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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#161 » by Ruzious » Mon May 10, 2021 2:19 pm

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His shot is like early Jason Kidd level, but he's a real PG unlike Turner, he's just tall. Think he'd be a great fit next to Jrue in spite of the shooting. I am always looking for guys who can run offense and see the floor.

Just wish we could see him against quality opposition - to see if his skills translate and if he's quick enough to excel in the NBA. His shot has dramatically improved during the season. A gifted natural passer.


It's odd to me that we never apply this competition caveat to NCAA players when that's clearly the worst level of competition guys get drafted out of, other than the guys who don't compete at all and take a gap year to train and maybe China, where there's no defense. IMO the NBL is not that different from many of the domestic leagues.

Not even saying you disagree with any of this, and obviously it'd be better if he were doing what he's doing now in Euroleague. I just think if we had a 6-8 freshman in the NCAA doing what he's doing, we'd be all over him, and I think he'd have done a lot better than that.

No. From everything I've read, he's playing in a very low level Euro league, and while they have older players in the league, the QUALITY OF ATHLETE there is obviously lower than upper level NCAA basketball teams. I would likely say the same thing about him in regard to prospects on US mid-majors.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#162 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Just wish we could see him against quality opposition - to see if his skills translate and if he's quick enough to excel in the NBA. His shot has dramatically improved during the season. A gifted natural passer.


It's odd to me that we never apply this competition caveat to NCAA players when that's clearly the worst level of competition guys get drafted out of, other than the guys who don't compete at all and take a gap year to train and maybe China, where there's no defense. IMO the NBL is not that different from many of the domestic leagues.

Not even saying you disagree with any of this, and obviously it'd be better if he were doing what he's doing now in Euroleague. I just think if we had a 6-8 freshman in the NCAA doing what he's doing, we'd be all over him, and I think he'd have done a lot better than that.

No. From everything I've read, he's playing in a very low level Euro league, and while they have older players in the league, the QUALITY OF ATHLETE there is obviously lower than upper level NCAA basketball teams. I would likely say the same thing about him in regard to prospects on US mid-majors.


He's playing in Australia. NBL. Same league LaMelo played in last year.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#163 » by Ruzious » Mon May 10, 2021 2:30 pm

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It's odd to me that we never apply this competition caveat to NCAA players when that's clearly the worst level of competition guys get drafted out of, other than the guys who don't compete at all and take a gap year to train and maybe China, where there's no defense. IMO the NBL is not that different from many of the domestic leagues.

Not even saying you disagree with any of this, and obviously it'd be better if he were doing what he's doing now in Euroleague. I just think if we had a 6-8 freshman in the NCAA doing what he's doing, we'd be all over him, and I think he'd have done a lot better than that.

No. From everything I've read, he's playing in a very low level Euro league, and while they have older players in the league, the QUALITY OF ATHLETE there is obviously lower than upper level NCAA basketball teams. I would likely say the same thing about him in regard to prospects on US mid-majors.


He's playing in Australia. NBL. Same league LaMelo played in last year.

Yes, I realize that.
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Post#164 » by Ruzious » Mon May 10, 2021 2:31 pm

The athletes are better at US majors, and it's his athleticism that I question.
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Post#165 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 2:31 pm

Ayayi plays for Gonzaga. How many guys on the Pepperdine roster will play pro anywhere?
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#166 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 2:32 pm

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Ruzious wrote:No. From everything I've read, he's playing in a very low level Euro league, and while they have older players in the league, the QUALITY OF ATHLETE there is obviously lower than upper level NCAA basketball teams. I would likely say the same thing about him in regard to prospects on US mid-majors.


He's playing in Australia. NBL. Same league LaMelo played in last year.

Yes, I realize that.


Gotcha. In that case: Australia's not in Europe.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#167 » by Ruzious » Mon May 10, 2021 2:33 pm

Ruzious wrote:The athletes are better at US majors, and it's his athleticism that I question.

How many times do I have to say this?
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#168 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm

Ruzious wrote:The athletes are better at US majors, and it's his athleticism that I question.


Still think this is dubious. Plenty of former high major guys in the NBL.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#169 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 2:37 pm

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Ruzious wrote:The athletes are better at US majors, and it's his athleticism that I question.

How many times do I have to say this?


How many times do I have to imply that you don't know what you're talking about until you get it?
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#170 » by Ruzious » Mon May 10, 2021 2:43 pm

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Ruzious wrote:The athletes are better at US majors, and it's his athleticism that I question.


Still think this is dubious. Plenty of former high major guys in the NBL.

Regardless................ I think he's a unique player with unusual skills who I'd need to see against better competition before making a determination.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#171 » by Ruzious » Mon May 10, 2021 2:44 pm

emunney wrote:
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Ruzious wrote:The athletes are better at US majors, and it's his athleticism that I question.

How many times do I have to say this?


How many times do I have to imply that you don't know what you're talking about until you get it?

Wth dude?
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#172 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 2:48 pm

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Ruzious wrote:How many times do I have to say this?


How many times do I have to imply that you don't know what you're talking about until you get it?

Wth dude?


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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#173 » by Ruzious » Mon May 10, 2021 2:51 pm

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How many times do I have to imply that you don't know what you're talking about until you get it?

Wth dude?


You get what you give my man.

This is the 2nd time recently our back and forths have gone sour. How bout we both put each other on ignore?
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Post#174 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 3:02 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Wth dude?


You get what you give my man.

This is the 2nd time recently our back and forths have gone sour. How bout we both put each other on ignore?


Do what you gotta do, no hard feelings.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#175 » by SupremeHustle » Mon May 10, 2021 4:41 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:Can anyone confirm what pick they have in the second round? All the websites are different


The Bucks currently have Houston’s 2nd round pick, which is 31 overall.


Is this from the Tucker deal? If so, nice job Horst.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#176 » by emunney » Mon May 10, 2021 4:45 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:Can anyone confirm what pick they have in the second round? All the websites are different


The Bucks currently have Houston’s 2nd round pick, which is 31 overall.


Is this from the Tucker deal? If so, nice job Horst.


Yeah, they got our 1st (currently 24), we got their 2nd (31), and we gave them our 2023 1st to get our 2022 1st back. Really a minimal cost to get off Augustin's contract, which Larry Harris never should have given out.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#177 » by SupremeHustle » Mon May 10, 2021 4:47 pm

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The Bucks currently have Houston’s 2nd round pick, which is 31 overall.


Is this from the Tucker deal? If so, nice job Horst.


Yeah, they got our 1st (currently 25), we got their 2nd (31), and we gave them our 2023 1st to get our 2022 1st back. Really a minimal cost to get off Augustin's contract, which Larry Harris never should have given out.


I was initially way too harsh on that deal because I thought Tucker was cooked. But seeing it laid out like that, yeah, that's some solid GM'ing.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Scouting 

Post#178 » by midranger » Mon May 10, 2021 5:50 pm

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The Bucks currently have Houston’s 2nd round pick, which is 31 overall.


Is this from the Tucker deal? If so, nice job Horst.


Yeah, they got our 1st (currently 24), we got their 2nd (31), and we gave them our 2023 1st to get our 2022 1st back. Really a minimal cost to get off Augustin's contract, which Larry Harris never should have given out.

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Post#179 » by jakecronus8 » Tue May 11, 2021 12:04 am

Yeah that’s such a steal of a deal for Milwaukee. For some reason I was under the assumption that it was the worse of two picks we’d get back but getting a useful player in tucker and dumping Augustin at the expense of a handful of draft slots is way worth it.
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Post#180 » by emunney » Thu May 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Scottie Lewis didn't have the season I expected but I still like him. Just struck me that how similar he is to Shumpert, who I also really liked at GT as a guy who could move his feet defensively and cover a lot of ground and then do a little bit of everything offensively (a very little bit when it comes to making jumpshots unfortunately).
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