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[ShootingtheJ]

Can we S&T Lopez?

If So, S&T Lopez for Hachimura

We can sign and trade Lopez, but sign and trade rules only allow for taking back half the salary you send out, and Lopez isn't getting $37 million a year, so no Hachimura deal.

I'm guessing Brook gets $6-10 million per year, which would make it similar to last years Buddy Hield sign and trade. The 76ers got a 2nd round pick in the deal.

The Lakers have always been interested in Kuzma. A Kuzma and parts for Hachimura and parts should be discussed. Remind the Lakers of the success Ajax had guarding SGA.

Taking back half the salary is only true if BYC is triggered, but that would require a 20% raise over the previous salary, in the case of Brook, that won’t happen.

So, standard salary matching will apply instead.

Thanks! Not enough for Hachimura, but likely a better TPE than the one we have.

[BroncoBuck]

Three thoughts:

1) For those who hope to get Kuzma back to respectability, he was never respectable. Could you glean one season? Maybe. If the idea is to play him to get his value up, all you are doing is tanking the Bucks chances of winning and taking away valuable playing time from players who actually have skills.

2) For those who want to let Lopez walk (I'm one of them), you still are under the obligation of saying who will take his place as a regualr season rim protector? My solution is to do what you can to get Ryan Kalkbrenner, rather than waste pick after pick on "developmental" guys who never develop. Kalkbrenner is ready from day one and is great in the drop scheme.

3) For those willing to let BP walk (depends on the contract value), you are under an obifgation to say who you will replace him with to make up for losing a great rebounder and a good scorer.

Kuzma was a solid player every year up until this season. Not a great player, but not a bad player like he was this season. Just a solid starter.

[BigO]

Three thoughts:

1) For those who hope to get Kuzma back to respectability, he was never respectable. Could you glean one season? Maybe. If the idea is to play him to get his value up, all you are doing is tanking the Bucks chances of winning and taking away valuable playing time from players who actually have skills.

2) For those who want to let Lopez walk (I'm one of them), you still are under the obligation of saying who will take his place as a regualr season rim protector? My solution is to do what you can to get Ryan Kalkbrenner, rather than waste pick after pick on "developmental" guys who never develop. Kalkbrenner is ready from day one and is great in the drop scheme.

3) For those willing to let BP walk (depends on the contract value), you are under an obifgation to say who you will replace him with to make up for losing a great rebounder and a good scorer.

Kuzma was a solid player every year up until this season. Not a great player, but not a bad player like he was this season. Just a solid starter.

Kuzma's career stats:

45% overall shooter(bad)
33% 3 point shooter (bad)
72% free throw shooter (although in the sixties the last three seasons) (bad)
6.3 rebounds a game (well below that the last thee seasons)
2.7 assists per gamevs. 2.1to per game (bad)

Besides regressing from being mediocre to abysmal the last three seasons, Kuzma is the epitome of a low IQ ball player. He takes bad shots, is inefficient in his passing and has never been a solid player. If you think he was a solid player, we have completely different definitions of it.

I want players who can shoot, rebound, pass, dribble and have a good IQ.Kuzma fails on most of these.

The best that can be said of the move was that it put the Bucks below the second apron. The worst is that they played this bad player over young developing players and gave the Bucks no chance to defeat the Pacers.

[BroncoBuck]

Three thoughts:

1) For those who hope to get Kuzma back to respectability, he was never respectable. Could you glean one season? Maybe. If the idea is to play him to get his value up, all you are doing is tanking the Bucks chances of winning and taking away valuable playing time from players who actually have skills.

2) For those who want to let Lopez walk (I'm one of them), you still are under the obligation of saying who will take his place as a regualr season rim protector? My solution is to do what you can to get Ryan Kalkbrenner, rather than waste pick after pick on "developmental" guys who never develop. Kalkbrenner is ready from day one and is great in the drop scheme.

3) For those willing to let BP walk (depends on the contract value), you are under an obifgation to say who you will replace him with to make up for losing a great rebounder and a good scorer.

Kuzma was a solid player every year up until this season. Not a great player, but not a bad player like he was this season. Just a solid starter.

Kuzma's career stats:

45% overall shooter(bad)
33% 3 point shooter (bad)
72% free throw shooter (although in the sixties the last three seasons) (bad)
6.3 rebounds a game (well below that the last thee seasons)
2.7 assists per gamevs. 2.1to per game (bad)

Besides regressing from being mediocre to abysmal the last three seasons, Kuzma is the epitome of a low IQ ball player. He takes bad shots, is inefficient in his passing and has never been a solid player. If you think he was a solid player, we have completely different definitions of it.

I want players who can shoot, rebound, pass, dribble and have a good IQ.Kuzma fails on most of these.

The best that can be said of the move was that it put the Bucks below the second apron. The worst is that they played this bad player over young developing players and gave the Bucks no chance to defeat the Pacers.

10 Year Vet stats

44% FG
35% 3 PT
77% FT
3.4 Reb
1.4 AST
.6 TO

That’s Pat Connaughton who has been a solid player here for quite some time. I guess he’s always been trash too.

[German Athens]

Triangulating talent and fit, these are the guys I'd look to get a 1st for if it's plausible. I would trade the 2031 pick for 1 guy from the first group plus one other of these five.

Carter Bryant
Coward
Fleming

Bates
McNeeley

Using the picks isn’t the first thing I’d look to do, but at some point, as we start talking ourselves into lesser talents, the draft becomes more appealing.

Big risk, big reward

Mke: Jaylin, Coward(15), McNeeley(24)
Okc: Andre, ‘31 1st (unprotected)

Or an alternative where we send out pat and the 31 and get back Joe and the picks.

[pifhluk23]

As a Badger fan, I cringe to ask but Herro for Lillard works on trade checker. Would you do this deal straight up? Lillard should be ready end of season and wanted to be in Miami and might help them get a stud free agent to join him and Bam. We get a 25 year old #2 option from the state that likely grew up a bucks fan.

I’d actually do this one and then get MPJ from Denver for PatC and Kuzma and whatever else non 31 is needed.

Resign Bobby Trent and KPJ and we move forward this way. Doesn’t look so bleak imo.

People really need to think of the other side when posting trade ideas. Miami listens to this vm and then shares it with their friends laughing at how absurd it is.

[BigO]

Kuzma was a solid player every year up until this season. Not a great player, but not a bad player like he was this season. Just a solid starter.

Kuzma's career stats:

45% overall shooter(bad)
33% 3 point shooter (bad)
72% free throw shooter (although in the sixties the last three seasons) (bad)
6.3 rebounds a game (well below that the last thee seasons)
2.7 assists per gamevs. 2.1to per game (bad)

Besides regressing from being mediocre to abysmal the last three seasons, Kuzma is the epitome of a low IQ ball player. He takes bad shots, is inefficient in his passing and has never been a solid player. If you think he was a solid player, we have completely different definitions of it.

I want players who can shoot, rebound, pass, dribble and have a good IQ.Kuzma fails on most of these.

The best that can be said of the move was that it put the Bucks below the second apron. The worst is that they played this bad player over young developing players and gave the Bucks no chance to defeat the Pacers.

10 Year Vet stats

44% FG
35% 3 PT
77% FT
3.4 Reb
1.4 AST
.6 TO

That’s Pat Connaughton who has been a solid player here for quite some time. I guess he’s always been trash too.

When comparing stats, if you don't look at volume, then the comparison is useless.

If I'm a coach, I don't want inefficiency in any of my players. But I certainly don't want it at a high volume.

Kuzma has averaged 14.4 shots game in his career. PC has averaged 5 shots a game. So there is no comparison. Kuzma is a high volume inefficient chucker.

And over a ten year career , the difference in 2-5 percentage points (free throws and three pointers) is significant.

PC is a high IQ player. He shoots when he's open, unlike Kuzma. His assist to turnover ratio is well over two to one, as opposed to Kuzmas almost one to one ratio, which is a reflection of their respective BBIQs.

And lastly, after 10 years, most posters here want to get rid of PC, not elevate him, ike the Bucks have done with Kuzma.

Kuzma is a decent rebounder. That's it.

[BroncoBuck]

Kuzma's career stats:

45% overall shooter(bad)
33% 3 point shooter (bad)
72% free throw shooter (although in the sixties the last three seasons) (bad)
6.3 rebounds a game (well below that the last thee seasons)
2.7 assists per gamevs. 2.1to per game (bad)

Besides regressing from being mediocre to abysmal the last three seasons, Kuzma is the epitome of a low IQ ball player. He takes bad shots, is inefficient in his passing and has never been a solid player. If you think he was a solid player, we have completely different definitions of it.

I want players who can shoot, rebound, pass, dribble and have a good IQ.Kuzma fails on most of these.

The best that can be said of the move was that it put the Bucks below the second apron. The worst is that they played this bad player over young developing players and gave the Bucks no chance to defeat the Pacers.

10 Year Vet stats

44% FG
35% 3 PT
77% FT
3.4 Reb
1.4 AST
.6 TO

That’s Pat Connaughton who has been a solid player here for quite some time. I guess he’s always been trash too.

When comparing stats, if you don't look at volume, then the comparison is useless.

If I'm a coach, I don't want inefficiency in any of my players. But I certainly don't want it at a high volume.

Kuzma has averaged 14.4 shots game in his career. PC has averaged 5 shots a game. So there is no comparison. Kuzma is a high volume inefficient chucker.

And over a ten year career , the difference in 2-5 percentage points (free throws and three pointers) is significant.

PC is a high IQ player. He shoots when he's open, unlike Kuzma. His assist to turnover ratio is well over two to one, as opposed to Kuzmas almost one to one ratio, which is a reflection of their respective BBIQs.

And lastly, after 10 years, most posters here want to get rid of PC, not elevate him, ike the Bucks have done with Kuzma.

Kuzma is a decent rebounder. That's it.

You can parse out Pat’s career numbers with the Bucks and they are nearly identical to his career averages. You’re trying to use numbers to make your argument while ignoring all the numbers that go against you. Everything shows you Kuzma has been a solid player up until this past season.

You couldn’t even get the free throw shooting right. You used last year with the Bucks, the Wizards and combined and called that the last 3 seasons…

2023 he shot 77% from the FT line. He was a 72% FT shooter in Washington.

2023-2024 Kuzma was putting up 22 pts, 6.6 rebs, 4 assists on 55% True Shooting. You have to have absolute vitriol for a guy to not even think that’s solid.

He was bad this year, he’s been solid the rest of his career.

[Frank Nova]

So are we heavily concerned KPJ is priced out of Milwaukee or is the PG stuff being overblown so far? I’ve seen DLo Russell added to the list of consideration now and I’m just wondering why? Brogdon, Schroeder, Jones, Russell and not a single 1 makes much sense to me.

I thought we were selling Giannis on the major usage role of main ball handler/facilitator/dominator?

[Ron Swanson]

So are we heavily concerned KPJ is priced out of Milwaukee or is the PG stuff being overblown so far? I’ve seen DLo Russell added to the list of consideration now and I’m just wondering why? Brogdon, Schroeder, Jones, Russell and not a single 1 makes much sense to me.

I thought we were selling Giannis on the major usage role of main ball handler/facilitator/dominator?

I don't understand how these ideas are mutually exclusive. This team is already gonna be way too reliant on Giannis doing everything out there. Doc running him into the ground is legitimately my biggest worry this year now that we're not really contending for a title.

[CharityStripe34]

Yeah, we can never have too many guys that can handle the ball. Giannis will still get considerable usage, but having a real guard bring up the ball that can orchestrate a decent pick-and-roll is vital.

[jakecronus8]

It’s a shame to me that Giannis has gone this far into his career without ever playing with a point guard.

[PG Graveyard]

I wouldn’t mind adding as many left handed players as possible. We may not be the most talented but we would be a very difficult team to play

[fansinceforever]

Jesus... DeAngelo Russel? Dennis Schroeder?

are you guys just trying to remain positive or what? This is a nightmare.

[EasyE31]

If this KD thing keeps dragging on it feels like a replay of the Jrue and Dame trades where everyone counts Horst out because the Bucks don't have the right assets but then he manages to pull something off.

[Ron Swanson]

Stop the presses! An internet mock trade that actually seems way too good for the Bucks?

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-idea-sends-herb-jones-and-cj-mccollum-to-bucks-hawks-get-backup-big-man-01jy1wvvw46m?utm_source=RSS

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Bobby Portis Jr

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Kyle Kuzma, Tyler Smith, 2025 2nd round pick (via MIL, #47), 2026 2nd round pick (via UTA, from MIL), 2031 1st round pick (via MIL, unprotected), 2031 2nd round pick (via MIL)

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Herb Jones, Yves Missi, CJ McCollum, Kobe Bufkin, 2027 2nd round pick (via CLE)

[Badgerlander]

Triangulating talent and fit, these are the guys I'd look to get a 1st for if it's plausible. I would trade the 2031 pick for 1 guy from the first group plus one other of these five.

Carter Bryant
Coward
Fleming

Bates
McNeeley

I think one of those guys in the first group slides to the point where we could buy a pick to get him. Teams in the 20s especially in this draft unless there is a guy they gotta have may just punt. Only one has a green room invite do far, not that it means anything necessarily.

[Frank Nova]

So are we heavily concerned KPJ is priced out of Milwaukee or is the PG stuff being overblown so far? I’ve seen DLo Russell added to the list of consideration now and I’m just wondering why? Brogdon, Schroeder, Jones, Russell and not a single 1 makes much sense to me.

I thought we were selling Giannis on the major usage role of main ball handler/facilitator/dominator?

I don't understand how these ideas are mutually exclusive. This team is already gonna be way too reliant on Giannis doing everything out there. Doc running him into the ground is legitimately my biggest worry this year now that we're not really contending for a title.

Not that they are mutually exclusive, I’m more wondering about whether the Bucks being linked to all these guards are in addition to or in replacement of Kevin Porter Jr.

The Giannis thing is basically how it’s going to fit around him and without him. We have to win the non Giannis minutes and we’re not linked to anyone that’s going to help in that regard. Especially if these free agents we are interested in are replacements for KPJ.

[Wisky4life]

Stop the presses! An internet mock trade that actually seems way too good for the Bucks?

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-idea-sends-herb-jones-and-cj-mccollum-to-bucks-hawks-get-backup-big-man-01jy1wvvw46m?utm_source=RSS

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Bobby Portis Jr

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Kyle Kuzma, Tyler Smith, 2025 2nd round pick (via MIL, #47), 2026 2nd round pick (via UTA, from MIL), 2031 1st round pick (via MIL, unprotected), 2031 2nd round pick (via MIL)

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Herb Jones, Yves Missi, CJ McCollum, Kobe Bufkin, 2027 2nd round pick (via CLE)

I always wanted to see Dame, CJ and Giannis all teamed up. I know it may not work but would be fun to watch when Dame gets Healthy.

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[paulpressey25]

Stop the presses! An internet mock trade that actually seems way too good for the Bucks?

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-idea-sends-herb-jones-and-cj-mccollum-to-bucks-hawks-get-backup-big-man-01jy1wvvw46m?utm_source=RSS

It looks good on paper but you have to hope Yves is a player. CJ turns 34 before the season. Herb is nice.