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[RRyder823]

Obi Wan

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Didn't think this should could make me think less of it....... That's on me I guess

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[PintSizedBox10]

Obi Wan

Spoiler:

Didn't think this should could make me think less of it....... That's on me I guess

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Are you saying you weren't a fan on the finale? I thought this episode was hands down the best

[RRyder823]

Obi Wan

Spoiler:

Didnt think this should could make me think less of it....... Thats on me I guess

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Are you saying you weren't a fan on the finale? I thought this episode was hands down the best

Nope. The bad writing got even worse.

And yeah it very well might if been the best. Still sucked. Guess I had some hope left. That was my mistake.

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[PintSizedBox10]

Obi Wan

Spoiler:

Didnt think this should could make me think less of it....... Thats on me I guess

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Are you saying you weren't a fan on the finale? I thought this episode was hands down the best

Nope. The bad writing got even worse.

And yeah it very well might if been the best. Still sucked. Guess I had some hope left. That was my mistake.

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I think sucked is a bit harsh but I'd agree in saying the show underwhelming. The last episode did it's best to sort of tie in some things to the later movies (making prequels years later is hard). There was only so much they could do to have anything make any sense.

The Mandalorian is still king

[4xBuck]

And yeah it very well might if been the best. Still sucked. Guess I had some hope left. That was my mistake.

I thought I was jaded from the disappointing prequels and the disaster of the sequels. The Last Jedi was so bad that I've never watched The Rise of Skywalker. With that said I haven't let the sequel mess get in the way of how I feel about the new shows on Disney. Those shows, including Obi Wan, have completely resurrected the franchise for me.

For Obi Wan, I thought it was a hit and miss storyline with more misses than the other Disney SW shows. For the last episode, I loved it. They nailed the landing!

Spoiler:

I didn't have the same complaints a lot of the others did. I thought they messed up the integrity of the Obi Wan/Vader confrontation in SW1 (IV-The New Hope) and had no faith in them circling back around and and synchronizing the storyline. Well, I was wrong. They got it right.

The 2nd Obi Wan/Vader confrontation and dialogue was as emotional as anything in the entire Star Wars universe. Where Luke's appearance to save the day on the Mandalorian was great in in a hell yes way. The last scene with Obi Wan and Vader was an emotional kidney shot that paid off big time. Then they buttoned up the show with Qui-Gon Jinn's cameo. I understand the critics are not liking all the surprise cameos and appearances in the Disney SW shows, but I still like them. And, I really loved this one. It brought a feel good end to the show after still being blitzed from the Obi Wan/Vader ending.

Heck, I even liked Palpatine's cameo. He settled Vader down and set him up for his portrayal in the first trilogy.

[glenn]

[Licensed to Il]

Star Wars thought: "Rogue One" and "Mandolorian" are clearly the most critically acclaimed Star Wars productions since the originals. I think the "Obi Wan" show illustrates why. There was almost nothing the writers (of Obi Wan) could have done that was unexpected, that would not have ruined the continuity or compromised the characters we already were familiar with. Knowing the galactic events of ten years later, and the futures of the main characters, was ironically what draws in all the viewers but also limits the writers. "Rogue One" was able to skirt this with a high stakes side mission that was happening alongside what we already knew, but with new characters and more possibilities. We knew the mission would succeed, but they could still surprise us with collateral damage. "Mandolorian," in a similar manner, is in the timeline and set pieces that draw in that big audience but it has new characters that aren't tied to a timeline and events the audience already knows.

I imagine all Disney is really interested in is acquiring all our cash. But if they want to make more compelling SW shows, they are going to have to veer from the paint by numbers stuff and stretch their audience in to stories with more variability and options.

[ReasonablySober]

Star Wars thought: "Rogue One" and "Mandolorian" are clearly the most critically acclaimed Star Wars productions since the originals. I think the "Obi Wan" show illustrates why. There was almost nothing the writers (of Obi Wan) could have done that was unexpected, that would not have ruined the continuity or compromised the characters we already were familiar with. Knowing the galactic events of ten years later, and the futures of the main characters, was ironically what draws in all the viewers but also limits the writers. "Rogue One" was able to skirt this with a high stakes side mission that was happening alongside what we already knew, but with new characters and more possibilities. We knew the mission would succeed, but they could still surprise us with collateral damage. "Mandolorian," in a similar manner, is in the timeline and set pieces that draw in that big audience but it has new characters that aren't tied to a timeline and events the audience already knows.

I imagine all Disney is really interested in is acquiring all our cash. But if they want to make more compelling SW shows, they are going to have to veer from the paint by numbers stuff and stretch their audience in to stories with more variability and options.

The Last Jedi.

[Licensed to Il]

Even if you think "Last Jedi" was the best received SW entity, which I don't, it still proves my point that storytelling works best when the audience doesn't already know the end result/destination.

[ReasonablySober]

Even if you think "Last Jedi" was the best received SW entity, which I don't, it still proves my point that storytelling works best when the audience doesn't already know the end result/destination.

I agree. I think TLJ is the second best SW thing ever and it was largely because of the surprises and things they did different.

[emunney]

Even if you think "Last Jedi" was the best received SW entity, which I don't, it still proves my point that storytelling works best when the audience doesn't already know the end result/destination.

I agree. I think TLJ is the second best SW thing ever and it was largely because of the surprises and things they did different.

It's also objectively the most critically acclaimed SW property since the originals, and imo clearly the best SW movie ever, including the originals, although it obviously could not exist without them.

Me when the C-3POs **** on TLJ:

[machu46]

TLJ is the worst SW property since maybe the prequels IMO, though I have not seen Solo.


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[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd consider myself pretty nuetral on star wars. Not a huge fan but I'll watch the movies/shows and be entertained. In my opinion they made a mistake by trying to basically reboot the original story arcs with the latest trilogy. Maybe it was fan service for the true die hards but I thought they missed an opportunity to close it out with a unique trilogy and explore some fun new aspects of the universe. Hell even giving a new main villain would have been fun. Felt unoriginal which is a shame because they had a blank canvas to work with.

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[FrieAaron]

Even if you think "Last Jedi" was the best received SW entity, which I don't, it still proves my point that storytelling works best when the audience doesn't already know the end result/destination.

If by "best received" you mean critically, then there's not really any debate. It was the best received of all sequels since the originals. It definitely takes the most chances, which for me is enough with these things to make it the most worthwhile. It doesn't all work, but I'd personally rather see that than watching the same thing again and again. I legitimately didn't even remember watching "The Rise of Skywalker" until I just now read the wiki and even now only half remember ever watching it.

Edit: I still think Empire is far and away the most successful of the 9 main movies. TLJ is the best of the new trilogy comfortably.
Edited again because I got the title of the IX wrong despite just reading the wiki synopsis. That's how forgettable it is.

[ReasonablySober]

Watched the whole season of new show The Bear (FX) today. Eight episodes, about three hours total. It's a really good kitchen/restaurant show. Matty Matheson is a producer and occasional actor. Lip from Shameless is great.

Watch on YouTube

Big recommendation.

[Siefer]

TLJ did a ton of damage to my enjoyment of Star Wars, but not because of the movie itself. TLJ was uneven, and some stuff just didn't work (space Leia was weird, Finn's everything, the military subordination plot felt vestigial), but it was inventive, took risks, thought about these people as characters instead of caricatures, and wasn't precious about the franchise. I'd much rather have bad and interesting, and TLJ easily cleared that bar - Luke, Rey, and Kylo were electric and carried the film. They were more human than anything I'd seen since KOTOR.

The fandom's subsequent meltdown, the entitlement and viciousness, the nostalgia and fear of change...all of it, just shattered my ability to enjoy Star Wars, and it still hasn't recovered. Disney very publicly feeding Johnson to the wolves and bringing Abrams back to flail at the familiar was the final dagger, and I've never had interest in seeing Rise. The fandom has so much toxicity (maybe that's just all fandoms these days?), and Disney clearly has no interest in doing something with the world besides printing money. Edwards snuck enough of his vision through for Rogue One to still be vibrant, but even that experience was so terrible he hasn't made a film since.

[Licensed to Il]

TLJ did a ton of damage to my enjoyment of Star Wars, but not because of the movie itself. TLJ was uneven, and some stuff just didn't work (space Leia was weird, Finn's everything, the military subordination plot felt vestigial), but it was inventive, took risks, thought about these people as characters instead of caricatures, and wasn't precious about the franchise. I'd much rather have bad and interesting, and TLJ easily cleared that bar - Luke, Rey, and Kylo were electric and carried the film. They were more human than anything I'd seen since KOTOR.

The fandom's subsequent meltdown, the entitlement and viciousness, the nostalgia and fear of change...all of it, just shattered my ability to enjoy Star Wars, and it still hasn't recovered. Disney very publicly feeding Johnson to the wolves and bringing Abrams back to flail at the familiar was the final dagger, and I've never had interest in seeing Rise. The fandom has so much toxicity (maybe that's just all fandoms these days?), and Disney clearly has no interest in doing something with the world besides printing money. Edwards snuck enough of his vision through for Rogue One to still be vibrant, but even that experience was so terrible he hasn't made a film since.

That is a thoughtful post. I revered SW as a kid, and have (naturally, I guess, as I age) drifted further and further away. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned. The only reason I still watch, is because I have elementary school age kids, so we can watch together, and I sort of watch their reactions as much as the screen. I do think people forget that movies and shows about lazer swords and lizard bounty hunters are supposed to be for kids. I forget it, then find myself using grad school level analysis on a scene involving baby yoda eating a frog ladies children eggs. The only way this all still works for me is that my kids are holding action figures and still so engaged.

[Plossum]

Finally got around to seeing Top Gun Maverick. It’s just awesome, absolutely lives up to the hype.

The action sequences are some of the best you’ll ever see in a movie. 5/5.

[jakecronus8]

Legally obligated to chime in on the last Jedi.

Deciding to subvert expectations only works if the changes are interesting and make sense.

I could choose to do my morning business in the bathtub instead of the toilet. That’s different. You wouldn’t see that coming. In the end though, all I’m doing is leaving a big pile of sh*t THERE instead of HERE.

The script was a disaster. As was the character work of everyone besides Rey and Ren. There was some cool stuff sprinkled in. But the director choosing to troll his audience as his main motivation was bizarre. Johnson may have been an ok choice to direct but wow oh wow is he a terrible writer.

ETA: Disney dummies are the ones with egg on their face. They spent billions on a franchise then decided to reboot it with no plan. Abrams made a decent soft reboot to remind fans of what Star Wars is and should be. Johnson was given free reign and tried to do something different. Which is commendable I suppose except that he was an abject failure in nearly every aspect. Then Abrams had to erase that film and try to tie every thing up in one single movie. In the process, any remaining magic or special feeling about the product was lost completely.

[ReasonablySober]

Nah TLJ was awesome.