Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

[German Athens]

A couple of new Bucks and an old Buck on the list.
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-storylines-biggest-changes-usage-rate

Was looking up Dame's BR page to compare his USG with Holiday on the Bucks. Glitched out on his page, not Jrue's. So I couldn't get a look.

But Holiday handled a fair amount last year & in the previous playoffs. Dame should at least clear that.

FWIW, I'm not sure USG% is what you think it is. It's largely calculated on shot attempts, free throw attempts, and turnovers relative to team attempts. Just with the time he spends at the line, he'll clear him by a significant margin.

Yeah, I think it’s pretty widely misunderstood. I’ve seen it incorrectly referenced a few times on broadcasts as well.

You could in theory lead the league in usage if you just caught and finished lobs, but your time of possession in those plays would be minuscule.

[RiotPunch]

I think we'd have to include the Portland 2nd in that trade since were getting the best player and a prospect. Hate trading Bobby but I'd do it since that trade makes us a better playoff team.

Maybe. But in a vacuum, Bobby and Caruso are near equals, IMO.

I would still do it, though. #31-34 is not a dealbreaker.

Any way to do this with out Bobby, I know he has his warts but he seems like a glue guy who gives us positive minutes. plus he's a big and we really don't have any on the team after him .

I would love to keep Bobby, but Pat/MarJon/PDX 2nd isn't getting Caruso, in my opinion. Hope I'm wrong, Horst has swindled GM's before.

[ShootingtheJ]

Maybe. But in a vacuum, Bobby and Caruso are near equals, IMO.

I would still do it, though. #31-34 is not a dealbreaker.

Any way to do this with out Bobby, I know he has his warts but he seems like a glue guy who gives us positive minutes. plus he's a big and we really don't have any on the team after him .

I would love to keep Bobby, but Pat/MarJon/PDX 2nd isn't getting Caruso, in my opinion. Hope I'm wrong, Horst has swindled GM's before.

I doubt OKC does it, but Jaylin Williams is really interesting as a Bobby replacement. I just don't see OKC making a short term move yet.

[RiotPunch]

Any way to do this with out Bobby, I know he has his warts but he seems like a glue guy who gives us positive minutes. plus he's a big and we really don't have any on the team after him .

I would love to keep Bobby, but Pat/MarJon/PDX 2nd isn't getting Caruso, in my opinion. Hope I'm wrong, Horst has swindled GM's before.

I doubt OKC does it, but Jaylin Williams is really interesting as a Bobby replacement. I just don't see OKC making a short term move yet.

Yeah, I could maybe see them get thirsty for a playoff push and cash in on lower-level assets for a rotational upgrade like Bobby. Not likely, agreed. Jaylin has a ton of untapped potential. Versatile defender, can hit 3's, etc.

[tedbrogen]

OKC isn’t moving Jaylin for a guy Bobby’s level. In a package for a star to pair with SGA and Chet, sure, but not for a role player. Too much potential. They have a million picks to trade for role players.

[Neuromancer56]

I'm seeing improvement and adaptability from Griff. He is slowly starting to figure his players out. He's still far from being a good coach, but given time could he be a passable coach? Maybe? He listened to Dame and is keeping him in the entire first quarter to let Dame set the tone of the game, and to let him better figure out the defenses that will be thrown at the Bucks. The defense is improving. Brook is going to average 6 blocks a game. We're starting to unlock Beasley. I was all onboard the fire Griff immediately bandwagon. But I'm starting to see glimmers of hope. This is a championship or bust team. And we're not there yet, but maybe we could be? Griff is proving that he can learn from his mistakes at least some of the time.

[emunney]

OKC isn’t moving Jaylin for a guy Bobby’s level. In a package for a star to pair with SGA and Chet, sure, but not for a role player. Too much potential. They have a million picks to trade for role players.

I like Jaylin and OKC does, too, but the potential talk makes me think you're thinking about Jalen.

[tedbrogen]

OKC isn’t moving Jaylin for a guy Bobby’s level. In a package for a star to pair with SGA and Chet, sure, but not for a role player. Too much potential. They have a million picks to trade for role players.

I like Jaylin and OKC does, too, but the potential talk makes me think you're thinking about Jalen.

I very well could be.

[tedbrogen]

I'm seeing improvement and adaptability from Griff. He is slowly starting to figure his players out. He's still far from being a good coach, but given time could he be a passable coach? Maybe? He listened to Dame and is keeping him in the entire first quarter to let Dame set the tone of the game, and to let him better figure out the defenses that will be thrown at the Bucks. The defense is improving. Brook is going to average 6 blocks a game. We're starting to unlock Beasley. I was all onboard the fire Griff immediately bandwagon. But I'm starting to see glimmers of hope. This is a championship or bust team. And we're not there yet, but maybe we could be? Griff is proving that he can learn from his mistakes at least some of the time.

We’ll see how he handles the Mavs, Heat, and Celtics. You can fall behind the Hornets by 13 and it’s no big thing. Fall behind real teams by that amount and they are just as likely to bury you as you are to get back in the game.

Also these last two wins were against awful shooting teams. And they were still able to break down the perimeter defense. Brook was able to protect the rim and they couldn’t counter by hitting open threes. Let the Mavs, Heat, and Celtics breakdown your perimeter and you’ll get annihilated on threes.

Putting Beas on Ball is one thing but putting Beas on Luka, Tatum, and Jimmy is another. Interested to see what AG does but anticipating the worst.

[BigO]

Since this is a win now team, anyone interested in trading Beauchamp for Caruso (we'd need fill-in)? Caruso is shooting out of his mind so far.

[randy84]

Since this is a win now team, anyone interested in trading Beauchamp for Caruso (we'd need fill-in)? Caruso is shooting out of his mind so far.

Doesn't work, salaries don't match.

[tedbrogen]

Since this is a win now team, anyone interested in trading Beauchamp for Caruso (we'd need fill-in)? Caruso is shooting out of his mind so far.

Doesn't work, salaries don't match.

Yep, gotta send out Oat or Bobby in any Caruso deal.

[German Athens]

Since this is a win now team, anyone interested in trading Beauchamp for Caruso (we'd need fill-in)? Caruso is shooting out of his mind so far.

Doesn't work, salaries don't match.

He said we’d need fill-in. We could make it work.

[emunney]

Since this is a win now team, anyone interested in trading Beauchamp for Caruso (we'd need fill-in)? Caruso is shooting out of his mind so far.

Yes, but salaries mean it has to be a bigger trade with us giving up Pat or Bobby, so it'd depend on what else we'd get back.

[randy84]

Since this is a win now team, anyone interested in trading Beauchamp for Caruso (we'd need fill-in)? Caruso is shooting out of his mind so far.

Doesn't work, salaries don't match.

He said we’d need fill-in. We could make it work.

Then that changes things. If the question is would you trade Bobby and Marjon for Caruso, then I would probably say no. Bobby is going to be needed.

If the question is would you trade Pat and Marjon for Caruso, then I would say yes and ask why Chicago would want Pat who has a longer contract. I doubt MarJon has shown enough thus far that Chicago would take on Pat's contract just to get him.

[BigO]

Doesn't work, salaries don't match.

He said we’d need fill-in. We could make it work.

Then that changes things. If the question is would you trade Bobby and Marjon for Caruso, then I would probably say no. Bobby is going to be needed.

If the question is would you trade Pat and Marjon for Caruso, then I would say yes and ask why Chicago would want Pat who has a longer contract. I doubt MarJon has shown enough thus far that Chicago would take on Pat's contract just to get him.

Pat's salary matches perfectly. It certainly depends on how much they like Marjon. Caruso is going to be traded this year if this is a tear down. Portis is too valuable. One of our few guys who can create his own shot and our second best rebounder.

I don't think the Bucks will trade Pat because of his connections, but I would make this trade. It's nice to project a future for Beauchamp, but even if he were to become a borderline all-star, that doesn't help right now.

[tedbrogen]

I’d probably do Oat/Marjon/POR2nd for Caruso but I doubt the Bulls would. They’ll get a better offer that doesn’t have someone under contract for three years like Pat.

Maybe you loop in the Jazz who for some reason wanted Pat this off-season (maybe Ainge liked his playoff performance in 2019) and they send something to the Bulls. Not sure what that would be.

The concept of Dame, Caruso, Dre, Midds, Giannis is a tantalizing closing lineup.

[tedbrogen]

He said we’d need fill-in. We could make it work.

Then that changes things. If the question is would you trade Bobby and Marjon for Caruso, then I would probably say no. Bobby is going to be needed.

If the question is would you trade Pat and Marjon for Caruso, then I would say yes and ask why Chicago would want Pat who has a longer contract. I doubt MarJon has shown enough thus far that Chicago would take on Pat's contract just to get him.

Pat's salary matches perfectly. It certainly depends on how much they like Marjon. Caruso is going to be traded this year if this is a tear down. Portis is too valuable. One of our few guys who can create his own shot and our second best rebounder.

I don't think the Bucks will trade Pat because of his connections, but I would make this trade. It's nice to project a future for Beauchamp, but even if he were to become a borderline all-star, that doesn't help right now.

And that is a shame because his defense is legit terrible at this point. He used to be not great but you could have him in closing lineups as your worse defender and he wouldn’t get beat every time, but now he does and with Dame and Beas you got other bad defenders. At least those guys can be flamethrowers on offense.

Plus it would be better to just give Oat’s minutes to Dre and Dairy Bird since they both possess a skill that is greater than anything this version of Pat is bringing to the table.

[Shaffty]

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Bucks IN: Caruso / Moody
Warriors IN: Portis / AJ Green / Vucci / 2024 portland 2nd
Bulls IN: Wiggins

Dubs need size, Bulls get a 'star', Bucks a starting 2 guard and a fun wing

Bucks IN: Caruso
Kings IN: Portis/2024 portland 2nd
Bulls IN: Monk / 2026 1st

Bucks get Caruso, Kings get a better bench scorer, Bulls get a 1st

Bucks IN: Caruso / Hartenstien
Knicks IN: Portis / Pat / Jevon
Bulls IN: Fornier / 2 1sts / 2024 portland 2nd

Bucks get Caruso + back up center to replace portis. Knicks Get off Fornier, upgrade at back up center and get two more good role players, Bulls Full rebuild basically 3 1sts that portland 2nd will be pick 32-35

[Dick Tate]

The Bulls aren't going to be interested in a Bucks offer if they tear down. They'll want expirings and draft picks.