PG Indy: Bucks on the brink

[MissKhriddleton]

We needed everyone healthy to have a shot at getting out of the first round. Just a shot. That, and the regular season should have been the clues for all of us that this would be the outcome this season. Doc was a lot worse than I imagined he'd be, though.

Gil Arenas tried to tell us.

And Spike and Mike on Rights to Rickey Sanchez pod. Those guys put us on life support once it was announced Doc was the coach here. Always trust the super local fans. They know the real story on stuff.

I feel like 90 percent of the posters here weren't too keen on Doc before or after the hire. Maybe one of the few uniting forces on the board the last few years.

I was a huge proponent of the Doc hire because it felt like we just needed an adult in the room who would allow Giannis and Dame to do their thing and implement a defensive game plan suited to our strengths. It turns out the talent on this team was incredibly overrated.

33 year old SG whose been a walking injury
35 year old PG
37 year old center

Father Time is undefeated as they say. We’d have the same result with Jrue. And our young talent sucks. Watch 90% of other teams and you’ll see what actual quality role players look like.

Needed more foresight to avoid where we are now but the championship ironically sunk this team’s future.

[ShootingtheJ]

This season Khris sat out the first 20+ games of the season then played with minutes restrictions the rest of the year. He didn’t play back to backs and he had multiple stretches where he sat out multiple games. All self imposed.

All time Buck, but he is not Kawhi. He can’t move anymore. His legs are shot. That’s why his shooting has fallen off a cliff as well. He doesn’t trust his body and it seems pretty evident that his reputationfor not exactly being a gym rat has caught up to him.

He had a 63TS% as a Buck and was .6 VORP in just 23 games before the trade. He played in a back to back, and never missed more than 1 game after his return. There wasn't a single stretch he sat out multiple games after his return, much less multiple.

He finished the season 2 VORP more than Kyle Kuzma.

Brook when he was just about to turn 37 had a whole month averaging 60/40/80 playing over 30 mins a game but because you don’t like him we know it’s crickets from you.

Yup, because I knew he'd be a massive playoff liability. Guess what? I was right. The fact the Horst has repeatedly built this team for regular season only is sickening. We're stuck with Kyle Kuzma largely because Horst gave $48 million to a known playoff liability.

The Bucks are significantly better when they play Sims at center. He was the Knicks 4th stringer.

[VooDoo7]

He's worse than Jason Kidd.

[HKPackFan]

He's worse than Jason Kidd.

**** you jason kidd!
**** you Doc!

And **** you too George Karl!

[Bucksmaniac]

He had a 63TS% as a Buck and was .6 VORP in just 23 games before the trade. He played in a back to back, and never missed more than 1 game after his return. There wasn't a single stretch he sat out multiple games after his return, much less multiple.

He finished the season 2 VORP more than Kyle Kuzma.

Brook when he was just about to turn 37 had a whole month averaging 60/40/80 playing over 30 mins a game but because you don’t like him we know it’s crickets from you.

Yup, because I knew he'd be a massive playoff liability. Guess what? I was right. The fact the Horst has repeatedly built this team for regular season only is sickening. We're stuck with Kyle Kuzma largely because Horst gave $48 million to a known playoff liability.

The Bucks are significantly better when they play Sims at center. He was the Knicks 4th stringer.

It’s likely Doc who forced that Kuzma trades based on the information we have. It seems Horst’s biggest issue is not being pushy enough when he has good ideas (ie. Atkinson over Doc for coach) and taking risks for quick fixes in Dame over Jrue.

[VooDoo7]

He's worse than Jason Kidd.

**** you jason kidd!
**** you Doc!

And **** you too George Karl!

The Triple Crown.

Hate is a strong word. There's plenty of coaches/managers in Wisconsin sports history who I didn't like. But those 3 definitely earned the "hate" label.

[paulpressey25]

Needed more foresight to avoid where we are now but the championship ironically sunk this team’s future.

We made plenty of stupid moves post 2021. The vet they needed to keep was PJ, at least for 2022. He would have gotten us past Boston.

[ShootingtheJ]

Brook when he was just about to turn 37 had a whole month averaging 60/40/80 playing over 30 mins a game but because you don’t like him we know it’s crickets from you.

Yup, because I knew he'd be a massive playoff liability. Guess what? I was right. The fact the Horst has repeatedly built this team for regular season only is sickening. We're stuck with Kyle Kuzma largely because Horst gave $48 million to a known playoff liability.

The Bucks are significantly better when they play Sims at center. He was the Knicks 4th stringer.

It’s likely Doc who forced that Kuzma trades based on the information we have. It seems Horst’s biggest issue is not being pushy enough when he has good ideas (ie. Atkinson over Doc for coach) and taking risks for quick fixes in Dame over Jrue.

Horst was a smug A hole after the deal, he thought he really pulled off a steal.

[German Athens]

Needed more foresight to avoid where we are now but the championship ironically sunk this team’s future.

We made plenty of stupid moves post 2021. The vet they needed to keep was PJ, at least for 2022. He would have gotten us past Boston.

And that’s with our 2nd best player still going down.

We balked over 2.5M after already triggering the luxury tax.

[SirChurros]

Firing coaches is easy. Doc will be canned by the end of the week, assuming we lose another game.

I think this is some very wishful thinking. The Dame injury also just gives him another excuse to use in his black magic pleas to the front office.

[MissKhriddleton]

Needed more foresight to avoid where we are now but the championship ironically sunk this team’s future.

We made plenty of stupid moves post 2021. The vet they needed to keep was PJ, at least for 2022. He would have gotten us past Boston.

Maybe, but Khris, Jrue, and Brook were all at peak value as soon as the trophy was lifted. Could have shipped each of them out and retooled for another 5-10 year window but we effectively couldn’t because how could you do that to a group that just won the first title in 50 years.

Letting feelings affect your personnel moves always **** you over. Always. Bout to see it now with Giannis.

[German Athens]

If we just watched Giannis walk off the court to golf claps as his last game in Milwaukee as a Buck


(Deep Breath)

I’m in a dark place, man.

[Bernman]

Needed more foresight to avoid where we are now but the championship ironically sunk this team’s future.

We made plenty of stupid moves post 2021. The vet they needed to keep was PJ, at least for 2022. He would have gotten us past Boston.

We couldn't make a shot in '22. PJ averaged like 4 pts in the playoffs in '21. So it was more about going down a different avenue than Jrue (he's 1 of a # I suggested at the time, for 2 picks instead of 4). Hitting in the draft better. Making better value trades. Not having bad injury luck.

[German Athens]

We played 4 minutes and 20 seconds of the KPJ, GTJ, Dairy, Bobby, Giannis lineup and it was -1 overall in that time period.

Bobby had a rough defensive game, and too much was breaking down, but at that point we should have swung into the same lineup above but with Sims and that group never saw the court together.

[German Athens]

Indy is a very precise offense. They’re an algorithm, but they aren’t insurmountable. They target weak links through the pass, and wait until we make a mistake.

We so often didn’t even switch properly yesterday. That’s just communication and focus. We were reliably a half second behind the play, and we just died over and over.

[Bernman]

Indy is a very precise offense. They’re an algorithm, but they aren’t insurmountable. They target weak links through the pass, and wait until we make a mistake.

We so often didn’t even switch properly yesterday. That’s just communication and focus. We were reliably a half second behind the play, and we just died over and over.

I think that was part a psychological issue, between Dame's injury, & yet another bad start from the terrible lineup choices. Players have to eventually be disillusioned from a coach they have no confidence in to put them in positions to succeed.

[German Athens]

Indy is a very precise offense. They’re an algorithm, but they aren’t insurmountable. They target weak links through the pass, and wait until we make a mistake.

We so often didn’t even switch properly yesterday. That’s just communication and focus. We were reliably a half second behind the play, and we just died over and over.

I think that was part a psychological issue, between Dame's injury, & yet another bad start from the terrible lineup choices. Players have to eventually be disillusioned from a coach they have no confidence in to put them in positions to succeed.

Yeah, it might have been. We look shell shocked against the Hawks when Giannis went down in 21, and then came out with a ton of fire the remainder of the series.

I’m just not sure that type of fight is even in this group, though. And that’s before the ineptitude of the coach and some of the players.

[German Athens]

I do think coming out and immediately pressing them instead of letting them get practice shots from the outside could have caused Indy to tighten up, and maybe the game turns into a very different one, but who knows.

[kanyon]

If we just watched Giannis walk off the court to golf claps as his last game in Milwaukee as a Buck


(Deep Breath)

I’m in a dark place, man.

That game was pretty deflating--that really would be awful. People were leaving with like half the 4th quarter to go.

[ShootingtheJ]

Needed more foresight to avoid where we are now but the championship ironically sunk this team’s future.

We made plenty of stupid moves post 2021. The vet they needed to keep was PJ, at least for 2022. He would have gotten us past Boston.

We couldn't make a shot in '22. PJ averaged like 4 pts in the playoffs in '21. So it was more about going down a different avenue than Jrue (he's 1 of a # I suggested at the time, for 2 picks instead of 4). Hitting in the draft better. Making better value trades. Not having bad injury luck.

Yeah, we needed the opposite of PJ. We needed complete players. We needed to sign the right players to the MLE each year. We needed to sign actual prospects to 2 ways. The right draft picks. Simply fill out the end of the roster with younger castoffs rather than old scrubs.