Bucks sign Forbes!

[higharc]

I'm not saying it should be our default 2nd unit backcourt, but that we will see sporadic such lineups.

Granted, I should have written "definitely sometimes see it".

[buckboy]

Thanks, Grey, helpful perspective. Very helpful.

I read this as "Thanks, Gery, helpful perspective." and thought that can't be right.

[buckboy]

is it Brin or Brian?

Brin

[tedbrogen]

Augustine and Forbes will definitely play together in 2nd units. And we will be fine because 2nd units just need to keep the point difference while the starters rest.

But the big thing is that we can always plug him in the game when we need a bucket to unlock us from an offensive slump. Same as we did with Corver, but better (not because he is a career better shooter but because Bucks Kyle was so old).

Agreed on the second point. Korver definitely was no longer elite coming off screens. He was just not quick enough to get around the screen and get fully set up to consistently be a threat. He was still elite when left wide open but that's all he was for the Bucks, a guy that could bury wide open threes. Give those screen plays to Forbes and the team has a way to really stress the defense. The Heat just made the finals by running a couple great shooters around screens forcing defenses to over-react to protect against that which lead to tons of easy looks for everyone else.

[tedbrogen]

Think we'd all love a lineup of 5 guys who can defend, pass, and shoot above 36% on 3's. Absent that luxury, Forbes is a guy you can mix and match when you go small. Putting him in Holiday/DDV/Middleton/Giannis lineups loses you next to nothing defensively. This is also why I'm not a fan of overpaying one-dimensional 3PT flame-thrower types when you can dig up guys like Forbes on the minimum. Let other teams break the bank for Joe Harris and Davis Bertans when I can get the 80% version of them for free just because he's 6 inches shorter.

Another factor in this is if you break the bank for Harris or Bertans, it's a lot harder to bench them if they are getting destroyed on defense. Teams are still going to attack those types of players. If Forbes is getting beat so bad it is compromising the entire defense, it's easy to pull him for someone else. That becomes a lot more difficult when it's a highly paid guy. We saw that with Bledsoe.

[coolhandluke121]

After watching his highlights, I see a slightly shorter Gary Neal. He plays and even shoots at the exact same speed and has the same body. That's not a bad thing at all for what they paid.

[drone3]

Bryn looking a little like Curry in this one, check DTB's vivid description.

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[Pachinko_]

I can see how he can annoy you as an opponent

[ShootingtheJ]

Forbes is a rich man's Matt Thomas. I'm looking forward to seeing him come off the bench and fire away.

I'd rather have Matt Thomas.

Merrill will eventually displace Forbes.

[paulpressey25]

Agreed on the second point. Korver definitely was no longer elite coming off screens. He was just not quick enough to get around the screen and get fully set up to consistently be a threat.

Agree 100% with this on Korver. Also agree with your second post on pricetag. I have no idea what the Wizards were thinking in paying Bertans all that money. Compare what we paid Lopez, who can actually defend and provide interior scoring. It was 2016 all over again, with 7th to 10th men getting paid big.

[buckboy]

After watching his highlights, I see a slightly shorter Gary Neal. He plays and even shoots at the exact same speed and has the same body. That's not a bad thing at all for what they paid.

Better shooter on way higher 3 point volume. Which is the most important thing for this team.

I like this signing a lot. Especially at the minuscule price.

[coolhandluke121]

After watching his highlights, I see a slightly shorter Gary Neal. He plays and even shoots at the exact same speed and has the same body. That's not a bad thing at all for what they paid.

Better shooter on way higher 3 point volume. Which is the most important thing for this team.

I like this signing a lot. Especially at the minuscule price.

Define "way higher"? In the same mpg, he has 4.1 attempts per game and Neal had 3.4, mostly before the 3-pointer completely exploded. 38.2% vs. 40% isn't that big of a difference. That difference is probably well within each player's standard deviation from year to year.

Most importantly, they probably both stink at just about everything else. Wes was a far superior player. I'm glad they signed Forbes as a specialist, but like Augustin he probably causes just as many problems as he solves, if not more. Big downgrade from Hill and Wes, unfortunately.

[Ron Swanson]

He's a better pure shooter than Wes and I'm not sure it's even debatable. Obviously nowhere near the defender, but Wes shooting off the bounce is largely a disaster that you want to avoid. Forbes can pull-up and come off screens to get clean, efficient looks. He's more than just a catch and shoot guy.

[agiaco]

He's a better pure shooter than Wes and I'm not sure it's even debatable. Obviously nowhere near the defender, but Wes shooting off the bounce is largely a disaster that you want to avoid. Forbes can pull-up and come off screens to get clean, efficient looks. He's more than just a catch and shoot guy.

Wes was overrated for the role he had with the Bucks. Think Forbes will be a nice addition.

[Ruzious]

Agreed on the second point. Korver definitely was no longer elite coming off screens. He was just not quick enough to get around the screen and get fully set up to consistently be a threat.

Agree 100% with this on Korver. Also agree with your second post on pricetag. I have no idea what the Wizards were thinking in paying Bertans all that money. Compare what we paid Lopez, who can actually defend and provide interior scoring. It was 2016 all over again, with 7th to 10th men getting paid big.

It's hard to compare Lopez to Bertans, because they're completely different players. And remember Lopez used to be considered a terrible defender before he came to Milwaukee. Bertans' value is that he's a 6'10 player that you have to guard all the way out to 30 feet on each possession. He's one of the top shooters in the world. And if you believe Washington's GM, he's a very good transition defender.

[drone3]

He's a better pure shooter than Wes and I'm not sure it's even debatable. Obviously nowhere near the defender, but Wes shooting off the bounce is largely a disaster that you want to avoid. Forbes can pull-up and come off screens to get clean, efficient looks. He's more than just a catch and shoot guy.

Wes was overrated for the role he had with the Bucks. Think Forbes will be a nice addition.

Excited to have Forbes, one of the best shooters in the league, he is also quick and can get to the rim with the right match up.

Wes was overrated on offense but he could guard 2s or 3s, versatile defender. I'm not sure if Forbes can guard anything.

[buckboy]

After watching his highlights, I see a slightly shorter Gary Neal. He plays and even shoots at the exact same speed and has the same body. That's not a bad thing at all for what they paid.

Better shooter on way higher 3 point volume. Which is the most important thing for this team.

I like this signing a lot. Especially at the minuscule price.

Define "way higher"? In the same mpg, he has 4.1 attempts per game and Neal had 3.4, mostly before the 3-pointer completely exploded. 38.2% vs. 40% isn't that big of a difference. That difference is probably well within each player's standard deviation from year to year.

Most importantly, they probably both stink at just about everything else. Wes was a far superior player. I'm glad they signed Forbes as a specialist, but like Augustin he probably causes just as many problems as he solves, if not more. Big downgrade from Hill and Wes, unfortunately.

5 and 6 3PA last 2 seasons. Significantly higher than Neal's career high.

I realize the game has changed and Neal's may well have come close had he come around 10 years later though.

I would expect Forbes to Jack up at least 10/36 minutes with Giannis Gravity. And hit at least 40% of them. That makes him valuable if he can do it.

I would expect Augustin and Forbes to be better than Hill and Matthews on offense and far worse on defense.

However, I think the defense will be as good or better with Holiday, more minutes for DDV and Craig.

[MVP2110]

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[drone3]

Bryn Forbes ranked 616th in Defensive Points Saved and 612th in Player Impact Plus-Minus.

624 players suited up in the NBA this season and he was third in minutes for San Antonio.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Bryn Forbes ranked 616th in Defensive Points Saved and 612th in Player Impact Plus-Minus.

624 players suited up in the NBA this season and he was third in minutes for San Antonio.

where did he stack up the two previous seasons?