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Post#161 » by mediocrityrules » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:26 am

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yeah.. i really dont know what to say if you think Beasley should play significant minutes on a team with title aspirations. i'm just going to silently hope that Horst understands where his priorities should be and leave it at that.



Beas us the least of the bucks troubles amazing how you can just pick 1 guy out every night to bash n its always beas.Guy has earned his starting gig or you think marjon deserves it more


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Post#162 » by tsamo » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:29 am

So apparently, AJJ is shooting 63.2% from the field and 60% from three point range so far this season.
Of course, it's on very very very limited playing time, but still.
It feels like he thrives against teams like the Heat that are on your face all the time, in contrary to Marjon who panics and can't function.

On the other hand, it feels like against defences that have a more "Let's see what you can do" approach, it feels like AJJ panics and doesn't know what to do, whereas Marjon has some sets he can initiate.

Also, when Griffin put AJJ last night in the game for like the last offensive possesion of the first half, I wanted to pull out my hair, lol. It felt like Griff was trolling us.
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Re: PG Heat - Win 

Post#163 » by Jez2983 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:53 am

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Jez2983 wrote:Remember when Middleton was permanently broken like 2 games ago?

Our Brook/Dame/Giannis + others units should be looking good now.

Those + Mids and ? will look absolutely filthy.

In my mind we have an issue with scoring creation off the bench. When Bobby isn't working, like tonight, we need another option. I don't know if that's Beasley, but we need something.

It's weird seeing this offensive juggernaut closing team we have now.


With rotations, we now have this 4-5 minute period in the 2nd when neither Giannis or Dame is on the floor. With our bench stinking it up lately this period has looked shaky, but could get more problematic. If Midds gets back to full minutes that will help, and hopefully you won't then have a single minute where we don't have at least one of these three guys in the game to drive the offense, (without anyone having to pull more than 35 minutes).


Great point. High 20's Mids and Crowder probably really alters this.
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Re: PG Heat - Win 

Post#164 » by greekbuck34 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:56 am

CharityStripe34 wrote:Saw the 4th. Entertaining.

If I showed Bucks RGM game threads to a non-fan this is the absolute worst ever 13-5 team in NBA history lol.

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I just read the GT and most of the people here get so mad it's hilarious. :lol:
If you didn't know the result and the boxscore you would think we lost by 20 points with Giannis having a 2-13 16 point night and being by far the worst defender on the floor while in reality we killed another team in the 4th and dominated every minute Giannis, Dame and Khris were on the court.

Defense is still bad in the first 3 quarters and our bench is struggling but both are logical with an offensive oriented squad without complete chemistry and with the injuries and Khris minutes restriction hurting our depth.

At first I thought we were switching way to easily, especially with Giannis in the perimeter on guards and leaving Dame and Pat on Love and Bam but in reality we are forcing them at what they don't want to do. We are forcing Bam to be a scorer and have +30 points or old Kevin Love to take a lot tries in the paint instead of the rest of the guys having shooting drills the whole game.
In fact when Giannis first sat down and we kind of went away from it either with drop defense or with anybody else other than Giannis in the perimeter they started hitting 3p shots and get in their usual rythme.

People complaining that Giannis let D. Robinson blow by him are naive. I'd rather let Robinson get a couple layups with Giannis at his back than let him shoot 15 3s per game. Coach Griff said so himself after the Portland game. Those shooters can't see the hands in front of their face after a point. You have to prevent them from taking the shot and not just close out and raise your hand in the last moment.

Edit: I'm glad people mentioned Giannis sitting alone at the scoring table and Dame having negative body language during the games. They truly hate playing on this team. :D

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Post#165 » by PG Graveyard » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:40 pm

I think everyone would be best served if Mids came off the bench for this team while still closing games. Gives Mids some more opportunities to cook and be able to cover lesser players until closing time.
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Post#166 » by trwi7 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:50 pm

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Post#167 » by Profound23 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:39 pm

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he needs a consistent run



Consistent run out of the NBA


Hard to expect him to come in late second half after sitting all that time and be expected to shoot high percentage. It seems like that’s how he’s been used during this short slump. That said, give me all the AJ stock. One for ten over a few games is such a small sample size for a shooter. I expect he’ll go 8 for his next ten.


But that is his role, to sit most of the game and come in to make shots at certain spots. Many players have done this role to perfection and created careers out of it.

He literally can't do anything else at all on the basketball court. I keep hearing about Dame's defense or Beasley's defense, but I don't think they are paying attention to Green's defense. He is undersized and can't stick with his man to save his life.

With our poor defense we need to see AJJ WAY more than AJ.
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Post#168 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:56 pm

AussieBuck wrote:It remains **** amazing that the standard play is for us to entirely punt on perimeter D.


Its making this season not fun at all for me. I'm resigned to the fact that we'll just have to outscore teams because it feels like Griffin can't even be bothered try. I fully understand guys like Brook/Midds move like they're under water, and Dame/Beas are just not good at all on that end, but refusing to even give AJJ a chance to show really anything at all through 17 games has been malpractice. Give him 20-25 minutes a night for a couple weeks. If he's obviously overmatched, or fouls out every time, at least you know. But to not even try, based on the many glimpses he's given, is simply embarrassing.
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Post#169 » by HKPackFan » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:59 pm

RTG HD wrote:Blazer fan here. Thank you for beating the Heat. Go Dame! Go Bucks!



I thought it was really cool seeing a bunch of Portland Dame jerseys walking around last night.

There were more bucks fans than I expected, sprinkled throughout the arena.

Also was very cool to see the attention Dame got from heat fans.

Next to me and a few others when Dame got the ball they would pull out their cameras and record waiting to see if they were about to witness some magic. And they were HEAT FANS!

I realized probably a lot of eastern conference fans have seen little of Dame in person so there was some excitement getting to see a guy they don't get to see very often.

And not so much in the 4th quarter but in the first 3 quarters the guy next to me especially every time Dame hit a long distance bomb they were just like... Wow... Appreciative of Dame long range sniper skills.

I think it's a treat for the whole eastern conference to have Dame here.
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Post#170 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:05 pm

Assuming Pat's gonna be out a while, so really no other options at this point but to play Marjon and Andre as much as they can handle. Aww, who am I kidding? We're gonna see 40-minutes of Malik Beasley vs. Chicago.....aren't we?
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Post#171 » by PG Graveyard » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:16 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Assuming Pat's gonna be out a while, so really no other options at this point but to play Marjon and Andre as much as they can handle. Aww, who am I kidding? We're gonna see 40-minutes of Malik Beasley vs. Chicago.....aren't we?


As bad as Marjon has looked the last 3 games I hope we keep running him out there. Theoretically he should be able to help us but his confidence really is up and down
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Post#172 » by soboMP3 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:21 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:Saw the 4th. Entertaining.

If I showed Bucks RGM game threads to a non-fan this is the absolute worst ever 13-5 team in NBA history lol.

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I just read the GT and most of the people here get so mad it's hilarious. :lol:
If you didn't know the result and the boxscore you would think we lost by 20 points with Giannis having a 2-13 16 point night and being by far the worst defender on the floor while in reality we killed another team in the 4th and dominated every minute Giannis, Dame and Khris were on the court.

Defense is still bad in the first 3 quarters and our bench is struggling but both are logical with an offensive oriented squad without complete chemistry and with the injuries and Khris minutes restriction hurting our depth.

At first I thought we were switching way to easily, especially with Giannis in the perimeter on guards and leaving Dame and Pat on Love and Bam but in reality we are forcing them at what they don't want to do. We are forcing Bam to be a scorer and have +30 points or old Kevin Love to take a lot tries in the paint instead of the rest of the guys having shooting drills the whole game.
In fact when Giannis first sat down and we kind of went away from it either with drop defense or with anybody else other than Giannis in the perimeter they started hitting 3p shots and get in their usual rythme.

People complaining that Giannis let D. Robinson blow by him are naive. I'd rather let Robinson get a couple layups with Giannis at his back than let him shoot 15 3s per game. Coach Griff said so himself after the Portland game. Those shooters can't see the hands in front of their face after a point. You have to prevent them from taking the shot and not just close out and raise your hand in the last moment.

Edit: I'm glad people mentioned Giannis sitting alone at the scoring table and Dame having negative body language during the games. They truly hate playing on this team. :D

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Lol, yep. I was only able to watch the second half and was about 7 minutes behind for a bit trying to catch up to live while simultaneously reading this thread. I was waiting for us to go down by 20 in a hot minute reading the posts here. This board is 90% hysterics.
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Post#173 » by Profound23 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:29 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Assuming Pat's gonna be out a while, so really no other options at this point but to play Marjon and Andre as much as they can handle. Aww, who am I kidding? We're gonna see 40-minutes of Malik Beasley vs. Chicago.....aren't we?



Miami played Jaquez 33 minutes and even undrafted Jamal Cain for a few minutes. He will continue using these players and when the post season comes around everyone will be questioning how they are getting by with rookies, second year undrafted players, and throw aways like Josh Richardson.

It's because he plays them in "meaningful" regular season games early and often. I don't understand what coaches like Doc Rivers, Bud, or Griff have against playing young guys. AJJ and Marjon should be out there consistently. I understand "make them earn their minutes" and that is true, at the same time putting them in real-game situations on a regular basis will make this team better in the long run.

As much as I dislike the injuries to Pat C. and Jae, if it forces the coach to play the young guys more this could set us up for success in the post season. Marjon and AJJ are the answer to our lack of defense.
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Post#174 » by crowhead76 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:55 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:Saw the 4th. Entertaining.

If I showed Bucks RGM game threads to a non-fan this is the absolute worst ever 13-5 team in NBA history lol.

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I just read the GT and most of the people here get so mad it's hilarious. :lol:
If you didn't know the result and the boxscore you would think we lost by 20 points with Giannis having a 2-13 16 point night and being by far the worst defender on the floor while in reality we killed another team in the 4th and dominated every minute Giannis, Dame and Khris were on the court.

Defense is still bad in the first 3 quarters and our bench is struggling but both are logical with an offensive oriented squad without complete chemistry and with the injuries and Khris minutes restriction hurting our depth.

At first I thought we were switching way to easily, especially with Giannis in the perimeter on guards and leaving Dame and Pat on Love and Bam but in reality we are forcing them at what they don't want to do. We are forcing Bam to be a scorer and have +30 points or old Kevin Love to take a lot tries in the paint instead of the rest of the guys having shooting drills the whole game.
In fact when Giannis first sat down and we kind of went away from it either with drop defense or with anybody else other than Giannis in the perimeter they started hitting 3p shots and get in their usual rythme.

People complaining that Giannis let D. Robinson blow by him are naive. I'd rather let Robinson get a couple layups with Giannis at his back than let him shoot 15 3s per game. Coach Griff said so himself after the Portland game. Those shooters can't see the hands in front of their face after a point. You have to prevent them from taking the shot and not just close out and raise your hand in the last moment.

Edit: I'm glad people mentioned Giannis sitting alone at the scoring table and Dame having negative body language during the games. They truly hate playing on this team. :D


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Post#175 » by greekbuck34 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:56 pm

I're visited a few other boards after our wins and the most common opinion is something like this:

"Nobody is scared of this Bucks team. Their defense is trash. They are way worse than their Championship team.
BUT
Our defense has been garbage. Allowing 130-140 points won't cut it. That 4th quarter was really rough. **** the refs."

:lol: :lol:
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Post#176 » by Profound23 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:00 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:I're visited a few other boards after our wins and the most common opinion is something like this:

"Nobody is scared of this Bucks team. Their defense is trash. They are way worse than their Championship team.
BUT
Our defense has been garbage. Allowing 130-140 points won't cut it. That 4th quarter was really rough. **** the refs."

:lol: :lol:



To be fair this has been the same thing every year. In 2021 it was "Nobody is scared of this Bucks team, they don't have enough shooters, Jrue will fold in crunch time."

But yes we need to fix this defense and double yes f*** the refs.
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Post#177 » by pifhluk23 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:19 pm

It'd be great if we could try not overplaying for steals and not covering guys out to 40ft against a good team once just to see how it looks.

Also Pat and Crowder out and Marjon playing like crap = it's a crime against humanity if AJJ doesn't get 12+ mins a game.
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Post#178 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:32 pm

Guys, the game threads are always, ALWAYS, absolute sh*tshows. Its like the first NBA viewing for every single hysterical, fanatic contributor. Just a bunch people unwilling to recognize that the NBA is, and always has been, a game of runs. And then rinse, repeat for 82 games. Steer clear.

However, as an eternal Bucks optimist, and card carrying member of the "regular seasons mean nothing so long as we have a healthy Giannis" club, this year has been downright facepalmingly annoying. Thanks to Adrian Griffin. A coach, mind you, that when many were flipping out over the hire, I was one of the few to say "he's paid his dues, give the guy a chance." Wish I could take that hot take back. Vegas had us as title favorites before game one. We have two of the top-75 players of all time. And two other borderline All-Stars. With that comes extremely high expectations. As comically underrated as Jrue Holiday's contributions were on this forum, and in the basketball universe in general, we should not be this terrible and lost defensively.
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Post#179 » by emunney » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:32 pm

Profound23 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Assuming Pat's gonna be out a while, so really no other options at this point but to play Marjon and Andre as much as they can handle. Aww, who am I kidding? We're gonna see 40-minutes of Malik Beasley vs. Chicago.....aren't we?



Miami played Jaquez 33 minutes and even undrafted Jamal Cain for a few minutes. He will continue using these players and when the post season comes around everyone will be questioning how they are getting by with rookies, second year undrafted players, and throw aways like Josh Richardson.

It's because he plays them in "meaningful" regular season games early and often. I don't understand what coaches like Doc Rivers, Bud, or Griff have against playing young guys. AJJ and Marjon should be out there consistently. I understand "make them earn their minutes" and that is true, at the same time putting them in real-game situations on a regular basis will make this team better in the long run.

As much as I dislike the injuries to Pat C. and Jae, if it forces the coach to play the young guys more this could set us up for success in the post season. Marjon and AJJ are the answer to our lack of defense.


Jaquez looked really good. Not good enough to handle Khris one-on-one, but who is? Jimmy certainly can't do it. Called him the Brogdon of DeRozans in the draft thread and was not dissuaded last night.
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Re: PG Heat - Win 

Post#180 » by Shaffty » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:40 pm

PG Graveyard wrote:I think everyone would be best served if Mids came off the bench for this team while still closing games. Gives Mids some more opportunities to cook and be able to cover lesser players until closing time.



who would start in his place?

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