Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[th87]

Saw this trade somewhere:

Dallas Mavericks Receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Max Christie, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Hawkins, Caleb Martin, Kelly Olynyk, 2025 No. 1 overall pick, 2026 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans), 2027 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans' swap rights)

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Klay Thompson, Dereck Lively II, 2031 first-round pick (via Dallas)

It works. I think that's about as good a proposal as I've seen for all involved.

That’s tempting because you can then take Gafford, Kelly O, Pat C’s expirings to the Blazers and offer them for Grant and the Bucks others pick and swaps back.

Allows you to also let GTJ, Brook, Prince, and Bobby walk. Use the MLE to keep KPJ and extend AJG. Retain Rollins and keep Sims on the cheap.

Then in the 26 offseason you trade Dame’s max expiring for another bad multi year deal and get more assets back.

Rollins, KPJ, AJG, Christie, Martin, Flagg, Sims, Tyler Smith, and all your picks back (outside of 28 swap rights the Wiz hold). Not making the playoffs but you’re basically collecting assets and giving guys PT for the first couple Flagg years anyways.

This Bucks team probably wins 25-30 in 2026, steadily increasing as Flagg and company improve.

That means our picks are at best in the 9-10 range to start, falling to the teens in later years, giving us the inside track on all the DJ Wilsons and John Hensons we could possibly want.

No bad team needing cap relief will give up unprotected firsts for our expirings, so more Thon Makers and Joe Alexanders for us.

And if you're planning on using those picks to trade for an unhappy superstar, no one will do it for middling picks, and there will be no one trying to engineer his trade to Milwaukee to play with Flagg.

This is a great approach for the NFL, but I seriously do not understand how this doesn't lock us as a treadmill for a decade??

[soxperry]

Saw this trade somewhere:

Dallas Mavericks Receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Max Christie, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Hawkins, Caleb Martin, Kelly Olynyk, 2025 No. 1 overall pick, 2026 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans), 2027 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans' swap rights)

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Klay Thompson, Dereck Lively II, 2031 first-round pick (via Dallas)

It works. I think that's about as good a proposal as I've seen for all involved.

That’s tempting because you can then take Gafford, Kelly O, Pat C’s expirings to the Blazers and offer them for Grant and the Bucks others pick and swaps back.

Allows you to also let GTJ, Brook, Prince, and Bobby walk. Use the MLE to keep KPJ and extend AJG. Retain Rollins and keep Sims on the cheap.

Then in the 26 offseason you trade Dame’s max expiring for another bad multi year deal and get more assets back.

Rollins, KPJ, AJG, Christie, Martin, Flagg, Sims, Tyler Smith, and all your picks back (outside of 28 swap rights the Wiz hold). Not making the playoffs but you’re basically collecting assets and giving guys PT for the first couple Flagg years anyways.

This Bucks team probably wins 25-30 in 2026, steadily increasing as Flagg and company improve.

That means our picks are at best in the 9-10 range to start, falling to the teens in later years, giving us the inside track on all the DJ Wilsons and John Hensons we could possibly want.

No bad team needing cap relief will give up unprotected firsts for our expirings, so more Thon Makers and Joe Alexanders for us.

And if you're planning on using those picks to trade for an unhappy superstar, no one will do it for middling picks, and there will be no one trying to engineer his trade to Milwaukee to play with Flagg.

This is a great approach for the NFL, but I seriously do not understand how this doesn't lock us as a treadmill for a decade??

Lol...then basically we will suck forever because there is no other way to get good outside of sheer luck if your team is in Milwaukee.

Getting Flagg and having multiple lottery chances after him is about as good as you can do, even if they do end up being in the 8-10 range. The kid is super young. He can lose for three years at least before we have to put something around him.

I actually love this trade, its the first one ive seen that makes it worth it for us. But Flagg has become a phenomenon and you usually dont trade those.

[raferfenix]

Alex Saratsis as a candidate for Hawks POBO is interesting.

What’s Atlanta’s best Giannis offer?

And what’s the deal with Saratsis being in contention for the position — he wouldn’t be the first agent to make the jump of course but is he of similar renown as a Leon Rose or Pelinka?

[BUCKnation]

I didn't know Saratis even had other clients besides Giannis, much less Steph and Bam.

[Bernman]

Atlanta have prospects & picks that are not their own. I guess it would be Jalen Johnson, Risacher, Mo Gueye (who's low-key really good), Dyson Daniels, 13th pick, 22nd pick, NOP's '27 1st. It's not too bad, if Giannis asks out, which he is in this situation.

[th87]

That’s tempting because you can then take Gafford, Kelly O, Pat C’s expirings to the Blazers and offer them for Grant and the Bucks others pick and swaps back.

Allows you to also let GTJ, Brook, Prince, and Bobby walk. Use the MLE to keep KPJ and extend AJG. Retain Rollins and keep Sims on the cheap.

Then in the 26 offseason you trade Dame’s max expiring for another bad multi year deal and get more assets back.

Rollins, KPJ, AJG, Christie, Martin, Flagg, Sims, Tyler Smith, and all your picks back (outside of 28 swap rights the Wiz hold). Not making the playoffs but you’re basically collecting assets and giving guys PT for the first couple Flagg years anyways.

This Bucks team probably wins 25-30 in 2026, steadily increasing as Flagg and company improve.

That means our picks are at best in the 9-10 range to start, falling to the teens in later years, giving us the inside track on all the DJ Wilsons and John Hensons we could possibly want.

No bad team needing cap relief will give up unprotected firsts for our expirings, so more Thon Makers and Joe Alexanders for us.

And if you're planning on using those picks to trade for an unhappy superstar, no one will do it for middling picks, and there will be no one trying to engineer his trade to Milwaukee to play with Flagg.

This is a great approach for the NFL, but I seriously do not understand how this doesn't lock us as a treadmill for a decade??

Lol...then basically we will suck forever because there is no other way to get good outside of sheer luck if your team is in Milwaukee.

Getting Flagg and having multiple lottery chances after him is about as good as you can do, even if they do end up being in the 8-10 range. The kid is super young. He can lose for three years at least before we have to put something around him.

I actually love this trade, its the first one ive seen that makes it worth it for us. But Flagg has become a phenomenon and you usually dont trade those.

I mean, yeah. Treadmill unless Flagg becomes a generational superstar or we find multiple hidden gems with those middling picks.

We're staking our known generational superstar on those possibilities?

Acquiring middling picks is something we'll be able to do after Giannis leaves anyway. Portland and NO will suck for a while also, so those swap rights will most likely either result in no conveyance anyway, or at best, a drop of a few slots. Acquiring bad assets for lower picks would also be available once he leaves.

So the "opportunity cost" of keeping Giannis is really only the likely middling 2026 and 2029 picks, and Flagg (a likely wash at best, who could leave in his prime).

This dice roll is really worth selling Giannis??

[BigO]

This Bucks team probably wins 25-30 in 2026, steadily increasing as Flagg and company improve.

That means our picks are at best in the 9-10 range to start, falling to the teens in later years, giving us the inside track on all the DJ Wilsons and John Hensons we could possibly want.

No bad team needing cap relief will give up unprotected firsts for our expirings, so more Thon Makers and Joe Alexanders for us.

And if you're planning on using those picks to trade for an unhappy superstar, no one will do it for middling picks, and there will be no one trying to engineer his trade to Milwaukee to play with Flagg.

This is a great approach for the NFL, but I seriously do not understand how this doesn't lock us as a treadmill for a decade??

Lol...then basically we will suck forever because there is no other way to get good outside of sheer luck if your team is in Milwaukee.

Getting Flagg and having multiple lottery chances after him is about as good as you can do, even if they do end up being in the 8-10 range. The kid is super young. He can lose for three years at least before we have to put something around him.

I actually love this trade, its the first one ive seen that makes it worth it for us. But Flagg has become a phenomenon and you usually dont trade those.

I mean, yeah. Treadmill unless Flagg becomes a generational superstar or we find multiple hidden gems with those middling picks.

We're staking our known generational superstar on those possibilities?

Acquiring middling picks is something we'll be able to do after Giannis leaves anyway. Portland and NO will suck for a while also, so those swap rights will most likely either result in no conveyance anyway, or at best, a drop of a few slots. Acquiring bad assets for lower picks would also be available once he leaves.

So the "opportunity cost" of keeping Giannis is really only the likely middling 2026 and 2029 picks, and Flagg (a likely wash at best, who could leave in his prime).

This dice roll is really worth selling Giannis??

I'll repeat what I've stated before; you only trade Giannis if we wants out OR makes it clear he has no interest in signing an extension.

In that scenario, the only deal I'd make is for Flagg, hoping that he is a generational talent, not just an all star.

Dallas will be a contender with Flagg right away, but they will be odds on favorite for the title if they keep Davis and get Giannis.

Flagg and multiple picks is the best option. Use the drop in payroll to get decent players to build around Flagg.

[soxperry]

This Bucks team probably wins 25-30 in 2026, steadily increasing as Flagg and company improve.

That means our picks are at best in the 9-10 range to start, falling to the teens in later years, giving us the inside track on all the DJ Wilsons and John Hensons we could possibly want.

No bad team needing cap relief will give up unprotected firsts for our expirings, so more Thon Makers and Joe Alexanders for us.

And if you're planning on using those picks to trade for an unhappy superstar, no one will do it for middling picks, and there will be no one trying to engineer his trade to Milwaukee to play with Flagg.

This is a great approach for the NFL, but I seriously do not understand how this doesn't lock us as a treadmill for a decade??

Lol...then basically we will suck forever because there is no other way to get good outside of sheer luck if your team is in Milwaukee.

Getting Flagg and having multiple lottery chances after him is about as good as you can do, even if they do end up being in the 8-10 range. The kid is super young. He can lose for three years at least before we have to put something around him.

I actually love this trade, its the first one ive seen that makes it worth it for us. But Flagg has become a phenomenon and you usually dont trade those.

I mean, yeah. Treadmill unless Flagg becomes a generational superstar or we find multiple hidden gems with those middling picks.

We're staking our known generational superstar on those possibilities?

Acquiring middling picks is something we'll be able to do after Giannis leaves anyway. Portland and NO will suck for a while also, so those swap rights will most likely either result in no conveyance anyway, or at best, a drop of a few slots. Acquiring bad assets for lower picks would also be available once he leaves.

So the "opportunity cost" of keeping Giannis is really only the likely middling 2026 and 2029 picks, and Flagg (a likely wash at best, who could leave in his prime).

This dice roll is really worth selling Giannis??

If we trade Giannis its because he asks to be traded.. dice rolls are all we have at that point.

Also you cant just assume the worst outcome fir those picks and for Flagg. Thats silly

[soxperry]

Atlanta have prospects & picks that are not their own. I guess it would be Jalen Johnson, Risacher, Mo Gueye (who's low-key really good), Dyson Daniels, 13th pick, 22nd pick, NOP's '27 1st. It's not too bad, if Giannis asks out, which he is in this situation.

I want to make a joke about this being a bad trade while utilizing one of the players you referenced, but its no longer the 90s. Ill leave it to the imagination.

Thats not a good trade at all, though.

[Bernman]

Atlanta have prospects & picks that are not their own. I guess it would be Jalen Johnson, Risacher, Mo Gueye (who's low-key really good), Dyson Daniels, 13th pick, 22nd pick, NOP's '27 1st. It's not too bad, if Giannis asks out, which he is in this situation.

I want to make a joke about this being a bad trade while utilizing one of the players you referenced, but its no longer the 90s. Ill leave it to the imagination.

Thats not a good trade at all, though.

I said it's not too bad, if Giannis asks out. So we may not be too far off here.

But Jalen Johnson is a pretty rare combo of attributes & his loss took Atlanta from a fun, competitive team in the east, to sub-par.

They also managed to somehow be +7.5 per 100 w/ Mo Gueye on the floor (+9.4 on/off). He was a monster. These are both very underrated players.

Daniels is already good, w/ growth potential if he hits outside more. Risacher was respectable and has a lot of growth potential.

The picks aren't great. I guess if these players were good, like I'm selling, we'd actually get our own pick back in '27, instead of NO's, so it's not that appealing. But you'd have a few more swings w/ the picks. Think we'd do better, but maybe we couldn't, & this would appease Giannis.

[th87]

Lol...then basically we will suck forever because there is no other way to get good outside of sheer luck if your team is in Milwaukee.

Getting Flagg and having multiple lottery chances after him is about as good as you can do, even if they do end up being in the 8-10 range. The kid is super young. He can lose for three years at least before we have to put something around him.

I actually love this trade, its the first one ive seen that makes it worth it for us. But Flagg has become a phenomenon and you usually dont trade those.

I mean, yeah. Treadmill unless Flagg becomes a generational superstar or we find multiple hidden gems with those middling picks.

We're staking our known generational superstar on those possibilities?

Acquiring middling picks is something we'll be able to do after Giannis leaves anyway. Portland and NO will suck for a while also, so those swap rights will most likely either result in no conveyance anyway, or at best, a drop of a few slots. Acquiring bad assets for lower picks would also be available once he leaves.

So the "opportunity cost" of keeping Giannis is really only the likely middling 2026 and 2029 picks, and Flagg (a likely wash at best, who could leave in his prime).

This dice roll is really worth selling Giannis??

If we trade Giannis its because he asks to be traded.. dice rolls are all we have at that point.

Also you cant just assume the worst outcome fir those picks and for Flagg. Thats silly

Yes, if Giannis asks, we have no choice.

Those posters are proposing Giannis trades even if he doesn't.

Not assuming the worst on those picks. Just the historical likelihood. The vast majority in that range turn into role players.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Saw this trade somewhere:

Dallas Mavericks Receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Max Christie, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Hawkins, Caleb Martin, Kelly Olynyk, 2025 No. 1 overall pick, 2026 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans), 2027 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans' swap rights)

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Klay Thompson, Dereck Lively II, 2031 first-round pick (via Dallas)

It works. I think that's about as good a proposal as I've seen for all involved.

That’s tempting because you can then take Gafford, Kelly O, Pat C’s expirings to the Blazers and offer them for Grant and the Bucks others pick and swaps back.

Allows you to also let GTJ, Brook, Prince, and Bobby walk. Use the MLE to keep KPJ and extend AJG. Retain Rollins and keep Sims on the cheap.

Then in the 26 offseason you trade Dame’s max expiring for another bad multi year deal and get more assets back.

Rollins, KPJ, AJG, Christie, Martin, Flagg, Sims, Tyler Smith, and all your picks back (outside of 28 swap rights the Wiz hold). Not making the playoffs but you’re basically collecting assets and giving guys PT for the first couple Flagg years anyways.

This Bucks team probably wins 25-30 in 2026, steadily increasing as Flagg and company improve.

That means our picks are at best in the 9-10 range to start, falling to the teens in later years, giving us the inside track on all the DJ Wilsons and John Hensons we could possibly want.

No bad team needing cap relief will give up unprotected firsts for our expirings, so more Thon Makers and Joe Alexanders for us.

And if you're planning on using those picks to trade for an unhappy superstar, no one will do it for middling picks, and there will be no one trying to engineer his trade to Milwaukee to play with Flagg.

This is a great approach for the NFL, but I seriously do not understand how this doesn't lock us as a treadmill for a decade??

but youre still trying to build a team with the 3 allstars model!

it doesnt work like that anymore. you need one gamechanger. youd have flagg. the rest of the squad needs to be athletic, shoot, defend. high iq guys that compete. a team deep with middle tier guys and a manageable salary is where you win in this league now. look at the teams that are left. im not wrong here.

we really screwed the pooch with the dame trade. top heavy teams get hammered these days

obviously we can accomplish the same thing with giannis in that star role. just depends if he sees things the right way

[Ron Swanson]

Need to stop acting like there's a "correct" way to build a contender and not just advocate for whatever the current league meta is. Assuming Chet makes a couple in the near future, the current championship favorite is basically the "3 All-Star" model surrounded by good role-players. We won a championship with 3 All-Stars (Giannis, Khris, Jrue). At the end of the day, talent is still the biggest indicator of sustained championship contention.

Like, we're basically trying to convince ourselves that the "2023 Miami Heat" model is this thing we should be building towards but that's honestly such a weird/low-bar goal when you have a guy like Giannis (why not the '94 Rockets?). I think the question you need to be asking is, is it more likely you can find another legit All-Star caliber dude and good role-players to pair with Giannis within these next 2-3 years, or is it more likely you're gonna find 2-3 franchise cornerstone guys from the assets you get in a trade the next 4-5 years?

[ReasonablySober]

Need to stop acting like there's a "correct" way to build a contender and not just advocate for whatever the current league meta is. Assuming Chet makes a couple in the near future, the current championship favorite is basically the "3 All-Star" model surrounded by good role-players. We won a championship with 3 All-Stars (Giannis, Khris, Jrue). At the end of the day, talent is still the biggest indicator of sustained championship contention.

Like, we're basically trying to convince ourselves that the "2023 Miami Heat" model is this thing we should be building towards but that's honestly such a weird/low-bar goal when you have a guy like Giannis (why not the '94 Rockets?). I think the question you need to be asking is, is it more likely you can find another legit All-Star caliber dude and good role-players to pair with Giannis within these next 2-3 years, or is it more likely you're gonna find 2-3 franchise cornerstone guys from the assets you get in a trade the next 4-5 years?

The latter. We're not getting another AS caliber player next to Giannis.

[BigO]

Atlanta have prospects & picks that are not their own. I guess it would be Jalen Johnson, Risacher, Mo Gueye (who's low-key really good), Dyson Daniels, 13th pick, 22nd pick, NOP's '27 1st. It's not too bad, if Giannis asks out, which he is in this situation.

If Giannis asks out, there will be 20 better offers than this.

[Dick Tate]

If Giannis asks out, he'll probably give a list of 1-3 teams.

[JayMKE]

Need to stop acting like there's a "correct" way to build a contender and not just advocate for whatever the current league meta is. Assuming Chet makes a couple in the near future, the current championship favorite is basically the "3 All-Star" model surrounded by good role-players. We won a championship with 3 All-Stars (Giannis, Khris, Jrue). At the end of the day, talent is still the biggest indicator of sustained championship contention.

Like, we're basically trying to convince ourselves that the "2023 Miami Heat" model is this thing we should be building towards but that's honestly such a weird/low-bar goal when you have a guy like Giannis (why not the '94 Rockets?). I think the question you need to be asking is, is it more likely you can find another legit All-Star caliber dude and good role-players to pair with Giannis within these next 2-3 years, or is it more likely you're gonna find 2-3 franchise cornerstone guys from the assets you get in a trade the next 4-5 years?

Considering Horst has no eye for talent and totally sold the farm we’d be lucky to get 1 franchise cornerstone in return for Giannis let alone 2-3 in the next 4-5 and likely no where near as good. The poo poo platter path is not going to work for these dodos, likely nothing will. Can’t fix stupid.

[ReasonablySober]

If Giannis asks out, he'll probably give a list of 1-3 teams.

Cool. The Bucks will send him to whichever team gives the best package.

[JayMKE]

If Giannis asks out, he'll probably give a list of 1-3 teams.

Cool. The Bucks will send him to whichever team gives the best package.

If Giannis signals he’s only going to resign with X teams then it’s doubtful Z teams will offer as much. Stars like Giannis can pretty much dictate where they will go like it or not.

[raferfenix]

How many superstars have demanded trades with 2 years left on their contracts?

Dame did which Giannis certainly watched closely.

Either way I got a hard time seeing Giannis pulling a Jimmy and threatening to hold out on the Bucks or a non-desired team for as long as it takes.