Who Should Be The 5th Starter?

[Daver]

Agree that we shouldn't screw around with starting a forward who can't move laterally at guard next to our offensive juggernaut point guard.

I guess who knows on midds what that surgery has done maybe it gave him back the fountain of youth in his knees and ge can again play the 2.That would be tbe absolute best case scenerio have jae play the 3

[Daver]

Injuries and load management will happen which will obviously impact minute per game averages, but assuming everyone is available and playing, what would a typical minute breakdown look like during the regular season?

Giannis 30
Dame 30
Middleton 28
Lopez 26
Patty 26
Bobby 24
Payne 20
Crowder 16

Leaves about 40ish minutes for Beasley, Marjon, AJ, AJJ, (and I guess Thanasis and RoLo)

During the playoffs, those 40 minutes probably drop to nearly 0 absent a major breakout by one of those guys.

Mark it down beasley will get mid 20s in minutes maybe higher.He definitrly will be getting starter minutes which eill be more than 16.

[Daver]

Grif has been happy with beas D hes said it a couple times.With beas in a contract year im thinking he will have a good year

I'm trying to talk myself into Beas in light of Griffin's comments but I am concerned about ending up with another Terry Stotts style defense-free backcourt like he did so many times in Milwaukee as well as in Portland.

Look AG may be a rookie HC but he knows his D players are raving about it.None of us are at practice and some of this board i think just doesnt like beasley and would critisize his D no matter how much he improved or AG said he was playing good D.
Botton line is i dont think AG is that guy to play someone(start) if his D was bad.I know most on this board has a major hardon for dre and i agree hes got great instincts on D but im giving AG the benefit of the doubt here and think theres no way they are running a terry stott portland D and if he thought beasley wasnt cutting it on D he wouldnt be starting

[chonestown]

The answer is Pat because this ain't the time to be effing around. Got championships to win

Griff has made it clear that the fifth starter will be guarding the other team's best offensive wing. I can't see Pat being that guy. I've never seen him as that great of a defender and, at this point in his career, he's not all of a sudden going to become an elite defensive player.



Im not a huge fan of beasley its no secret thst AG loves spacing and he feels beasley can gim him that plus 3 pt shooting.
Marjon n dre will not be starting .Closing whole different situation n i could see dre in there.This board is whacked if they think dre or marjon will be the starting 2 with this vet roster n chip aspirations neither can shoot the 3 n spacing would not be good.Opposing Ds will sag off both n DC dame or giannis.A good 3 pt shooter(pat/beasley) n the D csnt sag off which makes the O even more lethal.
It will be beasley or pat most likely beasley.Grif has been happy with beas D hes said it a couple times.With beas in a contract year im thinking he will have a good year

Marjon and Dre have the potential, if it's not already the reality, to be our best wing defenders. I also think Dre would better allow the second unit to succeed (the starters will survive just fine without him). For those reasons, and others, Marjon feels like the better fit to start.

Im not a huge fan of beasley its no secret thst AG loves spacing and he feels beasley can gim him that plus 3 pt shooting.
Marjon n dre will not be starting .Closing whole different situation n i could see dre in there.This board is whacked if they think dre or marjon will be the starting 2 with this vet roster n chip aspirations neither can shoot the 3 n spacing would not be good.Opposing Ds will sag off both n DC dame or giannis.A good 3 pt shooter(pat/beasley) n the D csnt sag off which makes the O even more lethal.
It will be beasley or pat most likely beasley.Grif has been happy with beas D hes said it a couple times.With beas in a contract year im thinking he will have a good year

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[MVP2110]

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This is one of 2 main reasons Beas shouldn't start. Let him take these tough contested shots with the 2nd unit, not while Giannis, Dame, & Khris are on the floor

I agree Beasley should be coming off the bench, but the point of the tweet is that they won't be that contested playing with Giannis. There is absolutely no way playing with the starting unit wouldn't drop that number dramatically for him.

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

[H2tObes]

You have Beasley come off the bench and take shots when Dame isn't on the floor, it's diminishing returns to play him with Dame. You start Pat initially and then hope the young guys outplay him.

[skones]

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

The larger point, though, is that Giannis generates space for shooters. Willing to take contested looks yes. Will he do it as much out of necessity? Unlikely.

[crowhead76]

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

The larger point, though, is that Giannis generates space for shooters. Willing to take contested looks yes. Will he do it as much out of necessity? Unlikely.

It also illustrates that teams have respected Dame and Beasley's shooting much more than the others on the list, and not being able to help off of them.

[MVP2110]

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

The larger point, though, is that Giannis generates space for shooters. Willing to take contested looks yes. Will he do it as much out of necessity? Unlikely.

Is that the larger point? Do we know Beas will stop taking as many contested looks? Because he still took a ton of them in LA

[skones]

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

The larger point, though, is that Giannis generates space for shooters. Willing to take contested looks yes. Will he do it as much out of necessity? Unlikely.

Is that the larger point? Do we know Beas will stop taking as many contested looks? Because he still took a ton of them in LA

Yes it is. By virtue of Giannis's gravity when he gets into the paint, Beasley will be left more. The guy in LA who commands attention is obviously Lebron, he wasn't on the floor in 15 out of the 26 games Beasley played for them.

[MVP2110]

The larger point, though, is that Giannis generates space for shooters. Willing to take contested looks yes. Will he do it as much out of necessity? Unlikely.

Is that the larger point? Do we know Beas will stop taking as many contested looks? Because he still took a ton of them in LA

Yes it is. By virtue of Giannis's gravity when he gets into the paint, Beasley will be left more. The guy in LA who commands attention is obviously Lebron, he wasn't on the floor in 15 out of the 26 games Beasley played for them.

And Beasley wasn't on the floor with Lebron in the playoffs because of the bad shots Beas was taking and his poor defense. Darvin Ham clearly didn't think Lebron being on the floor would help Beas a ton

[sidney lanier]

So why was Bud letting it fly?
To make the game easy is why
But now we have Dame
And so things just became
Even simpler to just simplify

Looking forward to spacing and open shots we have never seen before, which in turn will make running offensive sets, which was a problem last year, a whole new ballgame. Whoever the 2-guard is will benefit, but the biggest beneficiary will be Middleton.

[skones]

Is that the larger point? Do we know Beas will stop taking as many contested looks? Because he still took a ton of them in LA

Yes it is. By virtue of Giannis's gravity when he gets into the paint, Beasley will be left more. The guy in LA who commands attention is obviously Lebron, he wasn't on the floor in 15 out of the 26 games Beasley played for them.

And Beasley wasn't on the floor with Lebron in the playoffs because of the bad shots Beas was taking and his poor defense. Darvin Ham clearly didn't think Lebron being on the floor would help Beas a ton

Beasley being a guy you don't necessarily confidently trot out in the playoffs is an entirely separate thing than the gravity Giannis generates giving him more space to shoot. There's a reason we got him for the minimum.

We haven't even touched on Dame himself drawing a ton of defensive attention himself.

[MVP2110]

Yes it is. By virtue of Giannis's gravity when he gets into the paint, Beasley will be left more. The guy in LA who commands attention is obviously Lebron, he wasn't on the floor in 15 out of the 26 games Beasley played for them.

And Beasley wasn't on the floor with Lebron in the playoffs because of the bad shots Beas was taking and his poor defense. Darvin Ham clearly didn't think Lebron being on the floor would help Beas a ton

Beasley being a guy you don't necessarily confidently trot out in the playoffs is an entirely separate thing than the gravity Giannis generates giving him more space to shoot. There's a reason we got him for the minimum.

We haven't even touched on Dame himself drawing a ton of defensive attention himself.

And I'm not saying Giannis & Dame won't give a massive amount of gravity to Beasley or any other player. But realistically the starting SG should at best be 4th in shots taken among the starting lineup. Beas is likely going to keep shooting and taking shots away from our top players

[FrieAaron]

Beasley being a guy you don't necessarily confidently trot out in the playoffs is an entirely separate thing than the gravity Giannis generates giving him more space to shoot. There's a reason we got him for the minimum.

We haven't even touched on Dame himself drawing a ton of defensive attention himself.

This. And again, I'm not even saying Beasley should start, but in a lineup of Giannis, Dame, Khris, Brook and Beasley, if you're not going to play everyone one on one who would be your first or second choice to help off of?

[skones]

And Beasley wasn't on the floor with Lebron in the playoffs because of the bad shots Beas was taking and his poor defense. Darvin Ham clearly didn't think Lebron being on the floor would help Beas a ton

Beasley being a guy you don't necessarily confidently trot out in the playoffs is an entirely separate thing than the gravity Giannis generates giving him more space to shoot. There's a reason we got him for the minimum.

We haven't even touched on Dame himself drawing a ton of defensive attention himself.

And I'm not saying Giannis & Dame won't give a massive amount of gravity to Beasley or any other player. But realistically the starting SG should at best be 4th in shots taken among the starting lineup. Beas is likely going to keep shooting and taking shots away from our top players

Nobody has disagreed with the line of thinking that Beasley should not start.

[MVP2110]

Beasley being a guy you don't necessarily confidently trot out in the playoffs is an entirely separate thing than the gravity Giannis generates giving him more space to shoot. There's a reason we got him for the minimum.

We haven't even touched on Dame himself drawing a ton of defensive attention himself.

And I'm not saying Giannis & Dame won't give a massive amount of gravity to Beasley or any other player. But realistically the starting SG should at best be 4th in shots taken among the starting lineup. Beas is likely going to keep shooting and taking shots away from our top players

Nobody has disagreed with the line of thinking that Beasley should not start.

You literally responded to post about how Beasley shouldn't start saying I was missing the larger point.

[skones]

And I'm not saying Giannis & Dame won't give a massive amount of gravity to Beasley or any other player. But realistically the starting SG should at best be 4th in shots taken among the starting lineup. Beas is likely going to keep shooting and taking shots away from our top players

Nobody has disagreed with the line of thinking that Beasley should not start.

You literally responded to post about how Beasley shouldn't start saying I was missing the larger point.

I was responding to the larger point of the tweet and your disagreeing with its application because he jacked up contested threes in LA.

[MVP2110]

Nobody has disagreed with the line of thinking that Beasley should not start.

You literally responded to post about how Beasley shouldn't start saying I was missing the larger point.

I was responding to the larger point of the tweet and your disagreeing with its application because he jacked up contested threes in LA.

My whole point of the tweet was the fact that he's willing to jack up so many contested shots is a big part of why he shouldn't be in the starting lineup. We don't need a chucker to be our 5th starter.

[skbucks1985]

Having Pat gives them a safety valve to take a risk on someone else and if it doesn't work, you can pull the plug and there's a good option in the wings. And so if they go with Beasley its probably because they trust that his defense can be adequate and he'll have good shot selection. If one or both of those things change you can pull the plug on it anytime you want.