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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1601 » by H2tObes » Tue Jun 7, 2016 9:48 pm

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I am almost 100% sure that there is no way he would get to be the captain of Greece's national team, when it still has players like Ioannis Bourousis and Stratos Perperoglou on it. No way are they making any 21 year old captain of a national team with veteran leaders like that still on the team.

Just because Spanoulis and Zisis are not playing, does not mean that he would be Greece's captain. I can't even imagine how they could give him that over someone like Bourousis for example.

He is the best player on the team by a long shot and probably will be until he is close to retirement. Give him the leadership role now and let the team grow with him year by year, no reason to delay.


No offense, but I don't think you understand what a team captain is. And rarely is the best player on the team also the team captain. Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas were never ever the captain of Greece's national team, and in Spanoulis' case, he was the best player and leader of the team for years.

Giannis is much better than anybody else on the team and already shows signs of being a leader. Just give him the leadership role early and watch him blossom into the best captain the team has ever had, just put 100% of your trust in Giannis and reap the rewards.

Of course I know what it means to be a team captain, you usually want a team captain to have seniority. Giannis has a chance to be a top 5 player IN THE WORLD though, this is a little different
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1602 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Jun 7, 2016 9:49 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:Where's this coming from? I didn't get that in the 24.gr NBA article, so I'm guessing this is insider stuff(?). Are the non-basketball reasons known, can they be shared?

Just let "John" Antetokounmpo lead Greece to the Olympics, Bucks' decision makers. He can still work on his game & keep a 11,317 shot a day regimen while training with the national team. Send some of the staff with him.

Don't sow any bitter feelings moving forward. He's proven himself a diligent worker & able to make strides, trust his instinct.
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The Greek media hounds the living hell out of Greece's national team. They have very, very little time to practice because of it. Usually, the most well known player of the team has to mainly deal with the media. Example, Spanoulis had endless hours upon hours of time last year he had to dedicate to talking to the media, and struggled to even get in an hour of free time for basketball a day while with the team. Now I would assume Antetokounmpo would have to take that role.

Greece's federation thinks having the media endlessly hound the national team is a good thing, because they think it "motivates the players". But all it does is cause an enormous distraction to the team. Like Team USA has complete control over the media access, the media has complete control over Team Greece.

So don't expect Antetokounmpo to be having all day to work on his game if he is on the national team. Especially not when they are training in Athens, or at an official tournament.

H2tObes wrote:He is the best player on the team by a long shot and probably will be until he is close to retirement. Give him the leadership role now and let the team grow with him year by year, no reason to delay.


H2tObes wrote:Giannis is much better than anybody else on the team and already shows signs of being a leader. Just give him the leadership role early and watch him blossom into the best captain the team has ever had, just put 100% of your trust in Giannis and reap the rewards.


The coach does not give the captain position. It's not even his decision to make. This is an elite European national team, not some fly by night amateur rec team. You don't just get handed the captain position. I seriously doubt that any big European national team would make him their captain.

That's just a reality. There is no point in even arguing about that. And again, being the best player of the team is not even a consideration. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Spanoulis was not even the captain of the team ever, even a guy like Fotsis was chosen as captain over him. Even after that, Zisis (Spanoulis' Robin) was the captain. Being the best player on the team isn't even a part of the equation.

Like I said, Diamantidis, Papaloukas, and Spanoulis - not a one of them was ever the team's captain. Being the team captain has literally zero to do with who is the best player on the team. 2005, 2006, 2007 era, Greece had players like,

Spanoulis
Zisis
Diamantidis
Papaloukas
Dikoudis
Schortsanitis
Fotsis
Tsartsaris
Bourousis

and Kakiouzis was the captain of the team. Kakiouzis was a very good player, but he was never more than like the 7-8 best player on the national team. So then why in the world was he the team's captain, if it is based on who is the best player, gets to be the team captain?

turbostef wrote:If Giannis is the team leader and future of the Greek NT AND the Bucks, and the development of Giannis is
crucial for both the Bucks and the Greek NT why wouldn't Kidd just take over the coaching of the Greek NT? :lol:

I am sure most of the Bucks Fans would not recommend this but most of them don't know Coach Katsikaris :lol:)


The first and foremost job of the Greek national team coach is to be the puppet of Vassilakopoulos (Greek basketball federation President), and to do whatever he tells you to do. There is literally zero chance in hell that as long as Vassilakopoulos is running the Greek federation, that any American coach would even be considered.

Just like as long as he is running the federation, no actually competent Greek coach (Giannakis, Bartzokas, Priftis, Itoudis, Sfairopoulos) will ever be allowed near Greece's national team. I mean let's get real here, even someone like Pedoulakis is a better coach than Katsikaris by light years.

Greece NT will never have a competent coach as long as Vassilakopoulos is in charge, because he won't allow anyone near the team that won't just be a pure puppet coach for him.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1603 » by truly » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:05 pm

Can someone plz ban the spanoulis stalker from this thread?

(i have never commented for the past 2 years i ve been reading this forum but i still cant take this,please send help)

and since i dont want to spam disregard everything this guy posted.saying giannis cant practice because the media control(!) the team is beyond laughable.

giannis isnt going to be the team captain but its fine.he is still very young and i expect he will naturally take this role as he becomes better over the years.btw bourousis who will probably be the captain had a very good year and has said that he would like to try playing in the NBA.i think you should try him as a backup C especially if plumlee gets more than 10/year.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1604 » by GeoBar » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:07 pm

Get out here
Nobody's working like Giannis
He was in L.A. for 10 days working with a specialist right after the season is over.
And he was every day at the gym while he was in Greece for almost 3 weeks(Sundays included) no matter if he was tired after the Antetokounmbros events.
Bucks' assistant coach(Sweeney) was with him both in L.A. and in Greece.
There is nothing to distract him from his goal.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1605 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:12 pm

GeoBar wrote:Get out here
Nobody's working like Giannis
He was in L.A. for 10 days working with a specialist right after the season is over.
And he was every day at the gym while he was in Greece for almost 3 weeks(Sundays included) no matter if he was tired after the Antetokounmbros events.
Bucks' assistant coach(Sweeney) was with him both in L.A. and in Greece.
There is nothing to distract him from his goal.


None of that has anything to do with Greece's national team media obligations. The media has almost unlimited access to the national team, and Zisis, Spanoulis, and Bourousis have complained dozens of times that their training regimens were greatly disturbed by how many interviews they had to do. This is a fact, and Giannis' free time training away from the national team has zero relation to this fact.

He won't have time to shoot 10,000 jump shots a day while in Greece's national team, as some here are speculating. That's a fact. I am merely pointing that out, as some people here don't seem to be aware of the dynamics involved.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1606 » by GeoBar » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:32 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
GeoBar wrote:Get out here
Nobody's working like Giannis
He was in L.A. for 10 days working with a specialist right after the season is over.
And he was every day at the gym while he was in Greece for almost 3 weeks(Sundays included) no matter if he was tired after the Antetokounmbros events.
Bucks' assistant coach(Sweeney) was with him both in L.A. and in Greece.
There is nothing to distract him from his goal.


None of that has anything to do with Greece's national team media obligations. The media has almost unlimited access to the national team, and Zisis, Spanoulis, and Bourousis have complained dozens of times that their training regimens were greatly disturbed by how many interviews they had to do. This is a fact, and Giannis' free time training away from the national team has zero relation to this fact.

He won't have time to shoot 10,000 jump shots a day while in Greece's national team, as some here are speculating. That's a fact. I am merely pointing that out, as some people here don't seem to be aware of the dynamics involved.



What are u talking about
Of course every player has media obligations.And especially Giannis who's the star of the team.
That doesn't mean he doesn't continue to work on his game.
I know exactly how the things working here.I m 53 y.o. and i follow the NT for almost 40 years.
Also nobody was speculated for 10000 jump shots a day...you mean 1000...because you need almost 12 hours to shot 10000 jumpshots a day if you hit one every 4-5 sec.
Anyway if you really interesting about Giannis' improvement and want him to succeed then believe me he will not dissapoint you.
Just hope you don't bring up again that he is lying about his age.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1607 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:45 pm

GeoBar wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
GeoBar wrote:Get out here
Nobody's working like Giannis
He was in L.A. for 10 days working with a specialist right after the season is over.
And he was every day at the gym while he was in Greece for almost 3 weeks(Sundays included) no matter if he was tired after the Antetokounmbros events.
Bucks' assistant coach(Sweeney) was with him both in L.A. and in Greece.
There is nothing to distract him from his goal.


None of that has anything to do with Greece's national team media obligations. The media has almost unlimited access to the national team, and Zisis, Spanoulis, and Bourousis have complained dozens of times that their training regimens were greatly disturbed by how many interviews they had to do. This is a fact, and Giannis' free time training away from the national team has zero relation to this fact.

He won't have time to shoot 10,000 jump shots a day while in Greece's national team, as some here are speculating. That's a fact. I am merely pointing that out, as some people here don't seem to be aware of the dynamics involved.



What are u talking about
Of course every player has media obligations.And especially Giannis who's the star of the team.
That doesn't mean he doesn't continue to work on his game.
I know exactly how the things working here.I m 53 y.o. and i follow the NT for almost 40 years.
Also nobody was speculated for 10000 jump shots a day...you mean 1000...because you need almost 12 hours to shot 10000 jumpshots a day if you hit one every 4-5 sec.
Anyway if you really interesting about Giannis' improvement and want him to succeed then believe me he will not dissapoint you.
Just hope you don't bring up again that he is lying about his age.


1. A couple of people in the thread said about him being able to shoot 10,000 shots a day while on Greece's national team.

2. I never once said anything about Antetokounmpo not working on his game. I never ever in my life said that. If you can find where I said such a thing, feel free to post it here.

Excuse me for simply informing some of the American Bucks NBA fans here, that he would not have unlimited practice time while with Greece's national team. I am sorry for simply informing them of that quite pertinent information to the topic at hand.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1608 » by Prez » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:49 pm

Relax, guys. Giannis is the face of Greek basketball and by far the best player on the Greek NT, he'll put in the necessary work.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1609 » by Fresh_Prince12 » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:50 pm

GeoBar wrote:Get out here
Nobody's working like Giannis
He was in L.A. for 10 days working with a specialist right after the season is over.
And he was every day at the gym while he was in Greece for almost 3 weeks(Sundays included) no matter if he was tired after the Antetokounmbros events.
Bucks' assistant coach(Sweeney) was with him both in L.A. and in Greece.
There is nothing to distract him from his goal.




Yah, I don't care how gifted Giannis is athletically. That kind of schedule will break down your body.
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Post#1610 » by fansinceforever » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:57 pm

I really hope he's held out of the Olympic games, honestly. There's no upside there for us.

Just work on your jumper and fine tune other areas of your game.
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Post#1611 » by yannisk » Tue Jun 7, 2016 11:03 pm

I can't imagine how devastated Mirotic12 will be when Spanoulis retires :)
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Post#1612 » by GeoBar » Tue Jun 7, 2016 11:05 pm

1.I told you...its imposible to shot 10000 js a day...has ever someone did that?...you need 12 hours...without a single break.

2.You didn't say that he is not working but you saying that he will be distracted from the media.And that's not true.

Also i am not a big fan of Giannis coming this summer in GREECE for the NT like other Greeks here(i respect that by the way)
I know the kid very well.And i know that he wants to play for his country and for the Greek fans.
But i am afraid that if anything goes wrong and the team doesn't qualified for the Olympics(which is quite possible) many people here(in GREECE) will blame him.And i am talking about the same people who didn't want him to wear the NT'S jersey for not basketball related reasons if you know what i mean.
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Post#1613 » by Beorn » Tue Jun 7, 2016 11:08 pm

don't bother with Miro12 guys, he's a well known troll in more than one forum.
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Post#1615 » by Bucks4Milwaukee » Wed Jun 8, 2016 12:14 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
GeoBar wrote:Get out here
Nobody's working like Giannis
He was in L.A. for 10 days working with a specialist right after the season is over.
And he was every day at the gym while he was in Greece for almost 3 weeks(Sundays included) no matter if he was tired after the Antetokounmbros events.
Bucks' assistant coach(Sweeney) was with him both in L.A. and in Greece.
There is nothing to distract him from his goal.


None of that has anything to do with Greece's national team media obligations. The media has almost unlimited access to the national team, and Zisis, Spanoulis, and Bourousis have complained dozens of times that their training regimens were greatly disturbed by how many interviews they had to do. This is a fact, and Giannis' free time training away from the national team has zero relation to this fact.

He won't have time to shoot 10,000 jump shots a day while in Greece's national team, as some here are speculating. That's a fact. I am merely pointing that out, as some people here don't seem to be aware of the dynamics involved.


Nothing Greek NT belongs in this thread at all expect Giannis. No American cares about you're team, they care about Giannis. No offense, but I can't believe this thread has been allowed to be filled with so much crap either. Giannis will be the captain if he wants to be. He'll play for the national team if he wants to. All I care about is following Giannis' stats when he does play. He's going to win a championship for the Bucks, not the Greek NT.

Argue about Giannis, that's it. Every other post about your national team doesn't belong here. It belongs on your Greek NT forums...

About Giannis recent statements about being loyal to Milwaukee and his aspirations for a championship are great. The kid has drive to be the best. Only he or injury can stop that. He's like the modern day Penny Hardaway.. On steroids!

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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1616 » by imithanos » Wed Jun 8, 2016 12:28 am

Beorn wrote:don't bother with Miro12 guys, he's a well known troll in more than one forum.


+1
On the general board he was mentioning Giannis being older than he is. Apparently a citizen of a european country, can fake his age, because his parents come from Nigeria and regardless the fact he was born in Greece. :lol: :roll: :crazy:

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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#1617 » by har13 » Wed Jun 8, 2016 12:35 am

Mirotic12 is the reason many people hate Greek players...
i dont know if he is Greek but he is a liar.. a big one
And my friend Mirotic12 or Euroleague or.. don't call yourself a Panathinaikos fan..nobody believe you
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Post#1618 » by ZeppelinPage » Wed Jun 8, 2016 12:39 am

Lol @ Giannis faking his age
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Post#1619 » by AussieBuck » Wed Jun 8, 2016 2:10 am

Beorn wrote:don't bother with Miro12 guys, he's a well known troll in more than one forum.

We know who he is, it's fun watching him try to impose his stupid opinions all over the internet like anyone cares about his favourite Greek league players. He's not very bright for a guy with an IQ of 197. :D
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Post#1620 » by LedZepp007 » Wed Jun 8, 2016 2:11 am

I don't really want him to play for Greece, but he's going to and I respect him for that. I'll try to root for Greece, but, ****, your system is all kinds of **** up. Let Giannis facilitate and key the defense. If you have halfway decent shooters, you should do well.


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