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Post#161 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:55 am

slos wrote:Do we push for 3rd seed? Knicks are just 3.5 wins away, they just lost Brunson in the first game of a tough road trip and we play them at home.

I tend to prefer Celtics in the 2nd round. Jrue has lost a step this season and they seem like a team in big trouble if just one of their Top 7-8 guys gets hurt. On the other hand Cavs are much deeper and look like a hungry team in the rise.

I’m not saying that Doc needs to start playing Dame/Giannis 40ish minutes or risk with injuries to get it done. But it’s definitely something to consider moving forward. Pistons over Indiana in the first round should be a side bonus.

On top of that I can see a fresh Cavs team in the second round after crushing Atlanta and a bit banged Celtics team after some tough games with Miami.

Thoughts?

Catching the Knicks is possible but unlikely given our schedule. With our recent playoff history I wouldn't worry about who we might play in rounds 2/3, I'd worry about winning round 1. So the focus should be staying ahead of Indy/Detroit and getting HCA in the first round.
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Post#162 » by pifhluk23 » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:15 pm

slos wrote:Do we push for 3rd seed? Knicks are just 3.5 wins away, they just lost Brunson in the first game of a tough road trip and we play them at home.

I tend to prefer Celtics in the 2nd round. Jrue has lost a step this season and they seem like a team in big trouble if just one of their Top 7-8 guys gets hurt. On the other hand Cavs are much deeper and look like a hungry team in the rise.

I’m not saying that Doc needs to start playing Dame/Giannis 40ish minutes or risk with injuries to get it done. But it’s definitely something to consider moving forward. Pistons over Indiana in the first round should be a side bonus.

On top of that I can see a fresh Cavs team in the second round after crushing Atlanta and a bit banged Celtics team after some tough games with Miami.

Thoughts?


We don't really need to "push" for it, just keep playing good basketball and we'll get it. Thibs burns his guys out by the end of the season and Brunson is injured now in the beginning of a West Coast trip for them. We have the Pacers twice Tuesday and Saturday next week, need both of those.
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Post#163 » by tydett » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:32 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:There will be bad games and bad losses. It's inevitable. And the board will turn on them and the team. It's inevitable.


Last ten games have been seashells and balloons. It’s been great stuff. But yes, we’re Bucks fans. We know this can shift on a dime on us.

BTW - Marquette went 49-1 in the 50 games Jim Chones appeared in.


Chones mentioned.imo


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Post#164 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:57 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote: run and jump and dribble and do the hesi's....initiate some offense when it breaks down.... and especially d up on ball and get in passing lanes. he seems to have good timing and instincts defensively.


He's all that and he's overrated?


yeah... imagine micheal beasley and brandon jennings type on offense with a thon maker javon carter type on defense.

sprinkle in the prospect of slightly psychotic with uncontrollable emotions and then what have you got?

hes got some upside...no question and what he brings is absolutely helping no differently than a 25 yo brandon jennings would have...off the bench.... but ive not been crazy impressed.

i think hes good for a bench unit for now..... but hed be an absolute mess as a starter.
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Post#165 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Mar 7, 2025 2:40 pm

drone3 wrote:Bud had our team humming for a while there but gotta admit it was boring and methodical. Much prefer the style we are playing now.

Does Doc get any cred for that? or is it just the young blood we brought in... creativity and D of Kuz, KPJ, Sims ?


I will give Doc credit in that he does draw up some cool plays occasionally, and in that he'll have (for instance) Giannis and Brook run high/low action when I hardly remember that ever happening under Bud. Normally, Brook would be posted up in the corner with a 6'5" dude guarding him waiting for a pass. Whereas now Brook (and sometimes Giannis, and Bobby) are playing in the dunker and lurking near the hoop to either catch a lob or be in position for a rebound.

The strange thing, under Doc, is that he often makes an adjustment about two possessions too late. And in their effort to beef up the defense, the offense has suffered somewhat. The 4th quarter halfcourt stuff still looks too sluggish. If you have Giannis, Dame and Brook with shooters around them it should be a lot easier to get a quality look. Like in the ATL game when there were 2-3 possessions where it was either Giannis or Dame trying a hero-ball shot and it sucked. Doc called time and the next two possessions were so smooth and easy. 1-4 high-screen, Giannis gets the ball at the stripe and finds a wide-open Brook for an easy layup. Then the next play Dame gets a good screen and because 2-3 guys collapse on Giannis he had a runway to the cup for a layup. Game over.

The good thing with Kuzma and KPJ's additions are that they're active and willing players on both sides. It's easier to work with that so we should start seeing improved chemistry with the key guys. I'm waiting to see if or when Doc will start pulling the trigger with Giannis-at-C lineups with Kuzma at the 4.
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Post#166 » by jschligs » Fri Mar 7, 2025 4:05 pm

Can we give Doc some flowers? We are the 5th best defensive rating in the last 3 months, we’re playing much better, he’s improved rotations (AJAX less), and he seems to be a good culture fit with the players. Man needs some props.

Now, that said, the playoffs will be the big indicator of his coaching prowess and I know he’s struggled there.
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Post#167 » by Bernman » Fri Mar 7, 2025 5:56 pm

jschligs wrote:Can we give Doc some flowers? We are the 5th best defensive rating in the last 3 months, we’re playing much better, he’s improved rotations (AJAX less), and he seems to be a good culture fit with the players. Man needs some props.

Now, that said, the playoffs will be the big indicator of his coaching prowess and I know he’s struggled there.


No, we have 1 of the worst offenses in the NBA in the 4th quarter/crunch time, w/ Giannis & Dame. That's an unforgivable sin.
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Post#168 » by -Jragon- » Fri Mar 7, 2025 7:13 pm

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slos wrote:Do we push for 3rd seed? Knicks are just 3.5 wins away, they just lost Brunson in the first game of a tough road trip and we play them at home.

I tend to prefer Celtics in the 2nd round. Jrue has lost a step this season and they seem like a team in big trouble if just one of their Top 7-8 guys gets hurt. On the other hand Cavs are much deeper and look like a hungry team in the rise.

I’m not saying that Doc needs to start playing Dame/Giannis 40ish minutes or risk with injuries to get it done. But it’s definitely something to consider moving forward. Pistons over Indiana in the first round should be a side bonus.

On top of that I can see a fresh Cavs team in the second round after crushing Atlanta and a bit banged Celtics team after some tough games with Miami.

Thoughts?


We don't really need to "push" for it, just keep playing good basketball and we'll get it. Thibs burns his guys out by the end of the season and Brunson is injured now in the beginning of a West Coast trip for them. We have the Pacers twice Tuesday and Saturday next week, need both of those.


I agree with this... keep winning while doing what we can to keep guys fresh (and getting any possible playoff rotation guys acclimated). There's just as much of a chance that Indy or Detroit get the 3rd/4th seed at this point.
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Post#169 » by engelmartin » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:01 pm

The herd just got the rights to some guy named John Butler Jr. 7 footer looks pretty athletic. Anyone remember him from anywhere?
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Post#170 » by tedbrogen » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:04 pm

Celtics in round two is preferable to the Cavs in my opinion. However, you almost certainly have to go through the Cavs at some point, so probably seeding probably doesn’t matter if the team is truly a contender.

Having the Nets in round two in 2021 worked out after most of us dreaded it.
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Post#171 » by tedbrogen » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:09 pm

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jschligs wrote:Can we give Doc some flowers? We are the 5th best defensive rating in the last 3 months, we’re playing much better, he’s improved rotations (AJAX less), and he seems to be a good culture fit with the players. Man needs some props.

Now, that said, the playoffs will be the big indicator of his coaching prowess and I know he’s struggled there.


No, we have 1 of the worst offenses in the NBA in the 4th quarter/crunch time, w/ Giannis & Dame. That's an unforgivable sin.


Some of that is bad habits from Giannis and Dame trying to do their own ISO stuff when things get tight. When they run actual plays like they did after the timeout in the tie game against the Hawks, they can clearly create great looks. That and KPJ being prime Salmons has helped with the bench minutes at the start of the fourth. Previously that was Midds role and he was only available every two or three games and he seemed completely exhausted by the fourth.
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Post#172 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:19 pm

I have a tough time "giving Doc his flowers" when we're still on pace to have our worst regular season record since 2017, but I don't know how you put the 4th quarter/clutch offense stuff on him when it was really good last season (7th in offense, 5th in net-rating). It's kind of a flukey stat (see: the Bulls last season).
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Post#173 » by nagawicka » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:51 pm

BigO wrote:I hope all the positivity regarding Kuzma and KPJ continue after this 2 week gauntlet coming up. Everything KPJ and Kuz does is seen with rose colored glasses right now.

There is no doubt the two of them bring athleticism and in the case of KPJ, high end bball skills. It's just that both of them have an extensive record with other teams that is consistent and are red flags (and I don't mean off court stuff with KPJ).

Indicting as rose-colored the vision of realGMers who've seen, verily, with their own two eyes these three new Bucks play--isn't viable. Two or more of your peers gathered here witnessed Kuzma move the ball & defend at will, KPJ pass and rebound and *not* ballhog willfully, and Sims turns out to be The Inverse Paul Mokeski who picks-&-rolls and dunks a lob like he's *seen it done before*. Unlike some on the roster. This quality play unfolded before your very eyes. Though understandably unrecognizable to some in a Bucks forum, the oncourt performance came first, the appreciative recognition it generated, second. That's the sequence. These events, these plays executed, are NBA roses by definition. When you haven't seen real roses in too long, ya might think it's the glasses (but somehow always someone else's). Qualitatively: the entire roster moved the ball the moment Kuzma hit the court. Massive upgrade. *Quantitatively*: one of the 3 just magically pulled a triple double out of his hat, in few minutes, w/o starters on-hand. I mean IF statistical metrics are your thing. Prior games in which Dame & Giannis *each* scored 36 to 40 points *also* featured little ball movement, no spark, few points from other guys, and a close finish and a likely defeat.

I'll take the spark.

To your larger point.

It's SPORTS. Expect to lose all the time. It's the NBA, it's the Bucks, if that helps. There's no world where winning effortlessly all the time is a) ever gonna happen, or b) could ever be enjoyable or worthwhile. Expectations don't go up just because we've acquired a few promising bball players.

Inevitably, the Bucks will lose games. Inevitably, these guys will make mistakes. (Kuzma as 'Closer' w a 3pt prayer when Green's on the court will not cut it.) Inevitably, this will come as *no surprise* to anyone with a sense of perspective. Inevitably, it will infuriate many whose unreasonable expectations are more or less, but definitely and absolutely, unwarranted.

Fully prepared to watch a gelling, developing roster rise together to meet increasingly tough challenges. There's no other reason to be here, collapse or not. I get it tho//when all the Donte not finishing, Khris buttafingers, G dribble&falldown eeiuuughhh!//is all seared into our realGM brain--I get it. I understand. It's easy to believe that believing in that historical style of play is not, somehow, leaning like a crutch on rose-colored glasses.

Gonna say it again. We saw realGMers assert as fact the notion that Sims, KPJ, Kuz were bad, dead-end no-good not-NBA players--BEFORE they'd so much as set foot on the court in a Bucks uniform. When no one could know. Fans fronting this bad take have been shown to have no basis in reality to speak about. So who's wearing reality-distorting glasses? Those interested in seeing how K, KPJ, Sims do haven't made undue or unearned claims.
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Post#174 » by Prez » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:53 pm

Doc is a fine enough coach. I don’t dislike him but I’m also certainly not at the “let’s give him his flowers” stage yet. Like we have prime Giannis/Dame and a solid cast of role players, we *should* be good. I think about half the current head coaches in the league could have us just as good or better right now in Doc’s place.
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Post#175 » by raysbookclub » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:06 pm

nagawicka wrote:The Inverse Paul Mokeski


And1 for including Paul Mokeski in your explanation of the current Bucks :-D
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Post#176 » by jschligs » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:34 pm

I said some not all of his flowers, damn.
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Post#177 » by BigO » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:41 pm

nagawicka wrote:
BigO wrote:I hope all the positivity regarding Kuzma and KPJ continue after this 2 week gauntlet coming up. Everything KPJ and Kuz does is seen with rose colored glasses right now.

There is no doubt the two of them bring athleticism and in the case of KPJ, high end bball skills. It's just that both of them have an extensive record with other teams that is consistent and are red flags (and I don't mean off court stuff with KPJ).

Indicting as rose-colored the vision of realGMers who've seen, verily, with their own two eyes these three new Bucks play--isn't viable. Two or more of your peers gathered here witnessed Kuzma move the ball & defend at will, KPJ pass and rebound and *not* ballhog willfully, and Sims turns out to be The Inverse Paul Mokeski who picks-&-rolls and dunks a lob like he's *seen it done before*. Unlike some on the roster. This quality play unfolded before your very eyes. Though understandably unrecognizable to some in a Bucks forum, the oncourt performance came first, the appreciative recognition it generated, second. That's the sequence. These events, these plays executed, are NBA roses by definition. When you haven't seen real roses in too long, ya might think it's the glasses (but somehow always someone else's). Qualitatively: the entire roster moved the ball the moment Kuzma hit the court. Massive upgrade. *Quantitatively*: one of the 3 just magically pulled a triple double out of his hat, in few minutes, w/o starters on-hand. I mean IF statistical metrics are your thing. Prior games in which Dame & Giannis each scored 36 to 40 points lose ALSO featured: little ball movement, no spark, few points from other guys, and a close finish and a likely defeat.

I'll take the spark.

To your larger point.

It's SPORTS. Expect to lose all the time. It's the NBA, it's the Bucks, if that helps. There's no world where winning effortlessly all the time is a) ever gonna happen, or b) could ever be enjoyable or worthwhile. Expectations don't go up just because we've acquired a few promising bball players.

Inevitably, the Bucks will lose games. Inevitably, these guys will make mistakes. (Kuzma as 'Closer' w a 3pt prayer when Green's on the court will not cut it.) Inevitably, this will come as *no surprise* to anyone with a sense of perspective. Inevitably, it will infuriate many whose unreasonable expectations are more or less, but definitely and absolutely, unwarranted.

Fully prepared to watch a gelling, developing roster rise together to meet increasingly tough challenges. There's no other reason to be here, collapse or not. I get it tho//when all the Donte not finishing, Khris buttafingers, G dribble&falldown eeiuuughhh!//is all seared into our realGM brain--I get it. I understand. It's easy to believe that believing in that historical style of play is not, somehow, leaning like a crutch on rose-colored glasses.

Gonna say it again. We saw realGMers assert as fact the notion that Sims, KPJ, Kuz were bad, dead-end no-good not-NBA players--BEFORE they'd so much as set foot on the court in a Bucks uniform. When no one could know. Fans fronting this bad take have been shown to have no basis in reality to speak about. So who's wearing reality-distorting glasses? Those interested in seeing how K, KPJ, Sims do haven't made undue or unearned claims.



Kudos for putting your thoughts, in detail, out there, and your passion as a Bucks fan. Here's where I disagree with you:

1) Any poster who was and is skeptical of Kuzma and/or KPJ had plenty of evidence for their skepticism BEFORE he played for the Bucks. Kuzma's inefficiency over 8 seasons, for both good and bad teams, are facts. Watching him for a few games in a Bucks uniform doesn't override his history. That's what I mean by rose colored glasses.

2) Kuzma has a lot of valuable attributes, but liking what you see on the court, doesnt negate the probability that he will be what he has always been. The same is true of KPJ. Sims is a development piece, but he has a history too.

I really like what Kuzma has done the past two games. He has taken good shots and been very efficient. His overall Buck numbers are getting respectable. If he can continue that and improve his horrible assist to turnover ratio, he can help.

Lastly, there are a few posters who think his inefficiency doesn't matter, because if he shoots enough he will score. I just have a different philosophy.
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Post#178 » by blazza18 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:17 am

jschligs wrote:Can we give Doc some flowers? We are the 5th best defensive rating in the last 3 months, we’re playing much better, he’s improved rotations (AJAX less), and he seems to be a good culture fit with the players. Man needs some props.

Now, that said, the playoffs will be the big indicator of his coaching prowess and I know he’s struggled there.


Probs a bit premature. Think we will learn more about how good we are over the next few weeks. If we can maintain a solid defence, be more consistent on offence and not fall back into a week long slump Doc and the team will have earnt some flowers.
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Post#179 » by pifhluk23 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:03 am

Wow our schedule is brutal rest of the way, Pacers have a cake walk and even their Cavs games are end of the year when they will have #1 locked up. Given the Brunson injury I'm guessing:

#3 Pacers
#4/5 Bucks and Knicks
#6 Pistons

Am i reading this right we don't have 2 days rest for the rest of the season? Along with 3 b2bs and a West Coast trip. This is insane, who designs this garbage.

Really hope Doc learned his lesson last year...
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Post#180 » by German Athens » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:48 pm

If we’re under the first apron next season, I think we could use the full MLE in a trade.

Minny is likely to be a 2nd apron team and will want to bring Reid and possibly NAW back.

The cost to get under the 2nd apron was pretty steep this past year. How would you feel about offering most of the MLE for DDV, and then a secondary trade where we offer Livingston and 2 2nds for TSJ.

Maybe Minny gives up too much, but they would cut down their salary by 11M and I think would be under the 2nd apron.

We could then use the remainder of the MLE to offer Rollins a longer term contract.

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