Bucks ownership: Lowe/Windhorst ESPN piece pg 5

[Iheartfootball]

We will have our usual social media drama today where a crew of folks will say "nothing to see here" or "It's all good"

Sure, things can work out well. Bucks even likely win 50 games next year. But in the end, we all know this situation isn't optimal just as what was going on during LeBron's first stint in Cleveland wasn't optimal.

To win in the NBA you've got to not only be lucky but also outsmarting 90% of the other teams. We aren't set up to do that right now.

Exactly. Do you hear of this sort of dysfunction in sustainable championship organizations? Spurs, Warriors, Packers, Patriots? You have to be focused from top to bottom in order to instill and maintain a winning culture. So much has to go right to win at this level. Talent and luck can take you far but intelligent decisions void of emotion are important too.

[emunney]

We will have our usual social media drama today where the group think will bitch and bellyache about every perceived error of the past decade or so, and dismiss every positive move of the past decade or so.

FTFY

When was the last time you made a post about basketball?

[paulpressey25]

For the few guys left out there bashing RGM or SOB I'd continue to point out the Bucks record. You're not even defending a team the quality of the 2011-2016 Atlanta Hawks right now.

[midranger]

We will have our usual social media drama today where the group think will bitch and bellyache about every perceived error of the past decade or so, and dismiss every positive move of the past decade or so.

FTFY

When was the last time you made a post about basketball?

Before dad changed the agenda.

[Wooderson]

Horsts salary *only* starts at 500k? That's gotta be the lowest in the league right?

[SirChurros]

Look on the bright side: All of this is going on and the Bucks still aren't as big of a joke as the Kings or Knicks.

And we're still closer to putting together a winner than the Sixers are.

[BadWolf]

I might not understand all this, but isn't it good that they try to make decisions together, and not try to over-vote one another?

[paulpressey25]

Horsts salary *only* starts at 500k? That's gotta be the lowest in the league right?

If you're Horst, you just got the greatest opportunity in the world and $1.5mm guaranteed.

Horst is a good guy. Don't fault him in any of this. But this is classic Kohl where he would be locked into an expensive coach and go cheap on the GM since the GM wasn't getting full power anyways.

[M-C-G]

Look on the bright side: All of this is going on and the Bucks still aren't as big of a joke as the Kings or Knicks.

And we're still closer to putting together a winner than the Sixers are.

I agree, but I kind of like what the Kings have done. I like there draft a lot

PG: Fox, Mason
SG: Hield, Malachai, Temple
SF: Justin Jackson
PF: Skal, Giles
C: WCS, Papa Giannis, Koufos

They have money to go after some FA or sit tight and try to take on cap for future picks and get a high pick in next years draft. Feels like at least they have a plan now.

[DingleJerry]

Look on the bright side: All of this is going on and the Bucks still aren't as big of a joke as the Kings or Knicks.

And we're still closer to putting together a winner than the Sixers are.

I agree, but I kind of like what the Kings have done. I like there draft a lot

PG: Fox, Mason
SG: Hield, Malachai, Temple
SF: Justin Jackson
PF: Skal, Giles
C: WCS, Papa Giannis, Koufos

They have money to go after some FA or sit tight and try to take on cap for future picks and get a high pick in next years draft. Feels like at least they have a plan now.

Now that's a young stable of talent and potential. I'm sure they'll F it all up since they're the Kings though, and of course they don't have a superstar like Giannis yet.

[SirChurros]

Look on the bright side: All of this is going on and the Bucks still aren't as big of a joke as the Kings or Knicks.

And we're still closer to putting together a winner than the Sixers are.

I agree, but I kind of like what the Kings have done. I like there draft a lot

PG: Fox, Mason
SG: Hield, Malachai, Temple
SF: Justin Jackson
PF: Skal, Giles
C: WCS, Papa Giannis, Koufos

They have money to go after some FA or sit tight and try to take on cap for future picks and get a high pick in next years draft. Feels like at least they have a plan now.

I thought they had a horrible draft outside of taking Fox. Just take Monk (a guy who played with Fox) instead of trading down for Jackson and Giles.

[Iheartfootball]

I might not understand all this, but isn't it good that they try to make decisions together, and not try to over-vote one another?

Who's accountable? Generally speaking most organizations have one person at the top who receives and reviews all the information from trusted team members before making decisions and they are accountable.

This doesn't sound like that. There is a reason the adage 'too many cooks in the kitchen' is still used and true to this day. Similar to this board. Not all of us agree so we talk about the same things in circles until we reach 100 pages and start and new thread.

[SirChurros]

I had no clue that the league had rules written in regards to situations like this. That part of the piece was really interesting.

[yoshii8]

Instead of donating to a billboard, you guys should have pooled your money and invested in a fund that took advantage of the housing crisis. Then you could have bought the Bucks. But you had to have instant gratification, didn't you?

But then we would have had to flip a coin to see who was in charge, and then you know how that ends up.

[M-C-G]

Look on the bright side: All of this is going on and the Bucks still aren't as big of a joke as the Kings or Knicks.

And we're still closer to putting together a winner than the Sixers are.

I agree, but I kind of like what the Kings have done. I like there draft a lot

PG: Fox, Mason
SG: Hield, Malachai, Temple
SF: Justin Jackson
PF: Skal, Giles
C: WCS, Papa Giannis, Koufos

They have money to go after some FA or sit tight and try to take on cap for future picks and get a high pick in next years draft. Feels like at least they have a plan now.

I thought they had a horrible draft outside of taking Fox. Just take Monk (a guy who played with Fox) instead of trading down for Jackson and Giles.

I mean, you could take Monk, but they just trade Cousins for Buddy Hield as the main chip coming back in the deal. Adding Monk to that doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I probably would have rolled the dice on a guy like OG over Jackson, but overall, I like the pieces they added. Would not be totally shocked if in 5 years Fox and Giles are two of the best players taken in this draft. Also won't be shocked if they are not, but a good roll of the dice.

[humanrefutation]

I might not understand all this, but isn't it good that they try to make decisions together, and not try to over-vote one another?

In theory, yes. However, you can see the risks of that approach when you have a legitimate disagreement. When you feel the need to reach consensus on every issue, you end up watering down the decision to whatever degree necessary in order to form that consensus. No one is particularly happy with the outcome, but no one hates it, either. But hey, at least you have consensus.

That's how you end up with guys like Horst. He wasn't the guy anyone was especially in favor of. He was the option that no one particularly advocated against. So, because everyone was like "meh, we can live with that," he got the gig.

But the frustated feelings won't go away. And Lasry will remember this when he takes over as Designated Governor in a couple years.

[bizarro]

So, let me get this straight:

There is an agreement in place whereby a simple 2-1 majority is needed to make key decisions. However, there is a wrinkle stipulating the single owner who is the Board of Governors rep has overriding veto power for a five year cycle?
So, for five years 2 of the 3 owners are really glorified voices in the room. Couple this with the juggling of a senile and antiquated basketball mind in Rod Thorn; the coaching and strategist mind of Jaon Kidd; and, now, the youngest and lowest salaried GM in the League...

I guess it leads to results like this embarassing GM search. I'm amazed they got their draft pick to the podium on time.

(Edit: Mike, i sincerely hope you have a comedic script in the works where Kidd's large-craniumed son steals Horst's phone as the Bucks are on the clock)

And, obviously (to me), it appears when you have as much money and as much entitled arrogance as this current ownership crew you can simply tell the story you want publicly. Nothing to see here.

[bizarro]

Double post

[tydett]

And Lasry will remember this when he takes over as Designated Governor in a couple years.

This is the part that seems most concerning to me. It seems we've moved from Lasry's time as leader to Edens', and if they got this petty, imagine the **** fest when Lasry takes back over in a few years. Are we going to have a team that cleans house every 3 years when the managing partner of the team changes because the two faces of ownership can't set aside their egos? That is the height of organizational disfunction and way worse than Ranadive.

[Ron Swanson]

Hopefully now that mainstream guys like Lowe and Windhorst are writing articles/speaking up about the dysfunction in the front office, that ownership perks up and takes notice on their outside and league-wide perception. I'm sure at the end of the day, neither Lasry or Edens wants to be lumped in the same category as the Dolans and Ranadives of the basketball community.