Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

M-C-G · Post #1621 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:47 pm

In all the behind the scenes stuff Jrue seems very happy. All the guys do actually. I think Giannis having fun on court is a great change for the culture of this team. I would have a hard time expecting something better if I were Jrue.

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giannis and 1 · Post #1622 » by **giannis and 1** » Fri Apr 2, 2021 11:51 pm

thonnisbeastley wrote:Jrue gave away the rest of his 2020 salary to people in need due to the pandemic. He's not worried about money. He's a laid back humble dude. I wouldn't be 100% certain he will re-sign, but if he wants to win a championship and play a big role in doing so, where else would he want to go? Personally, I'll be pretty upset if we pay him more than $30M/per for 4 years. He's getting older and he's not a max level player. We'd also be stuck with what we have as far as personnel goes. Hoping for something like a 3 year deal, $75-90M with a player option in the 3rd year. Gives us 3 years of title chasing with Jrue and pays him what he's worth, while giving him the chance to sign with somebody else to chase a ring if it doesn't work out.

I'm hoping for that too, but based on what Horst gave to Middleton, I don't think it's going to happen.

At the end of the day, it is better to have Jrue Holiday on your team even if it means signing him for 5 years than to let him go.

giannis and 1 · Post #1623 » by **giannis and 1** » Fri Apr 2, 2021 11:54 pm

emunney wrote:Don't know where to put but found this and remembered when Thon was Frasier

He eats scrambled eggs and does what...

giannis and 1 · Post #1624 » by **giannis and 1** » Fri Apr 2, 2021 11:56 pm

BigO wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:Is there some scenario where Jrue may think Bud is on a quiet hot seat after this season, so hes waiting to see what happens on that front?

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Could be. I don't think he's a fan of Bud, having done interviews where he talked about liking to switch more on defense. If the Bucks go with an early exit and he feels coaching was a reason, I could see that and money as decisive factors.

If coaching is a reason for an early exit, there is no way Bud will keep his job.

jakecronus8 · Post #1625 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 12:51 am

emunney wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
emunney wrote:Timing this offseason would be interesting for something like what the Spurs did when they traded Hill for the Kawhi pick. I don't know who I'd target yet.

Jonathan Kuminga

Probably higher than we could get. Was thinking late lotto / mid-1st.

Scottie Barnes is my obsession

The Wet Whistle · Post #1626 » by **The Wet Whistle** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 2:38 am

emunney wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
emunney wrote:Timing this offseason would be interesting for something like what the Spurs did when they traded Hill for the Kawhi pick. I don't know who I'd target yet.

Jonathan Kuminga

Probably higher than we could get. Was thinking late lotto / mid-1st.

What's your read on Wagner?

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thonnisbeastley · Post #1627 » by **thonnisbeastley** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 4:29 am

giannis and 1 wrote:
thonnisbeastley wrote:Jrue gave away the rest of his 2020 salary to people in need due to the pandemic. He's not worried about money. He's a laid back humble dude. I wouldn't be 100% certain he will re-sign, but if he wants to win a championship and play a big role in doing so, where else would he want to go? Personally, I'll be pretty upset if we pay him more than $30M/per for 4 years. He's getting older and he's not a max level player. We'd also be stuck with what we have as far as personnel goes. Hoping for something like a 3 year deal, $75-90M with a player option in the 3rd year. Gives us 3 years of title chasing with Jrue and pays him what he's worth, while giving him the chance to sign with somebody else to chase a ring if it doesn't work out.

I'm hoping for that too, but based on what Horst gave to Middleton, I don't think it's going to happen.

At the end of the day, it is better to have Jrue Holiday on your team even if it means signing him for 5 years than to let him go.

Yeah, Horst has been throwing so much money out to everyone since he took over. Every single one of our players we re-signed were overpaid, except for Giannis. I expect a 4/140 deal with a player option on the 4th year. We will realize after next season that we are **** paying Giannis, Jrue, and Middleton $120/year with no cap space or draft picks to do anything. Then we will trade Middleton but botch the trade. Then Giannis will be pissed and demand a trade. Then the owners will sell us to Seattle or we will re-live the Kohl era for 20 years until we luck out once again.

Post #1628 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 5:06 am

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trwi7 · Post #1629 » by **trwi7** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 5:23 am

emunney wrote:Don't know where to put but found this and remembered when Thon was Frasier

Scrambled eggs 7 times a day? And all this time I thought nobody would guard him because they didn't respect his shot or general offensive ability.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1630 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 2:39 pm

Bryn Forbes is averaging just 1.1 assists per 36. Have the Bucks ever had a worse passing/playmaking guard? He's an absolute ball stopper.

GoldenAntlers · Post #1631 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 2:48 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Bryn Forbes is averaging just 1.1 assists per 36. Have the Bucks ever had a worse passing/playmaking guard? He's an absolute ball stopper.

Gary Neal comes to mind.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1632 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 2:54 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Bryn Forbes is averaging just 1.1 assists per 36. Have the Bucks ever had a worse passing/playmaking guard? He's an absolute ball stopper.

An absolute ball stopper who doesn't turn it over and puts it into the hoop at extreme efficiency in the flow of the offense.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1633 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:03 pm

I'd take Ben McLamore for some wing depth.

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ShootingtheJ · Post #1634 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:11 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Bryn Forbes is averaging just 1.1 assists per 36. Have the Bucks ever had a worse passing/playmaking guard? He's an absolute ball stopper.

An absolute ball stopper who doesn't turn it over and puts it into the hoop at extreme efficiency in the flow of the offense.

Nah, he kills the flow of the offense, hence why we have a better offensive rating when he's on the bench.

M-C-G · Post #1635 » by **M-C-G** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:13 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Bryn Forbes is averaging just 1.1 assists per 36. Have the Bucks ever had a worse passing/playmaking guard? He's an absolute ball stopper.

An absolute ball stopper who doesn't turn it over and puts it into the hoop at extreme efficiency in the flow of the offense.

I have only been able to see a few games, so I want to qualify that first, but with Forbes it seems like;
a.) he should only be in line ups with Giannis (or garbage time)
b.) if he isn't playing with Giannis, playing him with a group of smaller guys like DDV and Teague at the same time seems like an awful idea
c.) if he isn't 'on' early, I'd give that time to Merril and see what happens.

For what we pay him, and his ability to get hot, I think he is perfectly fine player to have on the roster. Just seems like you need somewhat optimal conditions to make it work and it seems like Bud likes to try him out in a lot of line ups that just seem destined to fail.

M-C-G · Post #1636 » by **M-C-G** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:16 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Bryn Forbes is averaging just 1.1 assists per 36. Have the Bucks ever had a worse passing/playmaking guard? He's an absolute ball stopper.

Gary Neal comes to mind.

If you are going to play Forbes, he should be shooting almost every time he gets the ball. Because if you have him on the court to do anything else, then it doesn't make sense to have him on the court. He basically needs to outscore what he is giving up on the other end to justify playing him. And again, that is fine to have a guy like that on your roster, just need to have a short leash if it is an off day.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1637 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:16 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'd take Ben McLamore for some wing depth.

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I'd rather watch the rookies make rookie mistakes on defense then watch McLemore just play bad defense. The rooks are just a good of shooters.

We should hold the last roster spot in case a good player gets bought out. What if OPJ just bought out in 2 weeks. If we already picked up McLemore, we'd be stuck with him and his salary.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1638 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:17 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Bryn Forbes is averaging just 1.1 assists per 36. Have the Bucks ever had a worse passing/playmaking guard? He's an absolute ball stopper.

An absolute ball stopper who doesn't turn it over and puts it into the hoop at extreme efficiency in the flow of the offense.

Nah, he kills the flow of the offense, hence why we have a better offensive rating when he's on the bench.

70% of his offense comes 0-2 seconds after catching the ball where he's literally the third most efficient player on the team besides Giannis and Bobby. Him "stopping the ball" is quantifiably one of the best shots we have on this entire squad.

The Wet Whistle · Post #1639 » by **The Wet Whistle** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:20 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:An absolute ball stopper who doesn't turn it over and puts it into the hoop at extreme efficiency in the flow of the offense.

Nah, he kills the flow of the offense, hence why we have a better offensive rating when he's on the bench.

70% of his offense comes 0-2 seconds after catching the ball where he's literally the third most efficient player on the team besides Giannis and Bobby. Him "stopping the ball" is quantifiably one of the best shots we have on this entire squad.

Where do you find tracking data like this? Super interesting stuff

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ShootingtheJ · Post #1640 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:23 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:An absolute ball stopper who doesn't turn it over and puts it into the hoop at extreme efficiency in the flow of the offense.

Nah, he kills the flow of the offense, hence why we have a better offensive rating when he's on the bench.

70% of his offense comes 0-2 seconds after catching the ball where he's literally the third most efficient player on the team besides Giannis and Bobby. Him "stopping the ball" is quantifiably one of the best shots we have on this entire squad.

Problem is, he isn't always able to get his shot off because he's too short. Then the ball stops. Forbes isn't our 3rd most efficient player or scorer, just shooter. The offense is worse when he's on the floor.