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Re: KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired 

Post#1661 » by Zeezprah » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:35 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:To be clear, I doubt there are many coaches out there who havent been players sometime, somewhere, at some level.
That's not the problem. The problem is picking a coach based on what kind of player he was, that's dumb.

It's like writing songs and singing songs, you can very easily be the best in one and totally crap in the other, or crap in both or the best in both, or anything in between. It's two different talents that look related, but they really aren't.



Yea, it's really no different than any other profession really. Many people are great at their jobs, but make terrible managers because they can't teach/don't know how to manage people. That's Kidd to a T.
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Re: KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired 

Post#1662 » by worthlessBucks » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:57 pm

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Re: KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired 

Post#1663 » by nk657 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:59 pm

JEIS wrote:
Treebeard wrote:
JEIS wrote:

After reading this, I totally did a 360° on my opinion of Kidd.


The cynic in me thinks the agent recommended this bit of damage control.


He is just being a Dick... trying to sabotage "continuity". Kidd saw first hand what kind of damage the Jabari letter did.

Probably why He and Jabari had a strained relationship.

(green)


Trying to sabotage continuity???
I Guess he was suppose to say "The future is gloomy for Milwaukee"
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Re: KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired 

Post#1664 » by JEIS » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:08 pm

nk657 wrote:
JEIS wrote:
Treebeard wrote:
The cynic in me thinks the agent recommended this bit of damage control.


He is just being a Dick... trying to sabotage "continuity". Kidd saw first hand what kind of damage the Jabari letter did.

Probably why He and Jabari had a strained relationship.

(green)


Trying to sabotage continuity???
I Guess he was suppose to say "The future is gloomy for Milwaukee"
Grow up.



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Re: KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired 

Post#1665 » by thomchatt3rton » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:35 pm

Anybody post this yet?



I think somebody did.

But starting around 5:25, he discusses how the defensive struggles weren't clearly entirely on Kidd- lots of video of Bledsoe f*cking up.

The rebuttal that maybe we should've changed our D if guys can't get it/the personnel was wrong is a fair one.
But I think it's important to keep our other, non-Kidd issues in mind- people have high expectations of how much this team is going to improve automatically just by losing Kidd. Maybe expectations should be a bit more tempered.
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Post#1667 » by thomchatt3rton » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:58 pm

Dante80 wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bucks-great-defensive-experiment-is-over/


Ha! I just came here to see if anybody posted this. Nothing we here haven't already discussed at length.

It's kind of an interesting point of view to lament the scheme's demise because the "NBA is more interesting with a varied ecosystem" (an opinion which only a non-Bucks fan has the luxury for) but in general I'd agree.
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Post#1668 » by emunney » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:30 pm

thomchatt3rton wrote:
Dante80 wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bucks-great-defensive-experiment-is-over/


Ha! I just came here to see if anybody posted this. Nothing we here haven't already discussed at length.

It's kind of an interesting point of view to lament the scheme's demise because the "NBA is more interesting with a varied ecosystem" (an opinion which only a non-Bucks fan has the luxury for) but in general I'd agree.
That's fine but nobody's pissed that there isn't a car with triangular wheels. We still have Giannis and that alone makes us unique enough.
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Post#1669 » by thomchatt3rton » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:59 am

emunney wrote:
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Dante80 wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bucks-great-defensive-experiment-is-over/


Ha! I just came here to see if anybody posted this. Nothing we here haven't already discussed at length.

It's kind of an interesting point of view to lament the scheme's demise because the "NBA is more interesting with a varied ecosystem" (an opinion which only a non-Bucks fan has the luxury for) but in general I'd agree.
That's fine but nobody's pissed that there isn't a car with triangular wheels. We still have Giannis and that alone makes us unique enough.


Oh I'm not trying to say it wasn't frivolous
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Post#1670 » by Fresh_Prince12 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:09 am




Not to beat a dead horse but god damn, how stupid can some ex players be?
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Post#1671 » by Pachinko_ » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:27 am

Fresh_Prince12 wrote:Not to beat a dead horse but god damn, how stupid can some ex players be?

It's not about that, they just hate it when ex-players are criticised. Especially x-players who became coaches, because they all want to have the coaching window open for them without having to go through the assistant coach internship.

And they particularly hate it when x players from their generation are criticized because it means their collective understanding of the game is outdated. Which it is, and it might make them collectively less appealing for TV jobs etc.
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Post#1672 » by thomchatt3rton » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:04 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
Fresh_Prince12 wrote:Not to beat a dead horse but god damn, how stupid can some ex players be?

It's not about that, they just hate it when ex-players are criticised. Especially x-players who became coaches, because they all want to have the coaching window open for them without having to go through the assistant coach internship.

And they particularly hate it when x players from their generation are criticized because it means their collective understanding of the game is outdated. Which it is, and it might make them collectively less appealing for TV jobs etc.


Eh. Reggie Miller isn't really pursuing a coaching gig though, is he? And, he's no less out-of-date than any other broadcaster (neither has being out-of-date ever been a detriment to a broadcasters career, ever).

I think comments like this are partially just boring ol' run-of-the-mill professional courtesy and partially just boring ol' respect for a (former) peer- nothing more. To read too much into this feels like a stretch to me.
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Post#1673 » by nk657 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:55 pm

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Not to beat a dead horse but god damn, how stupid can some ex players be?


SO the great Reggie was added to the looooong list of NBA players who think that firing Kidd was a huge mistake ha?

You know what happens dont you? ....

Doesn't strike you weird that there is actually no one from those who played this game, that agree with the stupid fans?


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Post#1674 » by 0BobLobLaw0 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:06 pm

nk657 wrote:
Fresh_Prince12 wrote:


Not to beat a dead horse but god damn, how stupid can some ex players be?


SO the great Reggie was added to the looooong list of NBA players who think that firing Kidd was a huge mistake ha?

You know what happens dont you? ....

Doesn't strike you weird that there is actually no one from those who played this game, that agree with the stupid fans?


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Post#1675 » by Diggr14 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:12 pm

Im totally on board with the ball not being in Giannis’ hands right away. I think he is most effective when getting the ball on the elbow or in the block. I actually cringe every time he charges from the top of the key and euros to the hole... I’m thinking knee/ankle injury every time i see that.

If you want to prolong his career and effectiveness, get him the ball closer to the hoop where he can use his explosion or his counter fadeaway more. The charge to the hoop and euro is nice, but I think he overuses it and if I were the coach, i’d be worried about that for the long term.

That being said, Bledsoe isn’t a traditional PG. I’d love to see them get a Mike Conley in here.
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Post#1676 » by nk657 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:27 pm

Diggr14 wrote:Im totally on board with the ball not being in Giannis’ hands right away. I think he is most effective when getting the ball on the elbow or in the block. I actually cringe every time he charges from the top of the key and euros to the hole... I’m thinking knee/ankle injury every time i see that.

If you want to prolong his career and effectiveness, get him the ball closer to the hoop where he can use his explosion or his counter fadeaway more. The charge to the hoop and euro is nice, but I think he overuses it and if I were the coach, i’d be worried about that for the long term.

That being said, Bledsoe isn’t a traditional PG. I’d love to see them get a Mike Conley in here.


Good Post.

The closer to the rim he gets the ball, the more effective he is. But its not only about Giannis, Its mostly how the rest of the players perform next to Giannis. Besides Conley, who could be great as you said the thing they could do is this:

1. Trade Jabari with Kemba. Eitherway they will have to pay Jabari lots of bucks. Charlotte would love to have a franchise young player.

2. Give away Snell and Delly for expiring contracts to clear space, and sign DeAndre Jordan too. With Kemba Midds,Giannis and Dj You will get into the conf finals in no time. Thats how you build. And you need to do all this before Giannis contract expires and runs to Celtics.

Instead what they are doing now is to blame the coach , hoping they will magically find another Steve Kerr, and that Jabari will be healthy enough and that he will match with Giannis.

Lots Of False Hopes. There is no management in Milwaukee. They don't have the right personnel to take the right decisions.
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Post#1677 » by Rockmaninoff » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:57 pm

I keep expecting him to be back from a hip procedure any day now. Still can't believe he was fired mid season.
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Post#1678 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:37 am

Rockmaninoff wrote:I keep expecting him to be back from a hip procedure any day now. Still can't believe he was fired mid season.


It does seem a bit surreal that he's gone. But that is a testament to how influential he was in that organization. He imprinted everything.
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Post#1679 » by SkilesTheLimit » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:04 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:I keep expecting him to be back from a hip procedure any day now. Still can't believe he was fired mid season.


It does seem a bit surreal that he's gone. But that is a testament to how influential he was in that organization. He imprinted everything.


Exactly. Which is why some of us from the get-go took a step back and were not in awe of his name and career accomplishments as a player. He burned bridges everywhere, had a huge ego, and craved power. What could go wrong?

Of all things I feared it was Kidd demanding authority to draft and choose FAs. I think he had a huge hand in drafting the 3 headed bust machine of Vaughn/Maker/Wilson. Small market organizations cannot afford to bust on 1st round draft picks (let alone 3 in a row). We will see where this franchise goes from here but it sure feels like we've been cured of cancer.
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Post#1680 » by chonestown » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:37 am

Going to come right out and say it. I like it that Jason Kidd is not the coach [anymore] of the Bucks [NBA team in Milwaukee].

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