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[Baddy Chuck]

I SAID THAT HAVE NO VALUE COMPARED TO PLAYERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN.

Again, stupid.

[blazza18]

Hahaha this magic thing we're Giannis learns to shoot. Can't wait for that

[Prez]

Really? and where exactly Embiid got his talent proven like Giannis did so far? In his dreams or because he is an extremely overhyped twitter guy ?

This notion of Embiid being on Giannis level has far sailed ever since Giannis took it to another level last year after ASB.

It is also the reason why i dislike Sixers fans as they extremely overhype him without having any feat to back it up .
I told you and the rest before, stop with humble portrait, we got the best young player in the NBA that is making history at the age and is 1 year younger than Embiid.

Giannis literally is better than any aspect of the game and even in those limited minutes Embiid wasn't near compared to Giannis whole season and even if Embiid had 8 % more USG than Giannis who is the primary ball handler for the team.


YOu're ok for overhyping Embiid but you go humble mode on Giannis, it makes no sense.

I have literally called Giannis a top 10 player and the #1 asset in the entire league, and regularly defend him on other boards. Stop with this bull**** that I'm against Giannis or something. I'm just not a Giannis fanboy and can acknowledge other talent and other talented teams when I see it.

I'm not even gonna get into this with you, it's utterly pointless trying to talk anything Giannis-related with you. Again, the general consensus is that the only thing stopping Embiid from being a best-in-the-world caliber talent is health. Go ask any unbiased fanbase, on the GB or PC board how close Giannis and Embiid are as talents if you were guaranteed Embiid is healthy.

Just because you defend him about other stuff doesn't mean your opinion about Embiid is right.Nobody said you're against with the over dramatic crap. I asked you to prove me with FEAT where exactly Embiid is near Giannis .

Ahh as isee, resorting to same **** about being fanboy when right now in twitter reddit and majority are saying the exactly same thing, where people are ranking the Bucks roster higher than sixers, heck even Minny.
I never said Embiid isnt talented but there is a huge difference of being talented player and best in the world level as you claim him to be. THERE IS ZERO credibility in that and you base that exactly like most 76ers based it on hype from media and twitter crap which made him extremely popular .


Have you even looked outside RealGM and insidehoops to see how people are talking about Giannis?
YOu literally had Superstars salivating over Giannis, every god damn great player and coach praises him even ESPN was arguing about him being the best player and Embiid wasnt even in the discussion. Zack Lowe with T mac podcast said that he is better than AD,Wiggins,KAT ,EMBIID and is a multiple MVP.
BIll Simmon said this like 10 million times this year along with KD interview where he praises Giannis and how good he is.
Greg popovich had high praises for him and so on.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/search?q=Giannis&sort=top&restrict_sr=on&t=year


Here are the topics about Giannis in the past year in the /r NBA alone and these are 80% made by non Bucks fans, have you ever tried to read em ? Are thos Greek fanboys as well when they hype Giannis more than i am at some point ?

Please, stop with the fake humble BS,its way too obvious.

Nope. Not getting baited into this again. I'll say this. Throw this exact thread on the GB, PC board, etc and see what you get: "What is the talent gap between Giannis and a *guaranteed healthy* Embiid?"

Spoiler:

You're not gonna like the responses you'll get.

[Magic Giannison]

Giannis is a phenomenal talent but I'm not sure he could have single handidly turned that Sixers team into a respectable team like Embiid did. Yea it was for only 33 games but the guy had immediate elite star impact the moment he stepped on the court.

LOL, for 31 games he made Sixers respectable ? They went 20-11 and the majority of wins came against lottery teams like BRK,DEN,DET, NOP and Minny.

The only teams the won that are good are us and Torronto and Clippers ?

In the first 20 games Sixers had 4 wins, 4!


If you want statistics then Giannis shat on Embiid on every aspect of the game besides Blocks and 3 point %.
Embiid
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01.html

Giannis
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/antetgi01.html


And you're saying that Giannis couldnt when he carried us to 6ht seed with injuries and playoffs? WITH 2 Rookies starting ? For real ?

[Magic Giannison]

I have literally called Giannis a top 10 player and the #1 asset in the entire league, and regularly defend him on other boards. Stop with this bull**** that I'm against Giannis or something. I'm just not a Giannis fanboy and can acknowledge other talent and other talented teams when I see it.

I'm not even gonna get into this with you, it's utterly pointless trying to talk anything Giannis-related with you. Again, the general consensus is that the only thing stopping Embiid from being a best-in-the-world caliber talent is health. Go ask any unbiased fanbase, on the GB or PC board how close Giannis and Embiid are as talents if you were guaranteed Embiid is healthy.

Just because you defend him about other stuff doesn't mean your opinion about Embiid is right.Nobody said you're against with the over dramatic crap. I asked you to prove me with FEAT where exactly Embiid is near Giannis .

Ahh as isee, resorting to same **** about being fanboy when right now in twitter reddit and majority are saying the exactly same thing, where people are ranking the Bucks roster higher than sixers, heck even Minny.
I never said Embiid isnt talented but there is a huge difference of being talented player and best in the world level as you claim him to be. THERE IS ZERO credibility in that and you base that exactly like most 76ers based it on hype from media and twitter crap which made him extremely popular .


Have you even looked outside RealGM and insidehoops to see how people are talking about Giannis?
YOu literally had Superstars salivating over Giannis, every god damn great player and coach praises him even ESPN was arguing about him being the best player and Embiid wasnt even in the discussion. Zack Lowe with T mac podcast said that he is better than AD,Wiggins,KAT ,EMBIID and is a multiple MVP.
BIll Simmon said this like 10 million times this year along with KD interview where he praises Giannis and how good he is.
Greg popovich had high praises for him and so on.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/search?q=Giannis&sort=top&restrict_sr=on&t=year


Here are the topics about Giannis in the past year in the /r NBA alone and these are 80% made by non Bucks fans, have you ever tried to read em ? Are thos Greek fanboys as well when they hype Giannis more than i am at some point ?

Please, stop with the fake humble BS,its way too obvious.

Nope. Not taking the bait. I'll say this. Throw this exact thread on the GB, PC board, etc and see what you get: "what is the talent gap between Giannis and a *guaranteed healthy* Embiid"

I gave you the source of THOUSANDS of people from hundred of topics giving their opinion on Giannis and you bring me GB and PC where there are people calling Giannis borderline ALL NBA player and you want me to take serious those people ? REALLY?

[Prez]

Just because you defend him about other stuff doesn't mean your opinion about Embiid is right.Nobody said you're against with the over dramatic crap. I asked you to prove me with FEAT where exactly Embiid is near Giannis .

Ahh as isee, resorting to same **** about being fanboy when right now in twitter reddit and majority are saying the exactly same thing, where people are ranking the Bucks roster higher than sixers, heck even Minny.
I never said Embiid isnt talented but there is a huge difference of being talented player and best in the world level as you claim him to be. THERE IS ZERO credibility in that and you base that exactly like most 76ers based it on hype from media and twitter crap which made him extremely popular .


Have you even looked outside RealGM and insidehoops to see how people are talking about Giannis?
YOu literally had Superstars salivating over Giannis, every god damn great player and coach praises him even ESPN was arguing about him being the best player and Embiid wasnt even in the discussion. Zack Lowe with T mac podcast said that he is better than AD,Wiggins,KAT ,EMBIID and is a multiple MVP.
BIll Simmon said this like 10 million times this year along with KD interview where he praises Giannis and how good he is.
Greg popovich had high praises for him and so on.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/search?q=Giannis&sort=top&restrict_sr=on&t=year


Here are the topics about Giannis in the past year in the /r NBA alone and these are 80% made by non Bucks fans, have you ever tried to read em ? Are thos Greek fanboys as well when they hype Giannis more than i am at some point ?

Please, stop with the fake humble BS,its way too obvious.

Nope. Not taking the bait. I'll say this. Throw this exact thread on the GB, PC board, etc and see what you get: "what is the talent gap between Giannis and a *guaranteed healthy* Embiid"

I gave you the source of THOUSANDS of people from hundred of topics giving their opinion on Giannis and you bring me GB and PC where there are people calling Giannis borderline ALL NBA player and you want me to take serious those people ? REALLY?

Your sources are utterly meaningless here because all they're doing is talking up Giannis. No **** Giannis is awesome, no one is disputing that and that's not what we're arguing at all. I'm talking specifically comparing Giannis to a 100% healthy Embiid as talents.

[GFreak34]

I SAID THAT HAVE NO VALUE COMPARED TO PLAYERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN.

Again, stupid.

again, here you go

Watch on YouTube

;t=165s

gotta to bail.. cya expert

[Pachinko_]

Giannis is a phenomenal talent but I'm not sure he could have single handidly turned that Sixers team into a respectable team like Embiid did. Yea it was for only 33 games but the guy had immediate elite star impact the moment he stepped on the court.

LOL, for 31 games he made Sixers respectable ? They went 20-11 and the majority of wins came against lottery teams like BRK,DEN,DET, NOP and Minny.

They really shat on us to be honest, in MKE, if you remember that game.
Embiid had 22 points, 13rbs and 5 blocks, a couple of which on Giannis.
The other starters were Covington, Rodriguez, Stauskas and Ilyasova LOL

[Baddy Chuck]

I SAID THAT HAVE NO VALUE COMPARED TO PLAYERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN.

Again, stupid.

again, here you go

Watch on YouTube

;t=165s

gotta to bail.. cya expert

How many of those guys would argue that an unproven player couldn't have as much or even more value than a proven player? None is the answer.

Literally every single season we see what you're arguing can't happen happen, all the way up to the upper echelon of players.

What you're basically saying is Ben Simmons has less value than Monroe because he's never played in the NBA. Jesus christ man...........

[blazza18]

So a 28 win team had 20 wins in 31 games with Embiid. Damn.

How many did superstar Giannis carry the Bucks to before Middleton returned?

[3Diamantidis]

So a 28 win team had 20 wins in 31 games with Embiid. Damn.

How many did superstar Giannis carry the Bucks to before Middleton returned?

Giannis got you into the playoffs and made the series with raptors competitive.
If Giannis was the one who got injured for half the season what your record would look like?

[Magic Giannison]

Nope. Not taking the bait. I'll say this. Throw this exact thread on the GB, PC board, etc and see what you get: "what is the talent gap between Giannis and a *guaranteed healthy* Embiid"

I gave you the source of THOUSANDS of people from hundred of topics giving their opinion on Giannis and you bring me GB and PC where there are people calling Giannis borderline ALL NBA player and you want me to take serious those people ? REALLY?

Your sources are utterly meaningless here because all they're doing is talking up Giannis. No **** Giannis is awesome, no one is disputing that and that's not what we're arguing at all. I'm talking specifically comparing Giannis to a 100% healthy Embiid.

They are not talking only about Giannis, the link i gave shows Giannis in the discussion, there are TONS of topics talking about Giannis vs other Talents, comparisons, rankings and so on.

One of the tons example is this thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5wch0f/my_5_tiers_of_nba_stars/

As you can see Giannis is considered by many to be in the top tier lists while Embiid Jokic Porzingis and so on are on the "guys that can be all stars one day"
This wasnt made by Bucks fan, not by me but by random people that barely even watch us.

here is a random example by a heat fan saying that Giannis is doing better than Lebron and MJ .




And you're telling me im overhypping him and all that when you seem to have no clue what people think of him outside this board?
Come on man,just make some effort.

[Frank Nova]

This thread sure escalated quickly.

[Prez]

I gave you the source of THOUSANDS of people from hundred of topics giving their opinion on Giannis and you bring me GB and PC where there are people calling Giannis borderline ALL NBA player and you want me to take serious those people ? REALLY?

Your sources are utterly meaningless here because all they're doing is talking up Giannis. No **** Giannis is awesome, no one is disputing that and that's not what we're arguing at all. I'm talking specifically comparing Giannis to a 100% healthy Embiid.

They are not talking only about Giannis, the link i gave shows Giannis in the discussion, there are TONS of topics talking about Giannis vs other Talents, comparisons, rankings and so on.

One of the tons example is this thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5wch0f/my_5_tiers_of_nba_stars/

As you can see Giannis is considered by many to be in the top tier lists while Embiid Jokic Porzingis and so on are on the "guys that can be all stars one day"
This wasnt made by Bucks fan, not by me but by random people that barely even watch us.

here is a random example by a heat fan saying that Giannis is doing better than Lebron and MJ .

[img]https://image.prntscr.com/image/LNWbwmOdSdqn6C33HwhMNA.jpeg[/img


And you're telling me im overhypping him and all that when you seem to have no clue what people think of him outside this board?
Come on man,just make some effort.

Literally the only reason Embiid isn't at the top of all those lists or at worst 2nd is because of health. Which is the whole point of the discussion, to discuss how they stack up purely as talents if we were to guarantee Embiid's health.

Again, post the thread topic I mentioned earlier if you want opinions relevant to what we're discussing here specifically. It'll work out for you about as well as that Middleton thread did.

[Magic Giannison]

Giannis is a phenomenal talent but I'm not sure he could have single handidly turned that Sixers team into a respectable team like Embiid did. Yea it was for only 33 games but the guy had immediate elite star impact the moment he stepped on the court.

LOL, for 31 games he made Sixers respectable ? They went 20-11 and the majority of wins came against lottery teams like BRK,DEN,DET, NOP and Minny.

They really shat on us to be honest, in MKE, if you remember that game.
Embiid had 22 points, 13rbs and 5 blocks, a couple of which on Giannis.
The other starters were Covington, Rodriguez, Stauskas and Ilyasova LOL

yeah it was during our losing streak, so? I already included that the only teams they won that are good are us toronto and clippers.

Embiid during only 31 games he had only WS of 1.9.
Giannis for the WHOLE season even with the slump had a 2.1.

Yeah because our starets of Plumlee/Hawes/Random Center , Delly, Brogdon are better right ?

[blazza18]

So a 28 win team had 20 wins in 31 games with Embiid. Damn.

How many did superstar Giannis carry the Bucks to before Middleton returned?

Giannis got you into the playoffs and made the series with raptors competitive.
If Giannis was the one who got injured for half the season what your record would look like?

Probably a few games under .500 like usual. We beat the Spurs and were very competitive against a good Wizards team without him.

[3Diamantidis]

A healthy embiid is the 2nd best center in the league(1st is already Jokic).
Giannis is the 4th best small forward in the league.
In terms of impact, embiid is more crucial to the sixers.
Saric was amazing, covinton was very useful, ilyasova had his moments...and that was it.
When the sixers core mature more(with simmons, fultz and all) we will be more certain. Embiid was expected to be the main man even after his injuries. In bucks case, Giannis wasn't called messiah or something similar. He was handed the reigns this season but still he had to prove that he was better than parker or middleton.
Now that he made it, we will see how far away he can take this team.
I'm very optimistic and i have no reason to hide it.

I feel that no matter how good guys like jokic, embiid, towns are, they are still position players(centers).
With Giannis you will never be able to say that SF is his position. Or "point center" or "point forward". He can do it all at a decent rate.
Embiid or Towns can't set up an offense or guard the perimeter. That's not a knock on them. It's not their job, it's not their position.

[3Diamantidis]

So a 28 win team had 20 wins in 31 games with Embiid. Damn.

How many did superstar Giannis carry the Bucks to before Middleton returned?

Giannis got you into the playoffs and made the series with raptors competitive.
If Giannis was the one who got injured for half the season what your record would look like?

Probably a few games under .500 like usual. We beat the Spurs and were very competitive against a good Wizards team without him.

Out of 82 games you can mention the spurs game as a win and a good home performance against the wizzards(that ended up in a loss).
Giannis had 9 bad games(for his standards) this season.
(mavs, pelicans, cavaliers, bulls, hawks(x2), jazz, spurs(last quarter), nuggets). Maybe one more that i can't think now.
That's 10 bad games(again...for HIS standards) out of 82.
I respect your opinion but you would not win more than 20 games.

[hege53190]

I love other teams playing chess while the Bucks play checkers.

And lately the Bucks latest moves aren't even checkers. It is more like giving a blind kid a stick telling him to stand in the corner and hit the wall.

But when you have been **** all over yourself for the better part of 3 years you really need to promote the intern to your highest **** office because he has been so instrumental to you **** all over yourself for the better part of the last 3 years.

[Magic Giannison]

Your sources are utterly meaningless here because all they're doing is talking up Giannis. No **** Giannis is awesome, no one is disputing that and that's not what we're arguing at all. I'm talking specifically comparing Giannis to a 100% healthy Embiid.

They are not talking only about Giannis, the link i gave shows Giannis in the discussion, there are TONS of topics talking about Giannis vs other Talents, comparisons, rankings and so on.

One of the tons example is this thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5wch0f/my_5_tiers_of_nba_stars/

As you can see Giannis is considered by many to be in the top tier lists while Embiid Jokic Porzingis and so on are on the "guys that can be all stars one day"
This wasnt made by Bucks fan, not by me but by random people that barely even watch us.

here is a random example by a heat fan saying that Giannis is doing better than Lebron and MJ .




And you're telling me im overhypping him and all that when you seem to have no clue what people think of him outside this board?
Come on man,just make some effort.

Literally the only reason Embiid isn't at the top of all those lists or at worst 2nd is because of health. Which is the whole point of the discussion, to discuss how they stack up purely as talents if we were to guarantee Embiid's health.

Again, post the thread topic I mentioned earlier if you want opinions relevant to what we're discussing here specifically. It'll work out for you about as well as that Middleton thread did.

Whatt ? Again you expose yourself by saying that.
There are topics of people comparing Embiid wot KAT and KAT destroys him, on projected skills.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/4ukq7t/which_skills_does_embiid_project_to_be_better_at/

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5zjlgc/who_would_you_rather_have_joel_embiid_or_dario/
Sixers fan himself saying that Embiid is top 5 in HIS position of healthy.In a topic about EMBIID vs Dario Freaking Saric.

In same thread people calling delusional who thinks eh will be a superstar is he is healthy.

There are even people taking Simmons over embiid with a perfectly healthy embiid.


As for the Middleton thread it didnt work out as you hoped or said,far from it,, most said he had great start and then went to **** and was bad on playoffs while you said he was the reason to spark the team run which nobody agrees to be fair.
All of that while taking the context that he came off an injury.