2018 NBA Draft Thread

[Badgerlander]

Melton I feel is more of a 2 than a 1. He is a great passer, perhaps one of the best at the 2 in this class but doesn’t have a good enough handle (no left hand, prefers right) to play at the 1. His appeal comes from being one of the best defenders in this class. He may be small and thin but he is mobile and has an impressive vertical. For his size, his rebounding is incredible. I see a quick first step but again he needs to improve his handle as well as finishing at the rim. His shooting form seems okay but he is inconsistent.

Melton can defend PGs and is probably THE best PG defender to come out since Chris Paul. With Giannis and Middleton we don't need Melton to be more than a tertiary ball handler as I feel that Bledsoe handled the ball way more than I'd like. His vision and handles are more than adequate as a secondary ball handler, and as bad as our current crop of ball handlers are he might have the best handles of anyone on the team (unless we keep Jennings). With the Spurs offense its more ball swing than penetration, and passing while limiting turnovers and valuing possessions. At 6'2.25" with a 6'8.5"wingspan a 8'3.5" standing reach and 193.2lbs he's above average size for a PG. He certainly has room for growth but if he somehow makes it to #17 (doubt it) I'll be doing cartwheels.

[Baddy Chuck]

Melton reminds me of Delon Wright.

[M-C-G]

Grayson Allen- I just can't see a scenario where he's not an effective NBA player for a long time. jack of most trades guy. Lower ceiling and low bust potential. I've been on his jock since he was a freshman.

I just keep coming back to this simple definition.

"The Sunk Cost Fallacy. The Misconception: You make rational decisions based on the future value of objects, investments and experiences. The Truth: Your decisions are tainted by the emotional investments you accumulate, and the more you invest in something the harder it becomes to abandon it."

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Love it. Big difference being, I've been upfront about my irrational love for him for years. The Jabari guys can't come face to face with reality. Also, big difference in investing minimal salary to a #17 overall pick who projects to be a role player than the 15-20 million per year (im assuming) to a guy who you're counting on to be your second star despite being mostly disappointing in his four years in the league. But whatever you gotta tell yourself man.

I don’t really need to tell myself anything. I’m not out here pushing a theory based on totally incomplete thoughts. So I am good.


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[emunney]

What makes Grayson Allen a better prospect than Devon Hall?

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[drone3]

Donte could be a nice 6th man

[machu46]

What makes Grayson Allen a better prospect than Devon Hall?

I don't know an awful lot about Hall tbh and I'm not advocating drafting Allen by any means, but Allen has four years of good production. Hall has one year of solid production.

[Gam]

What makes Grayson Allen a better prospect than Devon Hall?

I don't know an awful lot about Hall tbh and I'm not advocating drafting Allen by any means, but Allen has four years of good production. Hall has one year of solid production.

Yeah, statistically they aren't even in the same league and on top of that Allen outperformed Hall in every athletic test at the combine.

[Ron Swanson]

I can see Allen being an extremely poor man's George Hill. Worth an early 2nd round pick but I'm not comfortable picking that at 17.

[emunney]

What makes Grayson Allen a better prospect than Devon Hall?

I don't know an awful lot about Hall tbh and I'm not advocating drafting Allen by any means, but Allen has four years of good production. Hall has one year of solid production.

Yeah, statistically they aren't even in the same league and on top of that Allen outperformed Hall in every athletic test at the combine.

Hall's year this year statistically tops 3 of 4 Allen years. You guys aren't adjusting for pace. Or thinking about defense at all.

[machu46]

I don't know an awful lot about Hall tbh and I'm not advocating drafting Allen by any means, but Allen has four years of good production. Hall has one year of solid production.

Yeah, statistically they aren't even in the same league and on top of that Allen outperformed Hall in every athletic test at the combine.

Hall's year this year statistically tops 3 of 4 Allen years. You guys aren't adjusting for pace. Or thinking about defense at all.

You can't really guarantee that Hall can even handle a higher pace, and even adjusting for the same number of possessions, Hall's year this year is basically in line with all 4 of Allen's years if not worse. Per 100 possessions, Hall averaged 24/8.7/6.5/1.8 on a 59.9% TS%. Allen's career averages are 29/6.6/6.3/2.1 on 59.1% TS%.

Edit: And again, prior to this season, we had 3 years where his TS% was 50.1% and he was barely producing anything at all. Again, I don't know all that much about Hall; I know Virginia is routinely a good defensive team, so he's probably at least a good team defender, but I know his offensive production prior to his senior year was nowhere remotely close to Allen and even in his senior year it was only on par.

[emunney]

Yeah, statistically they aren't even in the same league and on top of that Allen outperformed Hall in every athletic test at the combine.

Hall's year this year statistically tops 3 of 4 Allen years. You guys aren't adjusting for pace. Or thinking about defense at all.

You can't really guarantee that Hall can even handle a higher pace, and even adjusting for the same number of possessions, Hall's year this year is basically in line with all 4 of Allen's years if not worse. Per 100 possessions, Hall averaged 24/8.7/6.5/1.8 on a 59.9% TS%. Allen's career averages are 29/6.6/6.3/2.1 on 59.1% TS%.

Can you guarantee Allen could handle a lower pace? Very strange argument.

Anyway, I'll take the guy who plays rock solid defense and has improved every year. You can have Ted Cruz.

[SupremeHustle]

Picking Grayson Allen at 17 would be like picking Thon at 10 as far as my bafflement is concerned.

[leroyjw10]

Picking Grayson Allen at 17 would be like picking Thon at 10 as far as my bafflement is concerned.

I don't know how anyone can actually want Allen on the Bucks ... at any pick. I actually want to like Bucks players as human beings. I could never cheer for such a d-bag.

[machu46]

Hall's year this year statistically tops 3 of 4 Allen years. You guys aren't adjusting for pace. Or thinking about defense at all.

You can't really guarantee that Hall can even handle a higher pace, and even adjusting for the same number of possessions, Hall's year this year is basically in line with all 4 of Allen's years if not worse. Per 100 possessions, Hall averaged 24/8.7/6.5/1.8 on a 59.9% TS%. Allen's career averages are 29/6.6/6.3/2.1 on 59.1% TS%.

Can you guarantee Allen could handle a lower pace? Very strange argument.

Anyway, I'll take the guy who plays rock solid defense and has improved every year. You can have Ted Cruz.

To be clear, I don't want Allen and don't really know enough about Hall to decidely say I don't want him, but I certainly wouldn't take him in the first round. I'd be nervous taking a guy that didn't really do much until his senior year.

[emunney]

I don't even hate Allen. His game, anyway. I just feel like the fact that he's not definitely a better player right now than a guy who may not even be drafted is a pretty poor recommendation of his future prospects. What did he add to his game in 4 years at Duke that wouldn't have been added by the null person in fours years on the job?

[emunney]

You can't really guarantee that Hall can even handle a higher pace, and even adjusting for the same number of possessions, Hall's year this year is basically in line with all 4 of Allen's years if not worse. Per 100 possessions, Hall averaged 24/8.7/6.5/1.8 on a 59.9% TS%. Allen's career averages are 29/6.6/6.3/2.1 on 59.1% TS%.

Can you guarantee Allen could handle a lower pace? Very strange argument.

Anyway, I'll take the guy who plays rock solid defense and has improved every year. You can have Ted Cruz.

To be clear, I don't want Allen and don't really know enough about Hall to decidely say I don't want him, but I certainly wouldn't take him in the first round. I'd be nervous taking a guy that didn't really do much until his senior year.

Yeah, I'm not saying I want to pick Hall in the first round, or even that he'd be one of the guys I'd target if I bought a pick. Really just trying to point out that the discussion on Allen should be is he good enough to be drafted, not is he the guy at 17.

[machu46]

Can you guarantee Allen could handle a lower pace? Very strange argument.

Anyway, I'll take the guy who plays rock solid defense and has improved every year. You can have Ted Cruz.

To be clear, I don't want Allen and don't really know enough about Hall to decidely say I don't want him, but I certainly wouldn't take him in the first round. I'd be nervous taking a guy that didn't really do much until his senior year.

Yeah, I'm not saying I want to pick Hall in the first round, or even that he'd be one of the guys I'd target if I bought a pick. Really just trying to point out that the discussion on Allen should be is he good enough to be drafted, not is he the guy at 17.

I think Allen should definitely be drafted by someone if we're going solely on his basketball abilities (if we're excluding the weird sportsmanship issues he had at Duke)...we at least have a 3 year track record of him being a good shooter, good all-around scorer, and good vertical athlete at least along with playing hard. I personally can't stand his antics and don't think his skill level is enough to really interest me when you factor that part in, but there will be far worse players drafted this year.

[VooDoo7]

I hate Allen so much that I don't even care what he'd bring basketball-wise. I'm all for having scrappy. hard-nosed guys on the team. But he takes it to another level. Total douche bag.

[Gam]

I hate Allen so much that I don't even care what he'd bring basketball-wise. I'm all for having scrappy. hard-nosed guys on the team. But he takes it to another level. Total douche bag.

Eh, there at at least 10 guys I'd rather have at 17 (that should be there) over Allen, but I"m sure he'd end up being a solid bench piece and we'd end up liking him if we took him.