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Post#161 » by Prez » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:26 am

I mean..Peak Amare was a **** monster offensively, if Giannis was that + better handles/playmaking offensively and elite defense, we’re steamrolling to the title lol
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Post#162 » by RRyder823 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:47 am

The "turn Giannis into Amare" idea is some of the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time.

Not only is the idea to turn Giannis into a lesser player but it's also based on the idea that Dames game is gonna turn into Steve Nash

Tweaks to boths games plus chemistry and we destroy the league.

Wholesale changes to either is dumb

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Post#163 » by MissKhriddleton » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:44 am

RRyder823 wrote:The "turn Giannis into Amare" idea is some of the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time.

Not only is the idea to turn Giannis into a lesser player but it's also based on the idea that Dames game is gonna turn into Steve Nash

Tweaks to boths games plus chemistry and we destroy the league.

Wholesale changes to either is dumb

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Asking Giannis to play off ball and get the majority of his touches in the paint with a head of steam toward the basket so that one of the greatest point guards of all time can actually play point and run the offense is the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time?

Yeah you’re right, let them watch each other take turns with the ball like it’s **** Harden and Westbrook.
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Post#164 » by MissKhriddleton » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:00 am

If there was a coach who could convince Giannis to literally never take a jumpshot ever - no threes, no twos - he’d put up:

Last season: 25.8 ppg on 69% shooting

This season: 25.1 ppg on 67% shooting

That wholesale change sounds absolutely horrible.
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Post#165 » by RRyder823 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:35 am

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RRyder823 wrote:The "turn Giannis into Amare" idea is some of the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time.

Not only is the idea to turn Giannis into a lesser player but it's also based on the idea that Dames game is gonna turn into Steve Nash

Tweaks to boths games plus chemistry and we destroy the league.

Wholesale changes to either is dumb

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Asking Giannis to play off ball and get the majority of his touches in the paint with a head of steam toward the basket so that one of the greatest point guards of all time can actually play point and run the offense is the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time?

Yeah you’re right, let them watch each other take turns with the ball like it’s **** Harden and Westbrook
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Litterally not what I said in the least. Like not even a little bit. How you came to the conclusion that's what I said is some impressive tunnel vision

And yes the idea to turn Giannis into Amare is some of the dumbest **** this board has come up with. Its also based off Dame becoming a Nash style PG and not being well..... Damien **** Lillard.

Sounds like a great idea with no holes in it.



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Post#166 » by Sigra » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:44 am

Conclusion:

We have 2 superstars but each of them is good only with ball in his hands. And unfortunately there is only 1 ball.
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Post#167 » by AussieBuck » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:54 am

Sigra wrote:Conclusion:

We have 2 superstars but each of them is good only with ball in his hands. And unfortunately there is only 1 ball.

Lillard needs the ball for a third of a second 40 feet from the basket.
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Post#168 » by Sigra » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:57 am

RRyder823 wrote:All it took was one good Dame game for people say Giannis needs to turn into Amarie.......... Never change RealGM..... Never....... Change.

I'll take turning Dame into a consistent version of Championship run Middleton over that


The thing is, Middleton played solid defense while having that role at offense. Dame plays terrible defense and if he is in that Middleton role he will hurt at defense more then he will help at offense.

Really guys this is simple:

1. Dame is so bad at defense that he is overall negative if he is not dominant at offense.
2. If Giannis doesn't have ball in his hands at offense we are playing offense 4 on 5 because he hurts spacing and has nothing else to offer at offense.

I was 100% for "Jrue for Dame" trade because it was clear that Giannis based offense doesn't work in playoffs and I hate that offense anyway. I also wanted to see am I right about Giannis and that he cant play off ball. Unfortunately I was right.

What now? Well, we will never trade Giannis unless he ask for that. So personally I hope he ask as soon as possible.
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Post#169 » by Sigra » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:02 am

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Sigra wrote:Conclusion:

We have 2 superstars but each of them is good only with ball in his hands. And unfortunately there is only 1 ball.

Lillard needs the ball for a third of a second 40 feet from the basket.


His shooting from distance looks much much better when he shoot it after dribble. Not open shoots.

We have 2 guys who are great when they have ball in their hands and are in "God" role. Both have yet to prove that they can be good in another role.
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Post#170 » by AussieBuck » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:05 am

Sigra wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
Sigra wrote:Conclusion:

We have 2 superstars but each of them is good only with ball in his hands. And unfortunately there is only 1 ball.

Lillard needs the ball for a third of a second 40 feet from the basket.


His shooting from distance looks much much better when he shoot it after dribble. Not open shoots.

We have 2 guys who are great when they have ball in their hands and are in "God" role. Both have yet to prove that they can be good in another role.

lol, Dame is a **** awesome fit with Giannis. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#171 » by Sigra » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:07 am

For 12 year old kids for sure.
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Post#172 » by RiotPunch » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:39 am

Sigra wrote:For 12 year old kids for sure.

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Post#173 » by RiotPunch » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:48 am

RRyder823 wrote:The "turn Giannis into Amare" idea is some of the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time.

Not only is the idea to turn Giannis into a lesser player but it's also based on the idea that Dames game is gonna turn into Steve Nash

Tweaks to boths games plus chemistry and we destroy the league.

Wholesale changes to either is dumb

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Pretty sure I was the first to post the Nash/Amar'e PnR vid, as it relates to Dame/Giannis, and I did so as an example of how Giannis could grow as a willing screener and have it benefit his game, and our offense.

Turning Giannis into Amar'e is not what I was getting at all. Just some tricks to the trade to add to his arsenal. He can be devastating on-ball, and that should be utilized--just in more moderation than the current. He can be just as dominant as a willing screener, feasting off the attention that Dame gets.

Easy. Efficient. Buckets. Nash/Amar'e is just an example of PnR poetry in motion that Giannis could maybe learn a thing or two from.
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Post#174 » by RiotPunch » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:50 am

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Dudes been shpoting good the whole year over 40on 3s probably alot higher since last night n almost 50% from the floor anyone else does that you guys have orgazisms but beas foes it its ho hum whatever


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Post#176 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:12 pm

MissKhriddleton wrote:If there was a coach who could convince Giannis to literally never take a jumpshot ever - no threes, no twos - he’d put up:

Last season: 25.8 ppg on 69% shooting

This season: 25.1 ppg on 67% shooting

That wholesale change sounds absolutely horrible.


Sorry, but he wouldn't come close to those numbers, because defenses would defend him differently.
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Post#177 » by emunney » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:03 pm

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Turk Nowitzki wrote:He can't, but games like last night are why these guys stay in the NBA.




Dudes been shpoting good the whole year over 40on 3s probably alot higher since last night n almost 50% from the floor anyone else does that you guys have orgazisms but beas foes it its ho hum whatever


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Post#178 » by GoldenAntlers » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:08 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:The "turn Giannis into Amare" idea is some of the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time.

Not only is the idea to turn Giannis into a lesser player but it's also based on the idea that Dames game is gonna turn into Steve Nash

Tweaks to boths games plus chemistry and we destroy the league.

Wholesale changes to either is dumb

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Asking Giannis to play off ball and get the majority of his touches in the paint with a head of steam toward the basket so that one of the greatest point guards of all time can actually play point and run the offense is the dumbest **** this board has turned out in some time?

Yeah you’re right, let them watch each other take turns with the ball like it’s **** Harden and Westbrook.
Yeah, I don't get the resistance to letting Dame facilitate. It will never be Nash/Amare, but Dame/Giannis might actually win a chip if done right.
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Post#179 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:30 pm

Neither Freak nor Dame has to drastically change their games to fit. They just need to tweak things and be okay with playing off-ball some of the time. A good way to keep them both engaged in that instance is to run off-ball screens for both in designed sets to get them the ball in advantageous areas. Then the Freak/Dame high-screen game (with Brook for Horns action) can be unleashed in the second half.

Gianni just needs to get the ball closer to the basket. Preferably about 15-17 feet and in either on the elbow or the wings/block. It's harder for the defense to cover the court and defend his drives. It also gives Gianni easier outlet options if a double comes, which it usually does the closer he gets to the cup.
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Post#180 » by DingleJerry » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:03 pm

Another oddity to people resisting this is that the one time Giannis was convinced/forced to do this (due to injury in the 21 playoffs) they won the championship. I know I've mentioned this for now 3 years but I thought that would've convinced them to do this tweak from that point on, but they went right back to the norm. This should be a no brainer.

And no, doing that for 20ish mins of his game a night is not a 'fundamental change'. I know it essentially a semantics argument but to me thats a tweak. Once he gets the ball he does the same things, he'll just get in a closer/easier spot instead of dribbling into 3 people. And for the other 15-20 mins a night really nothing changes for him

To me a fundamental change would be asking the 2nd best shooter ever and one of the best PGs ever who thrives in ball screens to stand and watch. Or if Giannis were asked to do what Brook does, stand on the 3 pt line and watch.
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