aggressively agreeing with me?

[midranger]

I think the point is that hes not a starter, ideally. 11 for one of your 6-8 guys is fine, though.

He’s a gadget starter on a loaded team, like say, the healthy Celtics from two years ago. He probably could’ve filled in that Derrick White role well enough that they’d still be competitive for the title. Or say… the Rockets this year as the spacer opposite Amen at the PG.

On a team with Gianni’s, Turner, and no proven backcourt/ballhandling/halfcourt option, he is certainly not an ideal starter. We need all the dimensions we can get. That’s not him. I’m hopeful for a couple other guys showing massive development, but you pretty much know what Green is bringing.

Then why is the Giannis, GTJ, Green, KPJ lineup so dominant?

Dunno. I’ll wait to see them outside of a handful of games in nba garbage time where half the teams are actively tanking. Lest I be one of the dudes who bought into Ramon Session or Dan Gadzuric as 20/20 guys.

I can see that 4-man lineup played 74 minutes against the pacers in round 1 and was outscored by 2.6 points per 100 possessions. Not exactly a “dominant” showing.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?slug=advanced&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Playoffs&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=4

I don’t think AJ is the problem with that lineup. The problem is playing 3 guards who are all just aight, and struggle to play up defensively. Play two of them and a good wing (like Khris of 4 years ago) and you have something.

[Ron Swanson]

I'd say AJ is probably more functionally athletic and a better pure shooter than that version of Wes, but yeah, I guess? The Derrick White role is a pretty big stretch though. AJ doesn't have that kind of offensive upside to really have that late-career transformation into a fringe All-Star dude. He's absolutely capable of replicating what Peyton Pritchard does though.

[drdrG]

He’s a gadget starter on a loaded team, like say, the healthy Celtics from two years ago. He probably could’ve filled in that Derrick White role well enough that they’d still be competitive for the title. Or say… the Rockets this year as the spacer opposite Amen at the PG.

On a team with Gianni’s, Turner, and no proven backcourt/ballhandling/halfcourt option, he is certainly not an ideal starter. We need all the dimensions we can get. That’s not him. I’m hopeful for a couple other guys showing massive development, but you pretty much know what Green is bringing.

Then why is the Giannis, GTJ, Green, KPJ lineup so dominant?

Dunno. I’ll wait to see them outside of a handful of games in nba garbage time where half the teams are actively tanking. Lest I be one of the dudes who bought into Ramon Session or Dan Gadzuric as 20/20 guys.

I can see that 4-man lineup played 74 minutes against the pacers in round 1 and was outscored by 2.6 points per 100 possessions. Not exactly a “dominant” showing.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?slug=advanced&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Playoffs&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=4

I don’t think AJ is the problem with that lineup. The problem is playing 3 guards who are all just aight. Play two of them and a good wing and you have something.

I wonder what this lineup looks like if you replace GTJ or AJG with Rollins.

I think Rollins projects as the best player of the three. He's got more on-ball potential and has great defensive metrics already with upside

[ShootingtheJ]

Then why is the Giannis, GTJ, Green, KPJ lineup so dominant?

Dunno. I’ll wait to see them outside of a handful of games in nba garbage time where half the teams are actively tanking. Lest I be one of the dudes who bought into Ramon Session or Dan Gadzuric as 20/20 guys.

I can see that 4-man lineup played 74 minutes against the pacers in round 1 and was outscored by 2.6 points per 100 possessions. Not exactly a “dominant” showing.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?slug=advanced&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Playoffs&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=4

I don’t think AJ is the problem with that lineup. The problem is playing 3 guards who are all just aight. Play two of them and a good wing and you have something.

I wonder what this lineup looks like if you replace GTJ or AJG with Rollins.

I think Rollins projects as the best player of the three. He's got more on-ball potential and has great defensive metrics already with upside

All true, but he's not nearly the shooter.

[ShootingtheJ]

He’s a gadget starter on a loaded team, like say, the healthy Celtics from two years ago. He probably could’ve filled in that Derrick White role well enough that they’d still be competitive for the title. Or say… the Rockets this year as the spacer opposite Amen at the PG.

On a team with Gianni’s, Turner, and no proven backcourt/ballhandling/halfcourt option, he is certainly not an ideal starter. We need all the dimensions we can get. That’s not him. I’m hopeful for a couple other guys showing massive development, but you pretty much know what Green is bringing.

Then why is the Giannis, GTJ, Green, KPJ lineup so dominant?

Dunno. I’ll wait to see them outside of a handful of games in nba garbage time where half the teams are actively tanking. Lest I be one of the dudes who bought into Ramon Session or Dan Gadzuric as 20/20 guys.

I can see that 4-man lineup played 74 minutes against the pacers in round 1 and was outscored by 2.6 points per 100 possessions. Not exactly a “dominant” showing.

All dependant on the 5th player. That lineup got slapped with Lopez at -28 points/100, but was +6 points/100 when they matched with Portis. Pretty easy to predict what they'll be when matched with Turner.

[drdrG]

Dunno. I’ll wait to see them outside of a handful of games in nba garbage time where half the teams are actively tanking. Lest I be one of the dudes who bought into Ramon Session or Dan Gadzuric as 20/20 guys.

I can see that 4-man lineup played 74 minutes against the pacers in round 1 and was outscored by 2.6 points per 100 possessions. Not exactly a “dominant” showing.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?slug=advanced&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Playoffs&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=4

I don’t think AJ is the problem with that lineup. The problem is playing 3 guards who are all just aight. Play two of them and a good wing and you have something.

I wonder what this lineup looks like if you replace GTJ or AJG with Rollins.

I think Rollins projects as the best player of the three. He's got more on-ball potential and has great defensive metrics already with upside

All true, but he's not nearly the shooter.

Agreed, yet he shoots it sneakily well from deep too. The tradeoff of having another guy on the floor who can get to the rim and beat his man off the dribble could be worth it. I'd like to see it

[midranger]

Then why is the Giannis, GTJ, Green, KPJ lineup so dominant?

Dunno. I’ll wait to see them outside of a handful of games in nba garbage time where half the teams are actively tanking. Lest I be one of the dudes who bought into Ramon Session or Dan Gadzuric as 20/20 guys.

I can see that 4-man lineup played 74 minutes against the pacers in round 1 and was outscored by 2.6 points per 100 possessions. Not exactly a “dominant” showing.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?slug=advanced&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Playoffs&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=4

I don’t think AJ is the problem with that lineup. The problem is playing 3 guards who are all just aight. Play two of them and a good wing and you have something.

I wonder what this lineup looks like if you replace GTJ or AJG with Rollins.

I think Rollins projects as the best player of the three. He's got more on-ball potential and has great defensive metrics already with upside

I agree that Rollins has the best upside on the team currently.