Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[GoBrewersGo]

miami did not make the finals because of lotto picks. neither did denver. neither did toronto. neither did the jazz. etc etc. losing our picks makes it tougher but 10 other picks with lots of salary flexibility over 3-4 years can still give us a bright future

Uhh what? Denver, the Jazz and Miami all have extremely important players that they acquired in the lottery.

Yep, plus, Toronto acquired Kawhi by trading 2 former lottery picks (DeRozan and Poeltl). Lottery picks do still matter, and yes, picking well at any point in the draft is important too.

[VooDoo7]

If I was Giannis, I'd take the money.

The guy is going to tear his ACL eventually from one of those 8ft euro steps.

WTF is wrong with you??

Anyways, even if we don't win a title in the next few year, I doubt Giannis asks for a trade. He's just THAT loyal.

Just a realist sir.

[RogerMurdock]

After reading this thread, I'm a little confused. Does Giannis suck or not?

[greekbuck34]

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

Do you also know that Giannis frequently shows bad decision making against top tier half court playoff defenses and a completely unreliable offensive game outside of 8 feet? Because that's as big a problem as almost anything you have listed there. Giannis flat out sucked against Miami and wasn't our best player in that series, arguably wasn't even 2nd.

This need to deflect all blame to the shooters, Bud, etc (who all deserve to be criticized to be sure) is weird considering Giannis is probably the worst offensive player in the playoffs among the superstar guys (Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Luka, Jokic, Davis) by some distance and the limitations in his game have been glaring in both elimination series.

Yet 2 years in a row it was bleds to blame not giannis doesnt matter if giannis sucked 2 years in a row in the playoffs or midds shoots 7-28 with 8 TOs it was all bleds fault .....hypocracy lots of it

This was our Bledsoe Wall the past two years.

This will most probably be our Donte Wall this year.


Teams don't even care about them. Have as many wide open 3s as you want while they triple team Giannis and put a quick defender on Khris. You can't beat us with mediocre shooters shooting.

Yet it's Giannis and Khris fault.

[paulpressey25]

There is a large penalty for breaking the lease (PP25 knows the exact figure), but I don't think it would be large enough to stop them from moving the team. Anyone with different information feel free to correct me.

Done all the calcs on this. They'd have no problem selling 51% of the team to a guy in Seattle for a $2 billion valuation (if that valuation would hold in a future market a couple years from now). They can then use the cash from Seattle guy (approx $1 billion) to pay off all their arena debts here (and local investors) and walk away clean. And they'd still hold 49% of the team under that scenario.

[Pachinko_]

After reading this thread, I'm a little confused. Does Giannis suck or not?

He sucks at some things. Question is if a team can deal with it and make it work with what Giannis is good at, or not.

It's very easy to keep listing the things Giannis "needs to improve on", but what happens if he doesn't? Because he probably won't, we should know this by now.

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[giannis and 1]

Btw I'm dissing the bucks because after the 4-1 defeat from the Heat I promised to himself not to take us seriously unless we fix the Bledsoe problem and surround Giannis with shooters that actually make their shots in the off season.

We did fix the Bledsoe problem but I'm still not sure about the "shooters" we got until I watch them play and make shots when it matters(playoffs). With Bud as a coach we need shooters in order to punish the wall and/or allow Giannis to drive. There is no plan B.

So I will not make the mistake and "hope" that they will do it this season. After 7 years as a bucks fan I know that hope is a mistake.

So they literally did what you wanted but you are going to wait until the playoffs to see if the new guys can hit a high clip in a small sample size so you dont rush judgement. Lol k

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

Lol we did not get worse at shooting. We got better at shooting and better at almost everything else.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

miami did not make the finals because of lotto picks. neither did denver. neither did toronto. neither did the jazz. etc etc. losing our picks makes it tougher but 10 other picks with lots of salary flexibility over 3-4 years can still give us a bright future

Uhh what? Denver, the Jazz and Miami all have extremely important players that they acquired in the lottery.

meh.. late lotto sure. i meant the term as the proverbial tank for that top 1-5 pick surefire superstar type. none of those teams and others were dependent on it whatsoever. the guys they have contributing you can get anywhere in the draft and most of their baller guys were late first or even 2nds. point was merely to suggest that a stable of picks outside of the "surefire" superstar player isnt necessary. and honestly the way the league has shifted small market teams built around shooting and defense can compete better than ever. maybe not compete for championships...... but if giannis leaves thats not why id watch anyway

[giannis and 1]

After reading this thread, I'm a little confused. Does Giannis suck or not?

Yes he sucks and everyone else sucks at everything. Everything sucks.

[Ron Swanson]

Giannis is a generational superstar so he should be held to the high standards of one. Don't really get the backlash every time someone brings up that he kind of, you know, sucked in the two most important series of his career thus far. I suppose it's just easier to tell yourself that the difference between winning a championship is Fred Van Vleet or Jae Crowder, or something? For every time you show a screen grab of guys leaving Eric Bledsoe wide open in the corner, you can find another where the ball should have gotten out to a better shooter 2-3 seconds sooner.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

After reading this thread, I'm a little confused. Does Giannis suck or not?

He sucks at some things. Question is if a team can deal with it and make it work with what Giannis is good at, or not.

It's very easy to keep listing the things Giannis "needs to improve on", but what happens if he doesn't? Because he probably won't, we should know this by now.

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if he doesnt improve then we need to trade him for a mega haul and ideally under contract. i do not think you can win with a player like him dominating the ball in the modern league. there is a frustration and anxiety i see in playoff crunchtime that makes me cringe. at the point of attack hes been outplayed by lowry and dragic. on the wing by leonard and butler.

he may never learn to shoot but he needs to slow down and pass first sometimes the same way the other greats do. i believe he can do it. i do not believe he can play without the ball in his hands. that would be my biggest concern

[Pachinko_]

if he doesnt improve then we need to trade him for a mega haul and ideally under contract.

Yep that's a legit alternative that needs to be permanently on the table.
Even Giannis expects it to be permanently on the table, he's said so a couple of times himself.

[DingleJerry]

Now that we have a legit lead attacker/PG now Giannis simply has to unlock his off ball massive potential. Forget the 3 pt shot, focus all on improving these areas and other finishes near the hoop besides dunks.

This has to happen and the coaches have to run an offense based around him being the finisher, not a wing handler. Personally I think Bled was better at this than given credit and/or allowed to do since coming to MKE. But if you're going to give up 5 picks for Jrue and just have him stand and watch Giannis it was a huge waste.

[Pachinko_]

Giannis is a generational superstar so he should be held to the high standards of one. Don't really get the backlash every time someone brings up that he kind of, you know, sucked in the two most important series of his career thus far. I suppose it's just easier to tell yourself that the difference between winning a championship is Fred Van Vleet or Jae Crowder, or something? For every time you show a screen grab of guys leaving Eric Bledsoe wide open in the corner, you can find another where the ball should have gotten out to a better shooter 2-3 seconds sooner.

Doesn't matter what standards we hold him to, if he can't do something then he can't do it, it is what it is.
At some point you have to make a decision to either trade him or work with what kind of player he actually is in reality. Those are the options.

Ok he sucked, now what, what are we gonna do about it?

[blazza18]

After reading this thread, I'm a little confused. Does Giannis suck or not?

He sucks at some things. Question is if a team can deal with it and make it work with what Giannis is good at, or not.

It's very easy to keep listing the things Giannis "needs to improve on", but what happens if he doesn't? Because he probably won't, we should know this by now.

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if he doesnt improve then we need to trade him for a mega haul and ideally under contract. i do not think you can win with a player like him dominating the ball in the modern league. there is a frustration and anxiety i see in playoff crunchtime that makes me cringe. at the point of attack hes been outplayed by lowry and dragic. on the wing by leonard and butler.

he may never learn to shoot but he needs to slow down and pass first sometimes the same way the other greats do. i believe he can do it. i do not believe he can play without the ball in his hands. that would be my biggest concern

This is a post I would've written after a disastrous loss. I dig it!

[DingleJerry]

Giannis is a generational superstar so he should be held to the high standards of one. Don't really get the backlash every time someone brings up that he kind of, you know, sucked in the two most important series of his career thus far. I suppose it's just easier to tell yourself that the difference between winning a championship is Fred Van Vleet or Jae Crowder, or something? For every time you show a screen grab of guys leaving Eric Bledsoe wide open in the corner, you can find another where the ball should have gotten out to a better shooter 2-3 seconds sooner.

Doesn't matter what standards we hold him to, if he can't do something then he can't do it, it is what it is.
At some point you have to make a decision to either trade him or work with what kind of player he actually is in reality. Those are the options.

Ok he sucked, now what, what are we gonna do about it?

Right. It's not about judging, blaming or saying someone sucks. It's about identifying players strengths and weaknesses and best utilizing them. In the half court he is not best utilized dribbling top of the key with 3 people staring at him and as a team that leads to no movement in the half court offense.

[Wooderson]

Giannis is a generational superstar so he should be held to the high standards of one. Don't really get the backlash every time someone brings up that he kind of, you know, sucked in the two most important series of his career thus far. I suppose it's just easier to tell yourself that the difference between winning a championship is Fred Van Vleet or Jae Crowder, or something? For every time you show a screen grab of guys leaving Eric Bledsoe wide open in the corner, you can find another where the ball should have gotten out to a better shooter 2-3 seconds sooner.

Giannis did not suck against Toronto. He played below his standards, but the supposed 2nd and 3rd best players on the teams (Bledsoe and Middleton) were far worse relative to expectations. Giannis had two rough games but played dominant defense throughout. Middleton was awful in 5 out of 6 games (averaged 10/7/4 with a 42% TS outside of game 4).

Now Giannis was definitely poor in most of his minutes the Miami series. But I think some are retroactively pegging him down a notch or two for the Raps series because of what happened against Miami. Conversly Middleton barely seems to get any negativity for how terrible he was against the Raptors, because he played decently well against 2020.

Would the Bucks have won if Giannis maintained his best player in the league level against the Raptors? Probably, but it's still fair to point out there were a few other things even more problematic against the Raptors (Bledsoe, Middleton, Mirotic and guys generally bricking wide open 3s).

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

He sucks at some things. Question is if a team can deal with it and make it work with what Giannis is good at, or not.

It's very easy to keep listing the things Giannis "needs to improve on", but what happens if he doesn't? Because he probably won't, we should know this by now.

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if he doesnt improve then we need to trade him for a mega haul and ideally under contract. i do not think you can win with a player like him dominating the ball in the modern league. there is a frustration and anxiety i see in playoff crunchtime that makes me cringe. at the point of attack hes been outplayed by lowry and dragic. on the wing by leonard and butler.

he may never learn to shoot but he needs to slow down and pass first sometimes the same way the other greats do. i believe he can do it. i do not believe he can play without the ball in his hands. that would be my biggest concern

This is a post I would've written after a disastrous loss. I dig it!

weII despite such high expectations after reguIar season dominance.....each of the Iast two seasons have ended with disastrous Iosses the exact same way. thats basicaIIy my point. id argue its even the state of the team. its far too easy to bIame the bit pieces but bottom Iine is if your star cant shoot in a Ieagye where everybody eIse can then he better be abIe to deIiver it to them weII or its a doubIe whammy of fataI fIaws

[har13]

Man i really don't know a **** about basketball but it is also clear in my mind that most of you don't have a clue either...

The problem is that you believe you know..

[Pachinko_]

Man i really don't know a **** about basketball but it is also clear in my mind that most of you don't have a clue either...

The problem is that you believe you know..

oh chill out man. We're just saying it as it is, it's ok, no player is perfect.

Except MJ of course