ATL - LMA retires with heart issue - pg 78

Wonka · Post #1661 » by **Wonka** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:04 am

HaroldinGMinor wrote::lol:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-heat-concerned-tyler-herro-191203649.html

Interesting read honestly. Especially the tidbit about the concerns about The Big Three’s collective ego back in the day. Re: Herro...anytime you have that meteoric of a rise at his age, you’re gonna have some growing pains. I don’t envy the attention the kid gets.

th87 · Post #1662 » by **th87** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:44 am

emunney wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:Idk if Mike James will get any serious run on the Nets but Ive always been intrigued by him.

Hit Mike James up on the low cause Mike James about to BLOW

At 281-330-8004

Which was just as valuable as Hammond's phone number for a time.

skones · Post #1663 » by **skones** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:13 am

SupremeHustle wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:

Had no idea this legend was making a comeback.

You're confusing the casusals.

Will never forget the interview he did when he was a Raptor, just blessing us all with sound bites like, "WHEN IS IT MIKE JAMES TIME, WHEN IS IT MIKE JAMES TIME TO GET PAID."

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skones · Post #1664 » by **skones** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:14 am

blazza18 wrote:What he's doing despite the flaws of the roster/Kerr's offensive philosophy is quite incredible.

He's doing what LeBron didn't with that young Lakers team a couple of years back.

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FlagsFlyForever · Post #1665 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:59 am

skones wrote:
blazza18 wrote:What he's doing despite the flaws of the roster/Kerr's offensive philosophy is quite incredible.
He's doing what LeBron didn't with that young Lakers team a couple of years back.

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I mean Steph is amazing but the 2019 Lakers were the #4 seed at the time LeBron got injured.

blazza18 · Post #1666 » by **blazza18** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:09 am

ElPeregrino wrote:
skones wrote:
blazza18 wrote:What he's doing despite the flaws of the roster/Kerr's offensive philosophy is quite incredible.
He's doing what LeBron didn't with that young Lakers team a couple of years back.

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I mean Steph is amazing but the 2019 Lakers were the #4 seed at the time LeBron got injured.

They were like 15-12 or something at the time.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1667 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:13 am

blazza18 wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:
skones wrote:He's doing what LeBron didn't with that young Lakers team a couple of years back.

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I mean Steph is amazing but the 2019 Lakers were the #4 seed at the time LeBron got injured.

They were like 15-12 or something at the time.

They were 20-14.

https://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401070236

skones · Post #1668 » by **skones** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:36 am

ElPeregrino wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:I mean Steph is amazing but the 2019 Lakers were the #4 seed at the time LeBron got injured.

They were like 15-12 or something at the time.

They were 20-14.

https://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401070236

And when "playoff mode" was activated, they went 9-16 and 8-13 with Lebron in the lineup. The Lakers were 2 games over .500 when Lebron returned at 27-25. The Clippers who finished in the 8th seed were 28-24. The Lakers were WELL within the playoff picture.

There's this narrative that Lebron's injury completely derailed that Lakers campaign and it's untrue. It was Lebron's pouting, trying to get his entire team traded in a very public way, and the impact that had on his overall ability to lead that team that was a far larger issue.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1669 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:18 am

skones wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:They were 20-14.

https://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401070236

And when "playoff mode" was activated, they went 9-16 and 8-13 with Lebron in the lineup. The Lakers were 2 games over .500 when Lebron returned at 27-25. The Clippers who finished in the 8th seed were 28-24. The Lakers were WELL within the playoff picture.

There's this narrative that Lebron's injury completely derailed that Lakers campaign and it's untrue. It was Lebron's pouting, trying to get his entire team traded in a very public way, and the impact that had on his overall ability to lead that team that was a far larger issue.

Isn't it rather curious that the downfall of the 2019 Lakers coincided exactly when LeBron got injured? Are you suggesting that LeBron was a great leader up until the moment he got injured?

When LeBron returned, the Lakers had fallen to 2 games behind the 8 seed. LeBron rushed back too soon and played injured the rest of the season. He missed 10 more games after his return. There were reports at the time suggesting he was playing at less than 100% such as this.

The Lakers are privately a little concerned about LeBron, Is he fully healed from the groin strain that cost him a career-worst 18 games? Is he going to pick up his intensity and propel this team back into the playoffs, as he did last year in Cleveland? James, 34, is actually averaging a triple double for the Lakers since his return from injury (23.2 points, 10.8 rebounds, 11.0 assists), but he’s just not moving at the same speed nor is he engaging at the point of attack. That fourth-quarter moment in a loss to the Hawks on Wednesday in which Trae Young switched onto LeBron, and instead of taking the much smaller Young off the dribble LeBron casually threw the ball to Brandon Ingram in the corner? There are several examples like this.

truly · Post #1670 » by **truly** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:26 am

I don't buy that LeBron rushed back at all.The dude is notorious for taking care of his body and not caring about the regular season.That's just the media spin for his failure.That season was a disaster for him.Not only did he fail to get the Lakers back into the playoffs after activating playoff mode but his leadership was a joke after trying to trade his teammates all season.

Bucksfan28 · Post #1671 » by **Bucksfan28** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:42 pm

Pretty comical to bring up the 2019 Lakers when LeBron dragged a pretty awful roster Cavs roster to the Finals just a year before at 34 y/o.

ABucksFan · Post #1672 » by **ABucksFan** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:18 pm

Everyone is getting injured and we're kind of getting healthy? I'm preparing for a Finals Run....but the Bucks fan in me is telling me No...

Ron Swanson · Post #1673 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:35 pm

Harden's hamstring and weight issues don't seem to be going away. That's the wildcard here. Starting to look like it's better to draw the Nets in the 2nd round with Harden and KD on the mend as opposed to waiting until the ECF.

skones · Post #1674 » by **skones** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:25 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
skones wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:They were 20-14.

https://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401070236

And when "playoff mode" was activated, they went 9-16 and 8-13 with Lebron in the lineup. The Lakers were 2 games over .500 when Lebron returned at 27-25. The Clippers who finished in the 8th seed were 28-24. The Lakers were WELL within the playoff picture.

There's this narrative that Lebron's injury completely derailed that Lakers campaign and it's untrue. It was Lebron's pouting, trying to get his entire team traded in a very public way, and the impact that had on his overall ability to lead that team that was a far larger issue.

Isn't it rather curious that the downfall of the 2019 Lakers coincided exactly when LeBron got injured? Are you suggesting that LeBron was a great leader up until the moment he got injured?

When LeBron returned, the Lakers had fallen to 2 games behind the 8 seed. LeBron rushed back too soon and played injured the rest of the season. He missed 10 more games after his return. There were reports at the time suggesting he was playing at less than 100% such as this.

The Lakers are privately a little concerned about LeBron, Is he fully healed from the groin strain that cost him a career-worst 18 games? Is he going to pick up his intensity and propel this team back into the playoffs, as he did last year in Cleveland? James, 34, is actually averaging a triple double for the Lakers since his return from injury (23.2 points, 10.8 rebounds, 11.0 assists), but he’s just not moving at the same speed nor is he engaging at the point of attack. That fourth-quarter moment in a loss to the Hawks on Wednesday in which Trae Young switched onto LeBron, and instead of taking the much smaller Young off the dribble LeBron casually threw the ball to Brandon Ingram in the corner? There are several examples like this.

I mean, it's pretty clear the downfall didn't actually occur when he get hurt as I've laid out. Why even respond when you're going to assert that the downfall happened "exactly when he got hurt" when I explicitly laid out that it wasn't? What DID happen around that time though? The trade deadline.....

I don't for a second think that LeBron was just hurt for those games down the stretch. He was sitting out to save face.
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emunney · Post #1675 » by **emunney** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:30 pm

If you were to take every Finals team and remove the best player, has there ever been a worse roster to win a conference finals than this one?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2018-nba-eastern-conference-finals-cavaliers-vs-celtics.html

Ron Swanson · Post #1676 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:38 pm

The '99 Knicks and '02-03 Nets say hi.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1677 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:50 pm

emunney wrote:If you were to take every Finals team and remove the best player, has there ever been a worse roster to win a conference finals than this one?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2018-nba-eastern-conference-finals-cavaliers-vs-celtics.html

Maybe that Sixers team that made the finals after the refs **** the Bucks.

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Post #1678 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:04 pm

emunney wrote:If you were to take every Finals team and remove the best player, has there ever been a worse roster to win a conference finals than this one?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2018-nba-eastern-conference-finals-cavaliers-vs-celtics.html

LeBron's first Cleveland NBA Finals team.

Ruben Quevedo · Post #1679 » by **Ruben Quevedo** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:08 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The '99 Knicks and '02-03 Nets say hi.

That '99 Knicks team had quite a bit of talent...and I'm not even sure who their best player was between Houston, Spree, and healthy Ewing. Childs, Ward, LJ, Camby...loved that team. They were an 8 seed but that was the lockout year, so I wouldn't put much stock in the regular season records.

skones · Post #1680 » by **skones** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:19 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
emunney wrote:If you were to take every Finals team and remove the best player, has there ever been a worse roster to win a conference finals than this one?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2018-nba-eastern-conference-finals-cavaliers-vs-celtics.html

LeBron's first Cleveland NBA Finals team.

The 05-06 Mavericks are up there too.

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