Giannis Thread - 6 Days To Go

[ABucksFan]

If he was surely "going to sign" it would have been done already. If his mind is made up, there's no sense in dragging this out, having to field the questions, having your teammates field questions, or risking severe career altering injuries in preseason games. Yet, you've got people going around, like yourself, saying, "it's not if, it's when." No, the logic there doesn't fly.

Logically, Giannis should have never needed to flag down a random citizen for a ride back to the practice center.

Well, he didn't, they flagged him down (and he was an 18 year old kid, an unknown, playing for a ball club nobody cared about, etc). Also, no, that's not how logic works, given the variables involved in that situation, (ie. snow, people being around, etc.) We KNOW the contract is on the table for him to sign, and he's not signing it.

Just imagine if the whole time it was our FO holding up the deal, playing hardball. Would be so Bucks

[crkone]

Logically, Giannis should have never needed to flag down a random citizen for a ride back to the practice center.

Well, he didn't, they flagged him down (and he was an 18 year old kid, an unknown, playing for a ball club nobody cared about, etc). Also, no, that's not how logic works, given the variables involved in that situation, (ie. snow, people being around, etc.) We KNOW the contract is on the table for him to sign, and he's not signing it.

Just imagine if the whole time it was our FO holding up the deal, playing hardball. Would be so Bucks

He could've went to them with like a 2+1 and they are waiting until the deadline to try to see if he changes his mind.

[Sigra]

Giannis is gunna sign, its about when

If he was surely "going to sign" it would have been done already. If his mind is made up, there's no sense in dragging this out, having to field the questions, having your teammates field questions, or risking severe career altering injuries in preseason games. Yet, you've got people going around, like yourself, saying, "it's not if, it's when." No, the logic there doesn't fly.

unless his limb got amputated that contract is on the table no matter whatlol

in theory he can have car accident or plane crush. he can end up in wheel chair. its stupid to not sign now. he can always ask for trade if he wants to leave.

[ABucksFan]

Well, he didn't, they flagged him down (and he was an 18 year old kid, an unknown, playing for a ball club nobody cared about, etc). Also, no, that's not how logic works, given the variables involved in that situation, (ie. snow, people being around, etc.) We KNOW the contract is on the table for him to sign, and he's not signing it.

Just imagine if the whole time it was our FO holding up the deal, playing hardball. Would be so Bucks

He could've went to them with like a 2+1 and they are waiting until the deadline to try to see if he changes his mind.

Surely...we can't be THAT incompetent? Right?.......

[DingleJerry]

Well to be fair there could easily be a scenario where there is a situation where he's willing to do a shorter deal and the Bucks want the 5 year max and that's where the negotiation is happening. So in that sense it would be the team not signing and/or holding it up.

[ABucksFan]

Well to be fair there could easily be a scenario where there is a situation where he's willing to do a shorter deal and the Bucks want the 5 year max and that's where the negotiation is happening. So in that sense it would be the team not signing and/or holding it up.

So let's risk pissing him off and walking for nothing over a couple years? You've already mortgaged the future and now you want to play a game of chicken? We can't be that incompetent....Imagine the FO coming out and saying "We wanted him to sign the max but he wanted 2+1, we waited until the last day to see if he changed his mind...but suddenly Giannis backed out? We don't know why?....."

[emunney]

I feel like more supermax deals have taken weeks-to-months to work out than have been agreed to right away. We don't know what kind of protections or details either side could be asking for, or how much back and forth is required with the league office, or really what is going on at all. We do know that the timing is not sufficient evidence that it won't happen. Absent information the timing means **** all.

[DingleJerry]

Well to be fair there could easily be a scenario where there is a situation where he's willing to do a shorter deal and the Bucks want the 5 year max and that's where the negotiation is happening. So in that sense it would be the team not signing and/or holding it up.

So let's risk pissing him off and walking for nothing over a couple years? You've already mortgaged the future and now you want to play a game of chicken? We can't be that incompetent....

I don't know. It's a tough balancing act and this is why these people are supposed to be paid millions to make these negotiations. There is certainly a logic of doing all you can to get that 5 year commitment now so you don't have to go through this again in 2 years.

[emunney]

If he was surely "going to sign" it would have been done already. If his mind is made up, there's no sense in dragging this out, having to field the questions, having your teammates field questions, or risking severe career altering injuries in preseason games. Yet, you've got people going around, like yourself, saying, "it's not if, it's when." No, the logic there doesn't fly.

unless his limb got amputated that contract is on the table no matter whatlol

in theory he can have car accident or plane crush. he can end up in wheel chair. its stupid to not sign now. he can always ask for trade if he wants to leave.

I think once you have 100m in the bank, this kind of risk probably doesn't feel quite as existential.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

If he was surely "going to sign" it would have been done already. If his mind is made up, there's no sense in dragging this out, having to field the questions, having your teammates field questions, or risking severe career altering injuries in preseason games. Yet, you've got people going around, like yourself, saying, "it's not if, it's when." No, the logic there doesn't fly.

unless his limb got amputated that contract is on the table no matter whatlol

You realize that doctors, at one point, suggested Hayward may have to have his leg amputated? Career altering injuries are a very real thing. Nobody is staring down the barrel of that type of money, with their mind made up thinking, "meh, I'll get to it next week."

True but you are exaggerating the risk.

Money - This isn't like the 90s where guys were making good but not crazy money and ended up bankrupt from the club. Giannis is already set for life and probably has 100m in the bank. He literally could spend $5k a day on smoothies and custard just on the t-bill interest alone.

Injury - Giannis would need like a once in a generation type injury not to get another max as not even an ACL nor Achilles would get the bucks to pull their offer...but anyways he would still have insurance in that event. If he lost his leg next week, yeah he wouldn't get $250m but he would probably get another $100m (pure speculation).

[coolhandluke121]

Kidd is a total sociopath. I wouldn't doubt that he would try to stir the pot as much as possible and try to spread rumors like this. He's intelligent and sinister enough to come up with stuff that's plausible enough to be believed too.

Bold/questionable statement.

Sociopaths are plenty smart. It's just that their goals and motivations are so messed up that normal people with healthy objectives can't understand why they do what they do in the name of trying to stay in control no matter how destructive they are.

[coolhandluke121]

I feel like more supermax deals have taken weeks-to-months to work out than have been agreed to right away. We don't know what kind of protections or details either side could be asking for, or how much back and forth is required with the league office, or really what is going on at all. We do know that the timing is not sufficient evidence that it won't happen. Absent information the timing means **** all.

Is insurance still an issue on some of these deals? I remember it was a huge factor in Amare's deal. I would imagine Giannis's is about as routine as it gets though.

[ABucksFan]

Well to be fair there could easily be a scenario where there is a situation where he's willing to do a shorter deal and the Bucks want the 5 year max and that's where the negotiation is happening. So in that sense it would be the team not signing and/or holding it up.

So let's risk pissing him off and walking for nothing over a couple years? You've already mortgaged the future and now you want to play a game of chicken? We can't be that incompetent....

I don't know. It's a tough balancing act and this is why these people are supposed to be paid millions to make these negotiations. There is certainly a logic of doing all you can to get that 5 year commitment now so you don't have to go through this again in 2 years.

Yeah...if you know for sure he's going to sign the 2+1. If you don't and you're just hoping then I don't know what to tell you. At the end of the day I understand we don't know what's going on, but I just find that hard to believe especially coming down to the wire.

[emunney]

I feel like more supermax deals have taken weeks-to-months to work out than have been agreed to right away. We don't know what kind of protections or details either side could be asking for, or how much back and forth is required with the league office, or really what is going on at all. We do know that the timing is not sufficient evidence that it won't happen. Absent information the timing means **** all.

Is insurance still an issue on some of these deals? I remember it was a huge factor in Amare's deal. I would imagine Giannis's is about as routine as it gets though.

It could be. Giannis has had chronic issues with a knee and an ankle. It's not Amare' level but it's conceivable that could be one of the many pieces that needs/needed to be resolved. Total speculation on my part but it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would still be a stopper with a week to go.

People have to understand that basketball franchises aren't like huge multinational corporations. They are very small operations, relatively speaking. A 250m deal isn't something where you just print off boilerplate and everybody signs it. It's a year of revenue.

[emunney]

Plus, from Giannis' side, how much of this is made weird by the suddenly uncertain state of the salary cap? What is it going to be next year, when his extension kicks in and the rest of his deal is set against that? What kind of talks with the league office and even the player's association might be going on to make sure that the max is doing what it's supposed to be doing and not locking him into something indexed against a freakishly tiny cap?

[Chad34]

unless his limb got amputated that contract is on the table no matter whatlol

in theory he can have car accident or plane crush. he can end up in wheel chair. its stupid to not sign now. he can always ask for trade if he wants to leave.

I think once you have 100m in the bank, this kind of risk probably doesn't feel quite as existential.

taxes probably took 40-50 percent of that. i saw where he invested like 7 mil in one company.

[MoreTrife]

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[emunney]

in theory he can have car accident or plane crush. he can end up in wheel chair. its stupid to not sign now. he can always ask for trade if he wants to leave.

I think once you have 100m in the bank, this kind of risk probably doesn't feel quite as existential.

taxes probably took 40-50 percent of that. i saw where he invested like 7 mil in one company.

Sure, but the point remains. Taxes are going to take just as much of the next contract.

[StickeeFingaz]

Hope PP knows something. Wednesday rolls around and nothing has happened and then anxiety increases.

[Frank Nova]

Hope PP knows something. Wednesday rolls around and nothing has happened and then anxiety increases.

What’s supposed to happen on Wednesday?