PG Toronto: Cole Anthony!

[BigO]

Are we gonna do the same thing we do with Bobby early in the season every year? Act like he'll never play well again and plot to dump him? Only the have roll late in the season and watch his lineups dominate in the playoffs?

Come on guys, learn from your mistakes.

This 1000%.

1) Those on here who say BP and Kuzma are similar have never watched a game. They have opposite skills.

2) Those saying BP is a turnstyle must have been throwing things at Marques last night for praising BP for guarding his man out on the court.

3) BP is not a rim protector and never has been. So when you have guys like Anthony and Trent getting blown by, don't expect BP to erase their mistakes.

4) BP has been playing in crunch time in both games, so he's obviously valued.

5) Too many on here judge players solely on their offense (except apparently for BP). The Bucks guards are still getting blown by and Anthony has been the biggest culprit. He has been playing well on offense.

[MickeyDavis]

Not that Kuzma is much of a difference maker but two sprained ankles (Porter Jr and Kuzma) in two games is concerning.

He was pretty good last night. He'll be missed the next 2 games or however long he's out. I believe both KPJ and Kuz got hurt stepping on Bobby's foot.

[fan230]

He also picked up fouls at the speed of light. He was getting the same quality of shots with the non-starters on the court. He shot wide open 3s and shot his back down iso long 2s. My biggest problem with Bobby is that he offers you nothing defensively and he is rebounding poorly. We can't get stops with him in the game, so him not scoring means he is going to be a net negative.

Yep, glad someone else noticed... he's a traffic cone. We were desperate to soak up min at the 5 until Turner could come close the game. I wonder if we're scared to have Sims with GA... Not enough shooting?

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I’d try Sims. He can play D and catch lobs.

Perhaps also try Pete Nance…

[paulpressey25]

Good thing that Amir Coffey contract isn't guaranteed. He doesn't need to be here long. We should just replace him with a young project, because he won't be helping us.

Let’s see if he can play himself into shape. But he’s looked lost out there in his limited minutes

So suddenly this is the year he doesn't round in to form? Nah, we've seen this movie before.

Bobby as the backup 4/5 is going to be one of the strengths of this team again.

You’re so Bobby defensive you didn’t realize I was talking about Coffey.

[Ron Swanson]

Huge to pull out the W with the next 3 looking like it could get rough. Kuzma going down is kinda a big deal when we’re already down another ball-handler/creator. Absolutely can’t have Lineup Killer Bobby making an appearance in this early portion of the season with the injuries, and if he does we need to put Sims in there for the non-Giannis minutes. We’ll need his offense.

[ShootingtheJ]

Let’s see if he can play himself into shape. But he’s looked lost out there in his limited minutes

So suddenly this is the year he doesn't round in to form? Nah, we've seen this movie before.

Bobby as the backup 4/5 is going to be one of the strengths of this team again.

You’re so Bobby defensive you didn’t realize I was talking about Coffey.

Yup, oops! Sorry man!

[ShootingtheJ]

Are we gonna do the same thing we do with Bobby early in the season every year? Act like he'll never play well again and plot to dump him? Only the have roll late in the season and watch his lineups dominate in the playoffs?

Come on guys, learn from your mistakes.

This 1000%.

1) Those on here who say BP and Kuzma are similar have never watched a game. They have opposite skills.

2) Those saying BP is a turnstyle must have been throwing things at Marques last night for praising BP for guarding his man out on the court.

3) BP is not a rim protector and never has been. So when you have guys like Anthony and Trent getting blown by, don't expect BP to erase their mistakes.

4) BP has been playing in crunch time in both games, so he's obviously valued.

5) Too many on here judge players solely on their offense (except apparently for BP). The Bucks guards are still getting blown by and Anthony has been the biggest culprit. He has been playing well on offense.

Agreed that Anthony needs to get his butt down and get ready to slide. Way too many blow bys. Great offensive game, but he needs to play both ends.

[BUCKnation]

Still a little skeptical on Cole (he’s had plenty of huge games in the past with no consistency) but maybe Cole away from that terrible Orlando offense and spacing may be real in terms of playmaking.

[BigO]

I also don't want to let Green off the hook. He's got to get more than 5 shots off to be of value. The game before he only had 6 shots. A shooting guard has to have more of a presence. Sam Merrill has gotten off 11 shots in each of the first two games. Green needs to get to that level.

It's not enough to say Green's mere presence keeps the other team's defense honest. Doc has to set him up for more shots and Green has to attack the closeouts. He did that once in the first game but rarely does.

He is being attacked on defense by bigger guards/forwards, but he's been no worse than the other Buck guards on defense, with the possible exception of Rollins.

[MickeyDavis]

Still a little skeptical on Cole (he’s had plenty of huge games in the past with no consistency) but maybe Cole away from that terrible Orlando offense and spacing may be real in terms of playmaking.

He'll certainly have some bad games. There's a reason he was available for the minimum. But yes, a different system could make a difference.

[Matches Malone]

It's been pretty fun watching all the Pacer fans melt down over Myles Turner on X, critiquing his box score instead of watching the games or "hate watching" instead of being fair. He's been awesome on defense, his switching and ability to protect the rim have helped transform the team, but they're over here crying that he's only getting so many points/rebounds so far lol.

[jute2003]

Even when bobby is going well...he still sucks at defense. Its not an early season thing. He's not a defender.

[MickeyDavis]

It's been pretty fun watching all the Pacer fans melt down over Myles Turner on X, critiquing his box score instead of watching the games or "hate watching" instead of being fair. He's been awesome on defense, his switching and ability to protect the rim have helped transform the team, but they're over here crying that he's only getting so many points/rebounds so far lol.

They'll be salty for years. Turner is a good fit for this team. Critiquing players solely on the box score is ridiculous. Something that's done on this board occasionally too.

[ShootingtheJ]

Even when bobby is going well...he still sucks at defense. Its not an early season thing. He's not a defender.

Statistically well above average in isolation, making him a good fit for a switching defense. Yes, he's not in any way a rim protector, yet the Bucks defense was a tick better last year with Bobby on than Brook on, and Brook was outstanding at the rim.

Not in anyway saying he's a good defender, but Trent, Prince, and Anthony don't get any flack for their defensive shortcomings.

It's hard to find people perfect players for less than the MLE.

[ShootingtheJ]

It's been pretty fun watching all the Pacer fans melt down over Myles Turner on X, critiquing his box score instead of watching the games or "hate watching" instead of being fair. He's been awesome on defense, his switching and ability to protect the rim have helped transform the team, but they're over here crying that he's only getting so many points/rebounds so far lol.

They'll be salty for years. Turner is a good fit for this team. Critiquing players solely on the box score is ridiculous. Something that's done on this board occasionally too.

Yup. Doc has talked extensively about how Turner's instinctive cutting has opened up 3 point shooters. That wasn't the case with plodding Brook. There's no stat for a cut assist, but it has value.

[Balls2TheWalls]

The hand wringing with Kuzma so far this year juxtaposed with the defense of Bobby does not make sense to me. Bobby has been terrible. Him "never being a rim protector," does not help when we need him to be able to put in real minutes at the 5. If he doesn't make sense for what we need defensively, then we need to give Sims minutes there. You can still play Bobby at the 4. Outside of Rollins, we currently do not have a guard capable of staying in front of faster, younger, guards. When KPJ gets back it will be different.

Losing KPJ and Kuzma to ankle injuries is going to open us up to seeing guys on the court we were hoping not to see. I am hoping that Kuzma's is shorter term and that we don't see a lot of Ajax minutes.

[tedbrogen]

Even when bobby is going well...he still sucks at defense. Its not an early season thing. He's not a defender.

Statistically well above average in isolation, making him a good fit for a switching defense. Yes, he's not in any way a rim protector, yet the Bucks defense was a tick better last year with Bobby on than Brook on, and Brook was outstanding at the rim.

Not in anyway saying he's a good defender, but Trent, Prince, and Anthony don't get any flack for their defensive shortcomings.

It's hard to find people perfect players for less than the MLE.

Bobby may have been above average in isolation in the past but he was getting cooked last night. He’s 30 now so it’s very possible he is a step slower as he was never an elite athlete.

Being a big that can’t defend the rim is already an issue. If he keeps playing D as poorly as he has the last two games, that’s a massive issue.

[tedbrogen]

The hand wringing with Kuzma so far this year juxtaposed with the defense of Bobby does not make sense to me. Bobby has been terrible. Him "never being a rim protector," does not help when we need him to be able to put in real minutes at the 5. If he doesn't make sense for what we need defensively, then we need to give Sims minutes there. You can still play Bobby at the 4. Outside of Rollins, we currently do not have a guard capable of staying in front of faster, younger, guards. When KPJ gets back it will be different.

Losing KPJ and Kuzma to ankle injuries is going to open us up to seeing guys on the court we were hoping not to see. I am hoping that Kuzma's is shorter term and that we don't see a lot of Ajax minutes.

Some of the guards looked bad last night because they were out there with Bobby when the Rangers were spamming PnR with Bobby’s guy. Bobby was trying to hedge and recover but his feet were so slow he was basically setting a second screen on the Bucks guards.

[Prez]

We have a chance to be really really damn good defensively if they can flip Bobby + the '31 1st for a starting caliber defensive wing. It's the main gap on the roster at the moment and Bobby is by a mile the biggest defensive problem in the rotation, two birds one stone. The rest of the roster is filled with high energy guys who are committed on that end, and then you have Bobby who just wrecks it.

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[midranger]

We have a chance to be really really damn good defensively if they can flip Bobby + the '31 1st for a starting caliber defensive wing. It's the main gap on the roster at the moment and Bobby is by a mile the biggest defensive problem in the rotation, two birds one stone. The rest of the roster is filled with high energy guys who are committed on that end, and then you have Bobby who just wrecks it.

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He looks very Drew Gooden thus far