PG Memphis - Bucks Bent Over By Refs

[FrieAaron]

Or maybe some of us are fed up with this BS every night we play there is someone crying about GIannis, every damn GT in the past 2-3 years.

Last time it was his FT.

Before that it was his Jumper.

Today is t/os and a mix of his jumpers.


Next game its gonna be his vision or passing or some other crap.

Giannis is the best player on a team with high aspirations so his play will be talked about after every win and loss. I don't think that should surprise you. Also, if Giannis is going to be in the same conversation as the LeBrons of the word, he's going to be subjected to the same level of criticism. It comes with the territory my man.

Lebron was never remotely closely subjected to the crap Giannis does, not even remotely close.

LOL

[blazza18]

I don't get why people don't see the problem with Giannis in the offense refusing to take wide open jump shots. I'd imagine most of his turnovers come after he passed up a wide open shot.

I'm not sure I buy that taking open long-range shots would cure the TO problem with Giannis, but maybe you can convince me. I think it would be better if he took wide open 3s, but I don't see that warping defenses unless he started shooting lights out from 3. He's too good going to the rim- teams will always prefer him shooting outside.

Where am I wrong? Honest question.

Teams are already defending Henson has a threat to shoot a three so Giannis taking (and hopefully) making some will help. I also think because he doesn't have the jumper he's forced to literally force his way through defenders right now.

[Magic Giannison]

Solid overreaction reply

No i wanted it to be ridiculous to call out how ridiculous his take is.

I dont have the time or the energy to post how many All timers that had ZERO jumpshot Giannis is outplaying at the age 23.

its so ridiculous its almost funny.

You can post about as many all timers as you like but it still doesn't change the fact that Giannis leads the league in usage and isn't used as a centre.

Yet he scores as efficient on the rim as those Centers, one of them being PRIME ShaQ FYI.
I guess a factor of this are that we have the bigs that can shoot so there isnt much room for it, actually today we could've use it on the small ball lineup.

Im actually very surprised we didn't play Giannis with Thon at the end as the help on the rim was great and our perimeter guys were actually going after Memphis players instead of sagging.

[glenn]

Lebron can shoot 40% from the 3p line and the defender will still give him the shot.

No one just leaves LeBron unguarded. Defenders have to respect his jumper and it gives him more flexibility.

Lebron was never remotely closely subjected to the crap Giannis does, not even remotely close.

This is absolute nonsense.

[Wooderson]

Giannis is the best player on a team with high aspirations so his play will be talked about after every win and loss. I don't think that should surprise you. Also, if Giannis is going to be in the same conversation as the LeBrons of the word, he's going to be subjected to the same level of criticism. It comes with the territory my man.

A lot of the LeBron criticism was extremely dumb so I'm not sure this supports your point.

[TD75]

In any case, to close any discussion from my part.

As greekbuck34 said, Giannis will need to shoot like Curry from range in order to actually pose a dilemna to the defenses, due to his all - time great efficiency close to the basket. Until then, anyone's strategy facing Giannis is obvious. Create a zone close to the basket and help on Giannis' drives.

Would Giannis shooting in a decent rate, with decent success be better for the Bucks? Yes, of course. This does not mean though that the defenses would adapt. They would opt to still block his way to the rim instead of challenging his shot.

When teams employ this strategy it is up to the people camping the 3 point line to make their shots. If they don't we probably lose.

That is also the reason LeBron wants teams with shooters, built around him (though of course Giannis is not comparable to LeBron in terms of influence in the game).

We had issues today with shooting (and defending the pick and pop on Gason) and we lost. It is very simple.

[Wooderson]

I don't get why people don't see the problem with Giannis in the offense refusing to take wide open jump shots. I'd imagine most of his turnovers come after he passed up a wide open shot.

I'm not sure I buy that taking open long-range shots would cure the TO problem with Giannis, but maybe you can convince me. I think it would be better if he took wide open 3s, but I don't see that warping defenses unless he started shooting lights out from 3. He's too good going to the rim- teams will always prefer him shooting outside.

Where am I wrong? Honest question.

Teams are already defending Henson has a threat to shoot a three so Giannis taking (and hopefully) making some will help. I also think because he doesn't have the jumper he's forced to literally force his way through defenders right now.

If Henson could attack the paint like Giannis they sure as hell wouldn't be defending him that way.

[GB_Packers]

Man, we really don’t have much to complain about anymore when Giannis shooting more long range is all there really is. So much progress made in just 14 games of Bud ball.


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[thomchatt3rton]

I don't get why people don't see the problem with Giannis in the offense refusing to take wide open jump shots. I'd imagine most of his turnovers come after he passed up a wide open shot.

I'm not sure I buy that taking open long-range shots would cure the TO problem with Giannis,

If he takes a wide open three he isn't running into collapsing defenses and forcing bad shots or passes. One result is zero turnovers, the other is possible turnovers.

Convinced?

By this response? No.

[Magic Giannison]

Giannis is the best player on a team with high aspirations so his play will be talked about after every win and loss. I don't think that should surprise you. Also, if Giannis is going to be in the same conversation as the LeBrons of the word, he's going to be subjected to the same level of criticism. It comes with the territory my man.

Lebron was never remotely closely subjected to the crap Giannis does, not even remotely close.

LOL

Again, Lebron was never subjected to him getting nitpicked every god damn game for 2-3 years about his shooting or fts or tunrovers at cavs while he was scoring 30s and winning MVP with the Cavs because they knew their team had other problems to focus on than to **** on lebrons shooting.

Literally no fanbase ive seen are crapping on their superstar this much.

[Wooderson]

Man, we really don’t have much to complain about anymore when Giannis shooting more long range is all there really is. So much progress made in just 14 games of Bud ball.


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The funny thing is we lost this game because the guys actually paid to shoot couldn't hit a thing. And the poor defense for 80% of the game.

[yannisk]

If the Greek Defense Leauge didn’t feel the need to litigate every post on the subject it might not end up taking up so many pages of the post game threads.

Or maybe some of us are fed up with this BS every night we play there is someone crying about GIannis, every damn GT in the past 2-3 years.

Last time it was his FT.

Before that it was his Jumper.

Today is t/os and a mix of his jumpers.


Next game its gonna be his vision or passing or some other crap.

Giannis in year 6 and he's still made minimal progress as a shooter and is averaging *five* turnovers per game.

EVERYONE on this board loves Giannis - that doesn't mean people can't call out obvious flaws in his game. If you're fed up with that, that's more of a you problem honestly.

after this game if we had won, would anybody be discussing about Giannis? maybe whether he was the man of the match or not. The talk today is because we lost and we have to find a scapegoat. Giannis today was good at least compared to the rest of the team.

That he is a bad shooter we all now. Should it be our second phrase in every subject?

[Magic Giannison]

I don't get why people don't see the problem with Giannis in the offense refusing to take wide open jump shots. I'd imagine most of his turnovers come after he passed up a wide open shot.

I'm not sure I buy that taking open long-range shots would cure the TO problem with Giannis, but maybe you can convince me. I think it would be better if he took wide open 3s, but I don't see that warping defenses unless he started shooting lights out from 3. He's too good going to the rim- teams will always prefer him shooting outside.

Where am I wrong? Honest question.

Teams are already defending Henson has a threat to shoot a three so Giannis taking (and hopefully) making some will help. I also think because he doesn't have the jumper he's forced to literally force his way through defenders right now.

The reason they do that because Henson this season is more of a threat at shooting 3s than scoring in the paint...

[GB_Packers]

Man, we really don’t have much to complain about anymore when Giannis shooting more long range is all there really is. So much progress made in just 14 games of Bud ball.


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The funny thing is we lost this game because the guys actually paid to shoot couldn't hit a thing. And the poor defense for 80% of the game.

And still managed just a three point loss. It’s been said a lot already but a night like this last year? Probably a 20 point loss. Not that it excuses tonight but massive progress has already been made with this team.


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[Prez]

Lebron was never remotely closely subjected to the crap Giannis does, not even remotely close.

LOL

Again, Lebron was never subjected to him getting nitpicked every god damn game for 2-3 years about his shooting or fts or tunrovers at cavs while he was scoring 30s and winning MVP with the Cavs because they knew their team had other problems to focus on than to **** on lebrons shooting.

Literally no fanbase ive seen are crapping on their superstar this much.

Are you being serious right now?

LeBron is one of the most, if not THE most nitpicked, ridiculously scrutinized player in the history of basketball.

[Magic Giannison]

James freaking Harden and Russel westbrook won MVPS with more same or more tunrovers than Giannis while playing zero of his defense.

Tell me all you want about Hardens shooting and drawing foul but you cant convince Westbrook done anything better than Giannis bar passing.

[TroyD92]

Lebron was never remotely closely subjected to the crap Giannis does, not even remotely close.

LOL

Again, Lebron was never subjected to him getting nitpicked every god damn game for 2-3 years about his shooting or fts or tunrovers at cavs while he was scoring 30s and winning MVP with the Cavs because they knew their team had other problems to focus on than to **** on lebrons shooting.

Literally no fanbase ive seen are crapping on their superstar this much.

Why do people even bother discussing things with you? You're completely off base 90% of the time whenever it comes to Giannis and your perception of peoples perceptions.

[jmart762]

Bud was recruited in hs by Popp but then didn't play for him.

Also very cool, he played and coached club ball in Denmark. I played a lil lower level club ball when I studied abroad over there so that's a cool connection. I wonder what club he played at and if i played them.

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[ReasonablySober]

I'm not sure I buy that taking open long-range shots would cure the TO problem with Giannis,

If he takes a wide open three he isn't running into collapsing defenses and forcing bad shots or passes. One result is zero turnovers, the other is possible turnovers.

Convinced?

By this response? No.

How can he commit a turnover if he's taking a shot?

[yannisk]

Lebron was never remotely closely subjected to the crap Giannis does, not even remotely close.

LOL

Again, Lebron was never subjected to him getting nitpicked every god damn game for 2-3 years about his shooting or fts or tunrovers at cavs while he was scoring 30s and winning MVP with the Cavs because they knew their team had other problems to focus on than to **** on lebrons shooting.

Literally no fanbase ive seen are crapping on their superstar this much.

I think the fanbase never had a very good player and they don't know had to handle it. Is anybody around from when Kareem was here?