Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

[ReasonablySober]

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Going to take a break from my election and nfl deadline anxiety to wildly speculate on wtf this means.

Tin foil cap on. This didn't happen and it's just a tease for the Giannis to Warriors crowd.

People who think GSW would move #2 for Midds instead are off their rockets.

Of course they would. Middleton is better than anyone they'll get at #2, and his prime matches up with their current big three.

[LuessiT]

Theoretically Hayes can shoot but he didn't exactly shoot well last year.

He shot 46% overall, 39% from three, and 91% from the line as a 18 year old in the EuroCup at 27 minutes a game. I'd say that is impressive.

That's only EuroCup though. In the league (20 games) he made 21.8% of his 3's in 20 games and went 2/5 in the cup games. He'll develope into a very good shooter but especially his C&S game needs work.

[PG Graveyard]

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Going to take a break from my election and nfl deadline anxiety to wildly speculate on wtf this means.

Tin foil cap on. This didn't happen and it's just a tease for the Giannis to Warriors crowd.

People who think GSW would move #2 for Midds instead are off their rockets.

Of course they would. Middleton is better than anyone they'll get at #2, and his prime matches up with their current big three.

If Giannis committed for 5 years would we? What else could we squeeze out of them...Minny pick too?

[blazza18]

Of course they would. Middleton is better than anyone they'll get at #2, and his prime matches up with their current big three.

Sound reasoning but my take is GSW are more ambitious than that. And then there's the whole why would we do it thing?

[ReasonablySober]

Of course they would. Middleton is better than anyone they'll get at #2, and his prime matches up with their current big three.

Sound reasoning but my take is GSW are more ambitious than that. And then there's the whole why would we do it thing?

Why the Bucks would do it is the better question, of course. I'm of the opinion that you do whatever Giannis wants. If he wants to keep Khris, then keep him. But If you could do Middleton & extras for Wiggins/#2/Wolves pick, you add needed athleticism, could take an NBA ready playmaker in Haliburton, and use the Wolves pick to entice Sac into trading Bogdon.

I dunno.

[Fotis St]

Of course they would. Middleton is better than anyone they'll get at #2, and his prime matches up with their current big three.

Sound reasoning but my take is GSW are more ambitious than that. And then there's the whole why would we do it thing?

Why the Bucks would do it is the better question, of course. I'm of the opinion that you do whatever Giannis wants. If he wants to keep Khris, then keep him. But If you could do Middleton & extras for Wiggins/#2/Wolves pick, you add needed athleticism, could take an NBA ready playmaker in Haliburton, and use the Wolves pick to entice Sac into trading Bogdon.

I dunno.

That's creativity ... Trading Khris opens up so many deals to pull off ...

[jakecronus8]

Khris/Brook for Wiggins, #2, and Minnesota’s ‘21 First works according to TradeNBA’s machine

ETA: also works with Khris/Bledsoe

[LuessiT]

Khris/Brook for Wiggins, #2, and Minnesota’s ‘21 First works according to TradeNBA’s machine

ETA: also works with Khris/Bledsoe

I'm pretty sure it only 'works' because they automaticly apply the Iguodala TPE that - as far as I know - expired recently. They got an extension previously due to covid but haven't applied for another.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Khris/Brook for Wiggins, #2, and Minnesota’s ‘21 First works according to TradeNBA’s machine

ETA: also works with Khris/Bledsoe

I'm pretty sure it only 'works' because they automaticly apply the Iguodala TPE that - as far as I know - expired recently. They got an extension previously due to covid but haven't applied for another.

I'm not sure if that's true. I think all those things got frozen during this restart negotiation. And if it's true then lots of national publications are wasting their time with daily trade ideas using that exemption

Now Im not so sure the Ws will actually use it. I know they don't mind paying the tax but if they use that they are going to have a bill that might make even then uncomfortable. Plus being in CA they are almost guaranteed to not have fans this season.

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[LuessiT]

Khris/Brook for Wiggins, #2, and Minnesota’s ‘21 First works according to TradeNBA’s machine

ETA: also works with Khris/Bledsoe

I'm pretty sure it only 'works' because they automaticly apply the Iguodala TPE that - as far as I know - expired recently. They got an extension previously due to covid but haven't applied for another.

I'm not sure if that's true. I think all those things got frozen during this restart negotiation. And if it's true then lots of national publications are wasting their time with daily trade ideas using that exemption

Now Im not so sure the Ws will actually use it. I know they don't mind paying the tax but if they use that they are going to have a bill that might make even then uncomfortable. Plus being in CA they are almost guaranteed to not have fans this season.

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I mean it's true that it officially expired 10/24. Wether that decision is final or they'll get another extension. But as of right now it expired.

[randy84]

Of course they would. Middleton is better than anyone they'll get at #2, and his prime matches up with their current big three.

Sound reasoning but my take is GSW are more ambitious than that. And then there's the whole why would we do it thing?

Why the Bucks would do it is the better question, of course. I'm of the opinion that you do whatever Giannis wants. If he wants to keep Khris, then keep him. But If you could do Middleton & extras for Wiggins/#2/Wolves pick, you add needed athleticism, could take an NBA ready playmaker in Haliburton, and use the Wolves pick to entice Sac into trading Bogdon.

I dunno.

Plan B in case Giannis doesn't sign extension.

[arusinov]

Theoretically Hayes can shoot but he didn't exactly shoot well last year.

He shot 46% overall, 39% from three, and 91% from the line as a 18 year old in the EuroCup at 27 minutes a game. I'd say that is impressive.

He did it for bottom-5 EuroCup team which finished in group stage dead last with 1W / 9L. So whole this tournament was basically long garbage time. His best scoring game with 5/7 3P was against other bottom-5 team (Maccabi Reshon LeZion) when both teams were already eliminated from the competition... Then 17 years old Noam Dovrat (probably 2022 2nd rounder) started that game for Reshon LeZion and played over 25 min (and at the end Reshon LeZion won in OT)

In German BBL league where Ulm actually competed for playoff spot Hayes shot ... 22% 3P%

[BucksFanSD]

Copy, so Killian sounds more unproven then I thought. Then maybe Haliburton would be the best pick at #2 then.

Anyways, this is interesting the Bucks are looking at a top 5 guy in Deni.

[LuessiT]

Copy, so Killian sounds more unproven then I thought. Then maybe Haliburton would be the best pick at #2 then.

Anyways, this is interesting the Bucks are looking at a top 5 guy in Deni.

I mean overall he went 29.7% from 3 and 88% from the line. I don't like only focussing on stats that may fit your agenda.

His mechanics in catch & shoot situations are an absolute mess but he's got very advanced mechanics off the dribble. For someone with his developement curve imo it's safe to assume he'll be an excellent shooter both off the dribble and in C&S but if you want a marksman immediately he's not it (yet). Also I wouldn't be surprised if he comes in and shoots a high percentage from 3 right of the bat. Other prospects with a similar outlook have done just that (e.g. Tatum shot 34% college -> 43% first season nba).

This article tells you all you need to know:

Scoring 0.99 points per dribble jump shot in the half court [77th percentile], the lefty’s development as a pull-up jump shooter set up the rest of his game. As defenders were forced to respect him away from the rim, he had an easier time getting a step attacking the rim where he scored 1.26 points per finishing opportunity in the half court [67th percentile] as he used his footwork and strength to get to spots to score with finesse.

Flashing some talent and vision as a passer, Hayes found the open man consistently out of ball screen actions but has room to improve his decision-making as his turnover rate limited his efficiency.

Spending as much time playing on the ball as almost any young guard in the world, Hayes did not play off the ball often, but his mechanics translated better in pull-up situations than they did in limited attempts as a set shooter. Averaging 0.67 points per catch and shoot jump shot in the half court [12th percentile], he has some attainable room to grow as a floor spacer—a point of interest given he has the size to play both guard positions.

https://www.nba.com/stats/articles/2020-nba-draft-profile-killian-hayes/

[Ruzious]

Theoretically Hayes can shoot but he didn't exactly shoot well last year.

He shot 46% overall, 39% from three, and 91% from the line as a 18 year old in the EuroCup at 27 minutes a game. I'd say that is impressive.

It looks like that 39% is just for 10 Euro-League games, but he also played an additional 20 games where his 3 point shooting was just 21.8%. https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Killian-Hayes/Summary/108654 I'm still a big fan of his, but he just turned 19 and is probably still a bit too left-handed to excel as a rookie. Considering his age, I'd like to see how he measures - he might have grown since his last measurements. I think he could very well be the best long-term prospect in the draft.

[Ruzious]

Theoretically Hayes can shoot but he didn't exactly shoot well last year.

He shot 46% overall, 39% from three, and 91% from the line as a 18 year old in the EuroCup at 27 minutes a game. I'd say that is impressive.

He did it for bottom-5 EuroCup team which finished in group stage dead last with 1W / 9L. So whole this tournament was basically long garbage time. His best scoring game with 5/7 3P was against other bottom-5 team (Maccabi Reshon LeZion) when both teams were already eliminated from the competition... Then 17 years old Noam Dovrat (probably 2022 2nd rounder) started that game for Reshon LeZion and played over 25 min (and at the end Reshon LeZion won in OT)

In German BBL league where Ulm actually competed for playoff spot Hayes shot ... 22% 3P%

You beat me to it on his 3 point shooting.

[emunney]

[LuessiT]

It's like Christmas. But better.

[Ruzious]

Better than Christmas because we just receive.

...hopefully.

[LuessiT]

Better than Christmas because we just receive.

...hopefully.

I'm also excited about the giving part.

... Like giving out our draft board.