Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35

[freewhitemoon]

Bill simmons voted giannis 1st team all defense

Though he also had Austin Rivers 2nd team

I'm surprised I'm not hearing more buzz about Giannis as 1st team All-Defense or a top 4 or 5 choice for DPOY. He nearly averaged 2 blocks and 2 steals a game. He's, IMO, the most versatile defensive player in the league. But guys like Lowe didn't even put him on the second team All-Defense,

Lowe cares about team success as well which is why he never considers Demarcus for all NBA. And the Bucks are 20th in defense

[Ron Swanson]

I'll never understand the obsession with crediting individual players for team defensive efficiency. They don't do the same for offense. If you replace Giannis with Draymond, we're still likely sitting around 20th in D-Rtg.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I'll never understand the obsession with crediting individual players for team defensive efficiency. They don't do the same for offense. If you replace Giannis with Draymond, we're still likely sitting around 20th in D-Rtg.

I agree and disagree. I don't think good team is because of one player, but I think one player can make a team d decent. Giannis still has a lot to learn on how to use his defensive skills. IMO, if he was a top defender in this league he would bring out d up as a whole. Just my opinion and will let you win with an argument that Kidd is hanstringing him. I just think giannis can develop into a more consistent defender.

[turbostef]

Not much love for Giannis on D.

Giannis is a one man transition defense

2 Steals 2 Blocks and not even in DPOY Talk?

Are you insane?

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[freewhitemoon]

Our defense would be definitely better than 20th if we had Gobert/Draymond imo

[greekbuck34]

Our defense would be definitely better than 20th if we had Gobert/Draymond imo

The thing is that the primary role of these guys is defense. Gobert at the rim and Draymond in general. On offence Gobert just makes the screens and gets ready for an offensive rebound and Draymond passes to Curry, Klay and Durant and when they are all guarded he just lobs it to Javale Mcgee. That's why they are so good at it. They don't have the pressure of Giannis or Leonard as the primary scorers and in Giannis case the playmaking above all else too.

So our defense will definitely be better with Draymond and Gobert on the roles they have in their current teams because that's what they mainly bring.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Our defense would be definitely better than 20th if we had Gobert/Draymond imo

The thing is that the primary role of these guys is defense. Gobert at the rim and Draymond in general. On offence Gobert just makes the screens and gets ready for an offensive rebound and Draymond passes to Curry, Klay and Durant and when they are all guarded he just lobs it to Javale Mcgee. That's why they are so good at it. They don't have the pressure of Giannis or Leonard as the primary scorers and in Giannis case the playmaking above all else too.

So our defense will definitely be better with Draymond and Gobert on the roles they have in their current teams because that's what they mainly bring.

Not saying your are wrong but aren't you basically saying giannis doesn't play have the impact on d that others guys do because he is tired from the offensive end? That to me is close to saying lebron could be MVP and put up the numbers but he chose to save his energy for the players. You just can't give the award of potential capabilities.

[humanrefutation]

Our defense would be definitely better than 20th if we had Gobert/Draymond imo

Gobert is arguable because on one hand, he's such a significant rim protector, but on the other hand, he can't guard wings. I definitely disagree with Draymond, though.

[JimmyTheKid]

http://deadspin.com/enjoy-a-seasons-worth-of-amazing-giannis-antetokounmpo-1794337359

[jakecronus8]

http://deadspin.com/enjoy-a-seasons-worth-of-amazing-giannis-antetokounmpo-1794337359

I came. I saw. I came again.

[greekbuck34]

Our defense would be definitely better than 20th if we had Gobert/Draymond imo

The thing is that the primary role of these guys is defense. Gobert at the rim and Draymond in general. On offence Gobert just makes the screens and gets ready for an offensive rebound and Draymond passes to Curry, Klay and Durant and when they are all guarded he just lobs it to Javale Mcgee. That's why they are so good at it. They don't have the pressure of Giannis or Leonard as the primary scorers and in Giannis case the playmaking above all else too.

So our defense will definitely be better with Draymond and Gobert on the roles they have in their current teams because that's what they mainly bring.

Not saying your are wrong but aren't you basically saying giannis doesn't play have the impact on d that others guys do because he is tired from the offensive end? That to me is close to saying lebron could be MVP and put up the numbers but he chose to save his energy for the players. You just can't give the award of potential capabilities.

Yeap.
Lebron's defense in the playoffs is completely different. On this regular season he didn't even bother to come back for the transition defense 90% of the time or he wouldn't bother on protecting the rim on 50/50 plays for the kind of athlete he is. He spent all of his energy on offense mainly because he knows that he can't risk pressuring his body that much and he doesn't have to do it in order of reaching the play offs anyway.

Giannis is 22 and he won't conserve energy on any part of his game right now because the Bucks needed him to be everywhere in order of making the playoffs. He gave 100% effort in every part of his game and thats why he wasn't that consistent either on offense or defense(foul trouble) in the second halfs where he was playing most of the time without a breather or on the b2bs. That hurts your ratings.
Giannis doesn't deserve the DPOY right now but he could win it in the future if the Bucks have a top 3 defense no matter the energy he will spend at the time just like Leonard the previous years because in the end he will always be the defensive anchor of the Bucks.

The clear DPOY for me is D. Green because he is more versatile defender than Gobert and he is also the leader of his team in that area too. He guides his teammates, he defends inside/outside and he can disrupt the mental balance of his opponent with his trash and dirty plays.

[Prez]

Giannis could easily win like 3-4 DPOYs in a row if he really dedicated himself to that end of the floor 100% and if we didn't run an absolutely idiotic scheme. As it stands though with all of his other responsibilities he just doesn't have the focus, attention to detail, and motor to constantly be a force on that end like Draymond or Gobert who treat that end of the floor like their life depends on it. And the fact that he's regularly being asked to do impossible things (like most of our team) with our defensive scheme doesn't help either.

[demonaz]

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[HKPackFan]

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[HKPackFan]

A fun read on Giannis:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-giannis-antetokounmpo-is-folding-the-basketball-floor-like-origami-vs-the-raptors/

[HKPackFan]

More Giannis awesomeness.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/04/18/giannis-antetokounmpo-bucks-raptors-nba-playoffs

[Prez]

God

[Dante80]

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Giannis has developed very well for yet another season. Got some more lean muscle weight without losing explosiveness, balance or speed, learned how to play in a more physical way both in offense and defense, and it much more difficult to guard now, than last year.

The team has started to properly incorporate his physical attributes into half court strategy too. Due to the penetration danger that Giannis presents, opposing teams have to either give him space for rim protection or to double team. The Bucks are starting to use this to their advantage, with Giannis forcing the double team to expose an unopposed assist to the perimeter.

The next stage is to eliminate the space given by the opposing defense, by having Giannis develop a dependable JS from range. I'm pretty sure that Giannis is going to focus on this during the off-season.

And if he masters it, he will be a truly terrifying all around player. With no weaknesses left.

[xTitan]

I think this is actually pretty huge....I agree with everyone who questions Kidd as a game day coach, lots to be desired, but when it comes to player development he gets huge marks for Zgiannis, Thon, Middleton, and Parker to a certain extent.

Mark Stein said today the Kidd is working hard to get Dirk's shooting coach to work all summer with Giannis, he seems to believe Kidd will pull this off, this will be huge.

[Chad34]

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What an amazing story Giannis is!!! They need to make a movie about him someday!