2017 TV/Movie/Book Thread with Spoilers

[hege53190]

GOT

Spoiler:

An OK episode. I am still really irritated that they have to go down the substandard TV route of having people make totally irrational choices to further the plot. Whatever. I guess it is still game of thrones. I just hate that Arya and Sansa are feuding for no apparent reason. Sansa is still the dumbest person on the show. They went north of the wall and lost a dragon for zero reason.

Most TV shows fall into this trap. GOT seemed special because there was always a reason people acted in a particular manner. Not anymore. I guess I am glad there are only 7 episodes left so they don't have to go to far down this rabbit hole.

[Turk Nowitzki]

The Talk the Thrones crew on The Ringer is ripping this GoT episode apart right now and I agree with a lot of it.

[FrieAaron]

Solid episode, but there are definitely lots of little things you can poke holes in if you wanted to. My wife called immediately how it would end as soon as

Spoiler:

Daeny left for the north with her dragons.

I've long suspected that

Spoiler:

the servants of the Lord of Light are unknowingly on the side of the Night King. I still think it might be true after tonight.

[RRyder823]

GoT

Spoiler:

Good episode that doesn't hold up against the episode 9 of past seasons.

Much of it was telegraphed and quite honestly unless they were on that damn island for a month there's no logical explanation how Dany got there in time other then the plot demanded it.

I actually really like the Arya Sansa feud. Shows how good Littlefinger is at what he does.

But common. Do they really have to steer so far into the incest shipping that FB has been doing with Dany and Jon? Did he propose there at the end? Like damn. Just cause they've been shipped online doesn't mean you gotta put them together. At this point I'm pretty convinced the final scene this season will be them exchanging their vows.

Yes a dragon died but how does only one character with a name tag die in what's supposed to be the "oh ****" episode.

I enjoyed it but damn if if they aren't just doing everything for fan service

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[MadBlueEdwards]

Only on Episode 5 of The Defenders but Jessica Jones is single-handedly saving this thing right now.

I really want to watch this, but am very uninterested in finishing the last six episodes of Iron Fist so that I know what's going on at the beginning of Defenders.

[FrieAaron]

GoT

Spoiler:

Good episode that doesn't hold up against the episode 9 of past seasons.

Much of it was telegraphed and quite honestly unless they were on that damn island for a month there's no logical explanation how Dany got there in time other then the plot demanded it.

I actually really like the Arya Sansa feud. Shows how good Littlefinger is at what he does.

But common. Do they really have to steer so far into the incest shipping that FB has been doing with Dany and Jon? Did he propose there at the end? Like damn. Just cause they've been shipped online doesn't mean you gotta put them together. At this point I'm pretty convinced the final scene this season will be them exchanging their vows.

Yes a dragon died but how does only one character with a name tag die in what's supposed to be the "oh ****" episode.

I enjoyed it but damn if if they aren't just doing everything for fan service

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Spoiler:

I mean, the Targaryen's have a history of incest so in that way it makes sense. I am kind of surprised that HBO hasn't shied away from it more, though.

And yeah, they red-shirted the hell out of this episode. Even worse, they gave those extras zero screentime. I was confused who the hell kept dying.

[humanrefutation]

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Even worse, they gave those extras zero screentime. I was confused who the hell kept dying.

Spoiler:

LOL, I had the same reaction. I was like "oh ****, is that Gen...oh no, he's still fighting over there. Wait, is that Ber...nope, another random nobody.

[humanrefutation]

More thoughts on GOT as more of you have seen it:

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I really feel like I would have had more respect for this episode if more familiar faces croaked. Instead, I get the suspicion that B&W don't have the testicular fortitude to kill of a favored face. I mean, of all the people who set out, Thoros was probably the the one guy they could have dropped without fans batting an eye.

I also think the implausibity of Dany's arrival was one of the worst plot moves in the history of the show. It's so lazy and uncreative. In so many respects, it made me question B&W and their capacity to do the rest of the show justice.

If they were going to dig themselves that hole by having the Magnificent Seven go on this dumbass journey to capture a wight, they should have at least come up with a better way out than that. One that actually was plausible.

And let's not forget their reason to travel North - to prove to Cersei the WW exist. I'm almost rooting for Cersei to kill them anyway because the heroes of this story are **** idiots.

[blazza18]

Only on Episode 5 of The Defenders but Jessica Jones is single-handedly saving this thing right now.

JJ and Elektra.

[blazza18]

I really want to watch this, but am very uninterested in finishing the last six episodes of Iron Fist so that I know what's going on at the beginning of Defenders.

Honestly you can get away with skipping straight ahead if you want. Just watch/read a recap of it.

[emunney]

GoT blew a 3-1 lead.

[jakecronus8]

GOT

Spoiler:

Sometimes you gotta put away the over analyzing hat and just enjoy something that is presented in an overwhelmingly entertaining way. Plot hole? Implausibility? For sure. But ladies and gents, we're watching a show about dragons and an undead ice zombie army in a fictional fantasy land with prophecies, curses, spells etc. Its fantasy entertainment and quite honestly the best fantasy story that's ever been told. With so few episodes left I'm focusing on enjoying the ride.

ETA: The top 5 GOT deaths that have most **** me up in order:

1) Hodor
2) Any of the direwolves
3) The giant from the battle of the bastards
4) Viserion
5) Ned

Jon Snow initially made the list but I quickly realized he wasn't dead dead. Oddly I wasn't really bothered much by the red wedding as Robb was super annoying in his bad decision making.

[jimmybones]

More thoughts on GOT as more of you have seen it:

Spoiler:

I really feel like I would have had more respect for this episode if more familiar faces croaked. Instead, I get the suspicion that B&W don't have the testicular fortitude to kill of a favored face. I mean, of all the people who set out, Thoros was probably the the one guy they could have dropped without fans batting an eye.

I also think the implausibity of Dany's arrival was one of the worst plot moves in the history of the show. It's so lazy and uncreative. In so many respects, it made me question B&W and their capacity to do the rest of the show justice.

If they were going to dig themselves that hole by having the Magnificent Seven go on this dumbass journey to capture a wight, they should have at least come up with a better way out than that. One that actually was plausible.

And let's not forget their reason to travel North - to prove to Cersei the WW exist. I'm almost rooting for Cersei to kill them anyway because the heroes of this story are **** idiots.

Spoiler:

I'm right there with you. Biggest issues for me were:

1. Time travel, plot advancement or not, should have had a better story for how Dany got there.

2. No names dying. I also had no idea who was dropping and feel like they don't have the balls to do something big.

3. Why they didn't have a better exit strategy in the first place is really dumb.

I enjoyed the episode, but moreso because the dragons are so bad ass and the visuals were so cool. The writing is clearly not what it once was, but some of the stuff doesn't bother me as much as it seems to a lot of others.

[th87]

GOT

Spoiler:

Sometimes you gotta put away the over analyzing hat and just enjoy something that is presented in an overwhelmingly entertaining way. Plot hole? Implausibility? For sure. But ladies and gents, we're watching a show about dragons and an undead ice zombie army in a fictional fantasy land with prophecies, curses, spells etc. Its fantasy entertainment and quite honestly the best fantasy story that's ever been told. With so few episodes left I'm focusing on enjoying the ride.

ETA: The top 5 GOT deaths that have most **** me up in order:

1) Hodor
2) Any of the direwolves
3) The giant from the battle of the bastards
4) Viserion
5) Ned

Jon Snow initially made the list but I quickly realized he wasn't dead dead. Oddly I wasn't really bothered much by the red wedding as Robb was super annoying in his bad decision making.

Spoiler:

I can't, man. If "dragons and zombies" was carte blanche for anything, then none of us should complain if they decide to go with an alien invasion that kills off the WW with lasers and carries Jon via flying saucer to the Iron Throne.

[th87]

I really wish I wasn't so salty, but that was one of the worst episodes of the series, I think. Plot holes being masked by shock value isn't good TV.

Spoiler:

My complaints, some major, others less so:

1. The plan is blisteringly stupid on its face. They want to undertake an impossible mission - risking the northern king/alliance - against an enemy of a gazillion zombies that they barely survived with an army last season - but this time with only a couple of people to somehow kidnap one of them, somehow fight the gazillion minus one off, and somehow make it back hundreds of miles to safety, all to *maybe* convince stupid and untrustworthy Cersei to commit what few forces she has left to the great war to come, when Daenerys can easily win the Iron Throne in about 30 more seconds (and possibly have Cersei executed for the murders of Margaery, et al.; the people would be behind that).

Watching the plan being executed was somehow even worse.

2. Guys - we really, really need Dragonglass to fight the armies of the dead - it's their weakness. We dedicated a lot of air time to driving this point home, but let's decide not to take any on this trip and use these regular crappy weapons instead.

3. Gendry - run for a few hours (and somehow know the way back), send a raven that would take at least day to get there, and let's wait here and play video games until Daenerys (who somehow knows the way here) shows up.

4. It's winter. The lake would've completely solidified that far north (it was frozen in the summer).

5. Their stupid plan gets undone because The Hound decides to go full Leroy Jenkins. They couldn't have come up with something less absurd?

6. WTF was Jon doing? Get on the dragon and get to safety!

7. Totally could've fit Benjen on the horse. It's undead, so it doesn't suffer fatigue.

8. Unless Arya's playing Littlefinger, her behavior is way too over the top. Possibly more plot contrivance.

At this point, I have zero faith in D&D to bring this home satisfactorily. Complete hacks.

[freewhitemoon]

I really wish I wasn't so salty, but that was one of the worst episodes of the series, I think. Plot holes being masked by shock value isn't good TV.

Spoiler:

My complaints, some major, others less so:

1. The plan is blisteringly stupid on its face. They want to undertake an impossible mission - risking the northern king/alliance - against an enemy of a gazillion zombies that they barely survived with an army last season - but this time with only a couple of people to somehow kidnap one of them, somehow fight the gazillion minus one off, and somehow make it back hundreds of miles to safety, all to *maybe* convince stupid and untrustworthy Cersei to commit what few forces she has left to the great war to come, when Daenerys can easily win the Iron Throne in about 30 more seconds (and possibly have Cersei executed for the murders of Margaery, et al.; the people would be behind that).

Watching the plan being executed was somehow even worse.

2. Guys - we really, really need Dragonglass to fight the armies of the dead - it's their weakness. We dedicated a lot of air time to driving this point home, but let's decide not to take any on this trip and use these regular crappy weapons instead.

3. Gendry - run for a few hours (and somehow know the way back), send a raven that would take at least day to get there, and let's wait here and play video games until Daenerys (who somehow knows the way here) shows up.

4. It's winter. The lake would've completely solidified that far north (it was frozen in the summer).

5. Their stupid plan gets undone because The Hound decides to go full Leroy Jenkins. They couldn't have come up with something less absurd?

6. WTF was Jon doing? Get on the dragon and get to safety!

7. Totally could've fit Benjen on the horse. It's undead, so it doesn't suffer fatigue.

8. Unless Arya's playing Littlefinger, her behavior is way too over the top. Possibly more plot contrivance.

At this point, I have zero faith in D&D to bring this home satisfactorily. Complete hacks.

Spoiler:

Yeah, Benjen sacrificed himself for no fken reason lol. From what I recall that horse carried him + bran and meera a couple seasons ago.

Also have no idea what the Arya, Sansa dynamics are about... their interaction is weird af. I still enjoy the show, dont get me wrong,
but huge difference in quality of plot/dialogue when they are actually writing everything compared to back when they were just adapting a story.

[El Duderino]

More thoughts on GOT as more of you have seen it:

Spoiler:

I really feel like I would have had more respect for this episode if more familiar faces croaked. Instead, I get the suspicion that B&W don't have the testicular fortitude to kill of a favored face. I mean, of all the people who set out, Thoros was probably the the one guy they could have dropped without fans batting an eye.

I also think the implausibity of Dany's arrival was one of the worst plot moves in the history of the show. It's so lazy and uncreative. In so many respects, it made me question B&W and their capacity to do the rest of the show justice.

If they were going to dig themselves that hole by having the Magnificent Seven go on this dumbass journey to capture a wight, they should have at least come up with a better way out than that. One that actually was plausible.

And let's not forget their reason to travel North - to prove to Cersei the WW exist. I'm almost rooting for Cersei to kill them anyway because the heroes of this story are **** idiots.

Spoiler:

That episode sucked asss.

Beyond the nonsense of Dany's arrival when she did, somehow you had seven guys fighting off a huge swarm of utterly futile walkers. From an article in the Ringer sums it up perfectly.

https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2017/8/20/16170748/season-7-episode-6-recap-beyond-the-wall

"Let’s start with the setup for that battle, which strained credulity even before its plot-serving purpose became nakedly obvious. In order to fully invest in a conflict, it’s necessary to understand and believe in what’s at stake for both sides. That’s what made “The Spoils of War” such remarkable television: not the spectacle of the fighting itself, per se, but our sympathy for the combatants and comprehension of the circumstances that put them at odds. “Beyond the Wall” goes the opposite direction: I don’t believe that bringing a wight to Cersei would persuade her to lend Jon her support; I don’t believe Dany would be so casual about her prospective ally and love interest turning to her direct competition for help; and, most importantly, I don’t believe so many people would uncritically accept this convoluted scheme as a good idea. Before the credits even began, then, I was immediately less engaged with the events of “Beyond the Wall” than I have been with other Thrones face-offs, largely because the story was conspicuously short on the internal logic Thrones prides itself on.

But “Beyond the Wall” is short on a much more basic form of internal cohesion as well: the logistical kind. Benioff and Weiss have played notoriously fast and loose with information flow and travel times all season long. This episode, however, exaggerates that hand-waving to an almost preposterous degree. Though it’s not exactly clear how much time Jon’s raiding party spends trapped on the rock surrounded by the wight army (several hours? several days?), it doesn’t feel like nearly enough for Gendry to run all the way back to the Wall, the maester in residence to send a raven, Daenerys to receive said raven, and the dragons to fly all the way from Dragonstone to Jon and friends’ precise location—just in time to rescue every character of importance with zero major human fatalities. (Sorry, Thoros, but you don’t exactly count.)"

[FrieAaron]

I really wish I wasn't so salty, but that was one of the worst episodes of the series, I think. Plot holes being masked by shock value isn't good TV.

Spoiler:

My complaints, some major, others less so:

1. The plan is blisteringly stupid on its face. They want to undertake an impossible mission - risking the northern king/alliance - against an enemy of a gazillion zombies that they barely survived with an army last season - but this time with only a couple of people to somehow kidnap one of them, somehow fight the gazillion minus one off, and somehow make it back hundreds of miles to safety, all to *maybe* convince stupid and untrustworthy Cersei to commit what few forces she has left to the great war to come, when Daenerys can easily win the Iron Throne in about 30 more seconds (and possibly have Cersei executed for the murders of Margaery, et al.; the people would be behind that).

Watching the plan being executed was somehow even worse.

2. Guys - we really, really need Dragonglass to fight the armies of the dead - it's their weakness. We dedicated a lot of air time to driving this point home, but let's decide not to take any on this trip and use these regular crappy weapons instead.

3. Gendry - run for a few hours (and somehow know the way back), send a raven that would take at least day to get there, and let's wait here and play video games until Daenerys (who somehow knows the way here) shows up.

4. It's winter. The lake would've completely solidified that far north (it was frozen in the summer).

5. Their stupid plan gets undone because The Hound decides to go full Leroy Jenkins. They couldn't have come up with something less absurd?

6. WTF was Jon doing? Get on the dragon and get to safety!

7. Totally could've fit Benjen on the horse. It's undead, so it doesn't suffer fatigue.

8. Unless Arya's playing Littlefinger, her behavior is way too over the top. Possibly more plot contrivance.

At this point, I have zero faith in D&D to bring this home satisfactorily. Complete hacks.

Agree with pretty much all your points, but I think 8 is exactly what's going on. And it's possible

Spoiler:

Sansa is in on it too.

[ReasonablySober]

Only on Episode 5 of The Defenders but Jessica Jones is single-handedly saving this thing right now.

Not surprised, she had the only show of the four that I legitimately enjoyed. Couldn't make it through Luke Cage, didn't like the villains enough to really get into Daredevil. I didn't hate Iron Fist like everyone else did; it's probably my second favorite of the Marvel Netflix stuff, though it isn't saying much.

2.5 episodes into this and it's fine. Moar JJ, plz.

[KidA24]

GoT:

Spoiler:

This truly feels like they started at the end: "Ice Dragon needs to happen." Then spitballed ideas on how that could happen, and that was the best that they came up with.

Some ridiculous plot, "If we show Cerci a Wight she'll help us" (no, she won't, Tyrion knows that)
Let's go out beyond the wall, with no horses, and expect to outrun an army back to the wall.

I just cannot get over that this was the plan. Not to mention the ridiculous time travel that it would take to get Dany and the Dragons to the wall in enough time to save the 7 before they starved to death.

Also, WTF Arya?