Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[xTitan]

I am sure there are a number of areas Giannis wants to improve on....but the most important thing is free throw shooting, if he shoots upwards of 75% they might have been in back to back championships already.

[emunney]

Giannis is a generational superstar so he should be held to the high standards of one. Don't really get the backlash every time someone brings up that he kind of, you know, sucked in the two most important series of his career thus far. I suppose it's just easier to tell yourself that the difference between winning a championship is Fred Van Vleet or Jae Crowder, or something? For every time you show a screen grab of guys leaving Eric Bledsoe wide open in the corner, you can find another where the ball should have gotten out to a better shooter 2-3 seconds sooner.

Also, out of curiosity, did he get the ball to Bled and Donte on those plays before the defense recovered? Bled is behind the D, he's at the rim if he gets a crisp pass there. Which means it's less about shooting than it's about whether they think that guy can get the ball before they can rotate.

[StickeeFingaz]

[jute2003]

I am sure there are a number of areas Giannis wants to improve on....but the most important thing is free throw shooting, if he shoots upwards of 75% they might have been in back to back championships already.

Yeah...he needs to get his nerves under control and hit a more respectable percentage of his free throws. If he does thst and can work on making quicker reads, he'd be well on his way to busting through the wall.

[har13]

Man i really don't know a **** about basketball but it is also clear in my mind that most of you don't have a clue either...

The problem is that you believe you know..

oh chill out man. We're just saying it as it is, it's ok, no player is perfect.

Except MJ of course

OF COURSE MJ IS THE ONLY GOAT...

Isn't it true tho Pachinko?

Only few speak here about Basketball, all you hear is about stats and superstars, their problem is Giannis or Khris or who ever, the same again is happening right now, you and i read their posts, its clear that they can't understand that Giannis is not Lebron or Jordan, because they believe he must be then its their fault, not only about Giannis but every player, Donte now must become our Herro... if he does not...

Giannis is the player he is, if he can become better then good for us, the same goes for all the players but this is not the way to follow, you can't expect Giannis to become Lebron to win a championship, you must do the best you can to improve your team.

WHAT THE BUCKS FANS CARE ABOUT? GIANNIS BECOME LEBRON OR WIN THE **** CHAMPIONSHIP? THEY MUST DECIDE HERE.

I dont want to put my expectations on Giannis becoming Lebron to win a ring, he is not there, we see his flaws WE KNOW THEM.

What we must do then?

Become better, its so simple, some of you believe that we had put a good team around GIannis but both playoff series prove that this is not true at all, individual performances prove that...

Keep in mind that i believe Giannis sucked big time against Miami but lets have a look what the truth is.

Kawhi who was great the year before left from Toronto but they still were a very good team.
Lowry/VanVleet/ Siakam/ Anynoby/ Ibaka / Gasol/ Powell and they proved that big time this year, also a very good coach.

Lets remove Giannis off our team that year, Brogdon/ Bledsoe/ Khris/ Mirotic/ Lopez

Now forget Giannis and Kawhi, forget your overall opinion about the players, i want you to go back and remember how each one of them played, who wins?

This year, was our team even winning the series against Magic (with a lot of injuries) the way Bucks cast without Giannis played ? Maybe but very very very close.

Miami is another story, Giannis sucked big time but still most of Miami players were great against us, Dragic/Herro/ Robinson/ Buttler/ Crowder, all they asked from their all star player to do (Adebayo) was to play D fight for rebounds and score inside, thats it..

If you believe that Giannis is Jordan then sorry, your fault, but you do that all the time in so many cases few of you..i m waiting to read from few here that Donte is our "Herro" .... of course the same people will blame him when they see that he can't....

Pachinko i will stop posting when the season starts like i did last year. i can chill then...

[LuessiT]

Now that we have a legit lead attacker/PG now Giannis simply has to unlock his off ball massive potential.

Uhh, that's the absolute opposite of Jrues game.

[HKPackFan]

This is the longest Dec 1st ever. It's Dec 1st 1pm here and I'm already like.....so??? We good? Is it done? Is the jersey/giannis reveal happening now? This dec 1st is going to last 2 days for me.

[Pachinko_]

Giannis is a monster defender and rebounder who can sometimes score in bunches in specific circumstances.
That's it, that's the player we've got.
We should focus on what we can do with that instead of forcing him to be something that he's not.

[tedbrogen]

Giannis is a monster defender and rebounder who can sometimes score in bunches in specific circumstances.
That's it, that's the player we've got.
We should focus on what we can do with that instead of forcing him to be something that he's not.

I do agree that they are asking waayyy to much of him to also be their first option on offense every moment he is on the court while running an offense that forces him to attack a wall of defenders awaiting him in the paint.

They should run more actual plays. Let Midds explore his mid-range. Post up Brook. Run a bunch of pick and rolls with various combinations, some of those with Giannis as the screener/roller to try and get him easy looks. Run the better shooters around screens to force the D to either give them or the screeners open looks. Let Giannis rest some on offense so he can be a monster on defense. This team is unstoppable when they get stops and get into the open court. In the playoffs that has disappeared because Giannis is killing himself on offense, so he is less effective on defense. Also, the offensive efficiency bottoming out meant the Heat and Raptors were getting more attempts against a Bucks defense that was not set and obviously the defense is more effective after a score than a TO or miss.

Asking Giannis to be Jordan is crazy, especially when the Bulls ran an actual offense that didn't involve Jordan driving into five players from the top of the key while Bledsoe and DDV stood on the perimeter unguarded.

[Pachinko_]

I do agree that they are asking waayyy to much of him to also be their first option on offense every moment he is on the court while running an offense that forces him to attack a wall of defenders awaiting him in the paint.

They should run more actual plays. Let Midds explore his mid-range. Post up Brook. Run a bunch of pick and rolls with various combinations, some of those with Giannis as the screener/roller to try and get him easy looks. Run the better shooters around screens to force the D to either give them or the screeners open looks. Let Giannis rest some on offense so he can be a monster on defense. This team is unstoppable when they get stops and get into the open court. In the playoffs that has disappeared because Giannis is killing himself on offense, so he is less effective on defense. Also, the offensive efficiency bottoming out meant the Heat and Raptors were getting more attempts against a Bucks defense that was not set and obviously the defense is more effective after a score than a TO or miss.

Asking Giannis to be Jordan is crazy, especially when the Bulls ran an actual offense that didn't involve Jordan driving into five players from the top of the key while Bledsoe and DDV stood on the perimeter unguarded.

Unfortunately Bud is the Giannis of coaches.
He is are very good at both ends in specific circumstances.
But change things up on him in a way he doesn't expect and he's more or less neutralised.

[tedbrogen]

I do agree that they are asking waayyy to much of him to also be their first option on offense every moment he is on the court while running an offense that forces him to attack a wall of defenders awaiting him in the paint.

They should run more actual plays. Let Midds explore his mid-range. Post up Brook. Run a bunch of pick and rolls with various combinations, some of those with Giannis as the screener/roller to try and get him easy looks. Run the better shooters around screens to force the D to either give them or the screeners open looks. Let Giannis rest some on offense so he can be a monster on defense. This team is unstoppable when they get stops and get into the open court. In the playoffs that has disappeared because Giannis is killing himself on offense, so he is less effective on defense. Also, the offensive efficiency bottoming out meant the Heat and Raptors were getting more attempts against a Bucks defense that was not set and obviously the defense is more effective after a score than a TO or miss.

Asking Giannis to be Jordan is crazy, especially when the Bulls ran an actual offense that didn't involve Jordan driving into five players from the top of the key while Bledsoe and DDV stood on the perimeter unguarded.

Unfortunately Bud is the Giannis of coaches.
He is are very good at both ends in specific circumstances.
But change things up on him in a way he doesn't expect and he's more or less neutralised.

Whichever one of the assistants is a future headcoach needs to get through to him and talk him into running simple PnR or Brook post-ups when things are getting tight.

I do like some of the offensive play calls Bud draws up during time outs (the Bucks don't always execute), but the problem is he was only willing to call those plays out of a time out.

[Cythaps]

In team sports, good teams always beat good players. US sports star system (and most fans) are happy to ignore that. If they lose it's their superstar's fault, if they win, the superstar gets the credit. Basketball doesn't work like that. Kevin Durant (which is apparently the player most of you want Giannis to be) couldn't win it playing on the same team with peak Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka, despite being an elite shooter with 90+ ft percentage. It's not a matter of Giannis becoming what he isn't - it's about finding the right fit around the MVP. Even Jordan couldn't win it for 7 seasons until they found the right fit around him, and by fit I mean the right teammates, the right coach and the right scheme.

By definition (4 consecutive years all-nba team, 2 back to back MVPs) Giannis is good enough. Get the rest of the **** together and win it.

[Sigra]

I like that the next possible player over Bledsoe, Pat C, DDV, Brown etc is Jordan. Nothing in between.

That is not a point. I was talking about Giannis attitude and desire to be leader and best player of champion. Or does he need another guy to be that "Jordan" and he is more like Pippen (great player but not a leader). Olajuwon, Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Wade, LeBron, Curry, Kawhi....only examples of players who lead their teams to championships. Each of them was unstoppable when it metered most. Each of them played playoffs better then season. Each of them was clutch in last 3 minutes of close games. If Giannis played with confidence and with authority like champions mentioned above we would win east last year. But in playoffs our hero disappear and cant be considered in same company with above mentioned champions. The thing is that he try to be something that he is not. He force to be something that he is not. And his fanboys (like you) plan his supporting cast like he is something he is not. For example, we don't need to surround him with shooters. We need to find playmakers and decision makers and use Giannis for defense, fastbreaks, moving without ball etc. Not with ball against set defense.

Lebron is nearly the GOAT but he is smart enough to realise that without another top 5 player and elite shooters around him he won't win rings.

Last year east was so open. After Lakers entire NBA was wide open. Put LeBron instead of Giannis in our team and we win it all last year. No doubt.

Miami Heat and the Raptors overpowerd us in almost everything but the superstar. Coach, Defense, Shooting, Experience. Leagues better.

Kawhi was there at the end of games to hit important shoots. Giannis was not. Butler was there at the end of games to hit important shoots. Giannis was not. We had close games that we lost. Best offensive player must be able to take over in last 3 minutes. Our cant. And I think he shouldnt have that role at all. The problem is that he wants that role. You can blame coach all day but I think it is Giannis who wants to be Jordan, Kobe, Lebron (guy with ball in his hands when game is on line). And he is just not that.

I hope Jrue become that in close games for us. But we need Giannis to let him. We will see.

[Sigra]

This was our Bledsoe Wall the past two years.

This will most probably be our Donte Wall this year.


Teams don't even care about them. Have as many wide open 3s as you want while they triple team Giannis and put a quick defender on Khris. You can't beat us with mediocre shooters shooting.

Yet it's Giannis and Khris fault.

When I read you fanboys talk about "wall" I want to hit some wall. ONLY TORONTO HAD WALL 2 YEARS AGO. Miami didnt use "wall". They defended him 1 on 1 and when he tried penetration they would bring help (like you show in those pictures), THAT IS NOT WALL. Its standard double team used for decades.

In your first picture Giannis had great option to pass ball to Lopez who sealed his man down low and that was best option. Did Giannis do that?
In your 2nd picture there is open man bellow basket. Did Giannis passed to him?

Each superstar is double teamed. That is not rocket science. Its about decision makings. So far Giannis is bad in that. If he doesnt improve then we need another descion maker. Hopefully Jrue will be that. If Giannis/coach allow him that.

[Sigra]

He sucks at some things. Question is if a team can deal with it and make it work with what Giannis is good at, or not.

The biggest question is:

is Giannis going to accept reality and who he really is.

That is most important question for this topic (contract discussions) because we are talking about how to make him happy and we are talking about his desire for some players to make him happy. If Giannis see himself as a ballhandler/decision maker then he will want us to surround him with shooters. He will force us to find shooters.

But we know that he is not good ballhandler/decision maker. Our priority must be to find playmakers. Not shooters. If Giannis force us to build our team wrongly because he see himself as something that he is not then we are doomed.

Personally, I am extremely happy that we got Jrue and not Bogdanović (if I have to choice one of them). Even If Giannis preferred BogBog. He was wrong to prefer him.

[Cythaps]

So in these pictures you see standard double teaming? Really now?

These pictures are examples of how teams completely ignore our guards and leave them open to triple team Giannis. And especially in the second picture, the "open guy" under the basket is an example of horrible spacing giving his defender the opportunity to triple-team Giannis. He shouldnt even be there and you think Giannis should try to pass over 3 sets of moving hands to a small guy under the basket while driving. Sure man. It's a fanboy thing.

[har13]

He sucks at some things. Question is if a team can deal with it and make it work with what Giannis is good at, or not.

The biggest question is:

is Giannis going to accept reality and who he really is.

That is most important question for this topic (contract discussions) because we are talking about how to make him happy and we are talking about his desire for some players to make him happy. If Giannis see himself as a ballhandler/decision maker then he will want us to surround him with shooters. He will force us to find shooters.

But we know that he is not good ballhandler/decision maker. Our priority must be to find playmakers. Not shooters. If Giannis force us to build our team wrongly because he see himself as something that he is not then we are doomed.

Personally, I am extremely happy that we got Jrue and not Bogdanović (if I have to choice one of them). Even If Giannis preferred BogBog. He was wrong to prefer him.

Poor posts, very poor most of your last posts.

Not because of what a player you believe Giannis is but the way you speak is... judging him as a player is not enough for you , you judge his personality and the man he is, really poor .... if some here are "fanboys" then you clearly a "haterboy", as many as you said are not correct i'm not sure if i m too, you are a hater for sure but are you a boy or an old man?

[Sigra]

you think Giannis should try to pass over 3 sets of moving hands to a small guy under the basket while driving. Sure man. It's a fanboy thing.

What moving hands? Do we look at same picture? Hands are down. He can just pass over head of his main defender. Hell, not even pass just "put it down" because Giannis hands are over his head.

Are you from Greece too?

[har13]

you think Giannis should try to pass over 3 sets of moving hands to a small guy under the basket while driving. Sure man. It's a fanboy thing.

What moving hands? Do we look at same picture? Hands are down. He can just pass over head of his main defender. Hell, not even pass just "put it down" because Giannis hands are over his head.

Are you from Greece too?

Wow ok...

[Sigra]

Poor posts, very poor most of your last posts.

Not because of what a player you believe Giannis is but the way you speak is... judging him as a player is not enough for you , you judge his personality and the man he is, really poor .... if some here are "fanboys" then you clearly a "haterboy", as many as you said are not correct i'm not sure if i m too, you are a hater for sure but are you a boy or an old man?

You are from Greece too?

See, I was just like you guys. I become Bucks fan when Kukoc was traded to Bucks. I was Kukoc fan as he is from my country. Fanboy indeed. He could do no wrong for me.

But that was 17 years ago. I am now 44 years old and I understand how irritating I was back then.