Milwaukee Bucks Pick Giannis with pick #15

[giraldo5]

No kidding. Em what are you thinking? The X-Man was easily a better player than Iggy

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nxa01.html

So, you guys like emunney actually have an extremely limited NBA knowledge.......OK, no wonder you know nothing about European basketball, you guys like emunney don't even have a basic NBA knowledge.

So McDaniel had a bad yr in 94-95, then went to Greece and became a better player than Iggy is now, before returning to the NBA and having another awful season? Interestng point of view.

[BigMarcus82]

Dont care about that scrub Josh Childress. I want to hear about Giannis being the next Grant Hill skills wise

[Beorn]

Don't bite the bait, mates.
As everyone but interbasket admits, Childress played good, but not great while in Olympiacos. I've probably watched ~60 games of him these 2 years, as he played for the club I support.

[emunney]

The terrible scrubs who shared the All Euroleague 2nd Team with Josh Childress:

Bo McCaleb
Ramunas Siskauskas
Erazem Lorbek
Tiago Splitter

Looks like Spanoulis didn't make it. A shame.

Actually this is unfair about Spanoulis. 2009-10 was the only season Spanoulis wasnt on first or second ALL-Euroleague team

I know. Spanoulis has had one of the greatest careers in European history. Yet one of the worst players in the league knocked him off the all league teams for a year.

[Lippo]

His game looks a little like Penny Hardaway to me.
Hes a bigger Penny, I think SG will be his true position, which will fit nicely next to Wiggins.

[smpalome]

Don't bite the bait, mates.
As everyone but interbasket admits, Childress played good, but not great while in Olympiacos. I've probably watched ~60 games of him these 2 years, as he played for the club I support.

I watched all games of Olympiacos for the two seasons Chilldress played here and I totally agree with Beorn

[glenn]

No kidding. Em what are you thinking? The X-Man was easily a better player than Iggy

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nxa01.html

So, you guys like emunney actually have an extremely limited NBA knowledge.......OK, no wonder you know nothing about European basketball, you guys like emunney don't even have a basic NBA knowledge.

I have almost no knowldge of European basketball, but I do have a communications degree. What I see is several people referencing facts and statistics to support an argument, and you come back with the subjective comment that "he was absolutely horrible the whole 2 years I watched him. What skills? I didn't see any skills." That is not a persuasive counterpoint.

[Apollo64]

This is all too familiar and it will probably end again with interbasket getting waived, like countless other times here and in other boards.

[interbasket]

No kidding. Em what are you thinking? The X-Man was easily a better player than Iggy

Definitely, at his peak. I was joking about him not being named Xavier McDonald. Was he better by the time he played in Greece than Iggy is now? Dubious.

Was Ricky Pierce at 39 better than Iggy is now? These are the claims being made.

I was being sarcastic. The X Man was very good in his prime. Not so much by the time he arrived in Greece as our friend is suggesting.

I never said any such thing. You guys are twisting my words and totally making a mockery of everything I say. The comments were some people here started laughing and mocking about the idea of there ever possibly being a good NBA player like Iggy in Greece.

I was simply proving that was wrong and untrue. I never said anything about prime this and prime that. Please stop making claims that I said something I did not say.

Besides the issue of prime Pekovic, prime Spanoulis, prime Diamantidis, prime Giannakis, prime Galis, prime Bodiroga and players like these that DID play in Greek league at their primes. Any of them could be a better NBA player than Iggy and EVERY person that disagrees with that has absolutely no basketball knowledge at all.

So you want to quote me on my "claims", at least quote me in truth.

[DukeH]

So what time does Greece play?

12:15 cst / 1:15 est

Cool, thanks. The schedule they have doesn't list the timezone so I wasn't sure when the actual start time was.

[smpalome]

The terrible scrubs who shared the All Euroleague 2nd Team with Josh Childress:

Bo McCaleb
Ramunas Siskauskas
Erazem Lorbek
Tiago Splitter

Looks like Spanoulis didn't make it. A shame.

Actually this is unfair about Spanoulis. 2009-10 was the only season Spanoulis wasnt on first or second ALL-Euroleague team

I know. Spanoulis has had one of the greatest careers in European history. Yet one of the worst players in the league knocked him off the all league teams for a year.

All im saying is that dont let interbasket and his posts make u prejudiced against Greek basketball fans and/or players. ( he has succeeded doing that in other forums)

[TchenBucks]

Hi Everyone,

I am new to the board. And love this topic.

After reading through most of it though, I think that Giannis floor is much higher then you all think. But I also think his ceiling is a lot lower then most think.

To me, I see Giannis at worst becoming someone on the lines of a Wes Mathews, not his look, but his game, which is solid defense, some timely 3 point shots, and that is about it. I think that is a pretty solid floor.

To me, I see Giannis at best becoming someone on the lines of a Tony Kukoc, everything I see in this kids game makes me think Kukoc, except Giannis seems to have a passion to play defense, and has more athleticism already then Kukoc did in his prime. It is very likely Giannis will not have the IQ and court vision Kukoc had, but I feel that Kukoc is the best comparison when looking at Giannis.

[CanadaBucks]

So what time does Greece play?

12:15 cst / 1:15 est

Cool, thanks. The schedule they have doesn't list the timezone so I wasn't sure when the actual start time was.

I think it's +8 hours CT

[theFireBlanket]

So what time does Greece play?

12:15 cst / 1:15 est

Cool, thanks. The schedule they have doesn't list the timezone so I wasn't sure when the actual start time was.

No, they do. EST (Estonia), which is 8 hours ahead of Milwaukee cst.

[papfankon]

Josh Childress himself wouldn't believe, that he could be the center focus of the discussion in such a lively debate.

[JustinCredible]

It is pretty obviously clear that interbasket overvalues the Greek league and undervalues NBA players. I don't know how much longer we need to drag this out.

[Ayt]

You said he was laughably terrible "the whole time he was with Olympiacos". That would include his Greek League games.

He also made all-Euroleague 2nd team. Crazy for one of the worst players in the league to be honored in that way.

The only crazy thing I see right now in this forum, is a bunch of NBA fans trying to claim a dreadful awful player like Childress was the best at anything, and one of the best in Europe, Greece, whatever.

From now on emunney, when you start criticizing me for not knowing about NBA, and all this other stuff, I will just laugh. Because clearly, I know tons more about NBA than you do. It's clear to me you have never even seen Josh Childress play basketball and that you clearly have no idea who he even is.

This guy is a scrub of the highest magnitude. And anyone saying they are NBA fan or Olympiacos fan or whatever that claims Childress is anything other than a terrible player - that person has never actually seen Josh Childress play basketball.

Childress = scrub in Greek League, scrub in Euroleague, scrub in NBA.

And you obviously have an incredibly limited basketball knowledge. No reason for me to be insulted by your snide comments here anymore, as now I just realize that you don't even know anything about NBA players, let alone guys in Europe.

You hilarious.

I was going to bold some of the more absurd comments, but then I realized I would just be putting the entire post in bold.

Olympiakos finished 2nd in the Greek League in 2009-10. Childress played the most minutes on the team and led the Greek League in scoring.

As for Chilrdess never being one of the best in the Greek league, he was chosen for the "Best Five" in the Greek League in 2009-10.

He was also All-Euroleague 2nd Team that season.

[emunney]

If we're talking about Iguodala now, which we are, of what relevance is it to cite a bunch of really good players who played (often at a very high level) in Greece after they declined to the point where they were bench players at best in the NBA? This is not the case for all the players on your list, and I didn't make the claim that Iggy would be the best player ever in Greece (though he has certainly played well in Int'l competitions for Team USA).

I do feel very secure in saying that Iguodala transplanted to Greece right now would be a dominant player. He is ten times the player Childress was when he made all-Euroleague 2nd team. Not saying he'd be automatic MVP (though he'd have a very good chance), or his team would automatically win the championship, but I am saying that he would dramatically elevate any team he played on.

[emunney]

Actually this is unfair about Spanoulis. 2009-10 was the only season Spanoulis wasnt on first or second ALL-Euroleague team

I know. Spanoulis has had one of the greatest careers in European history. Yet one of the worst players in the league knocked him off the all league teams for a year.

All im saying is that dont let interbasket and his posts make u prejudiced against Greek basketball fans and/or players. ( he has succeeded doing that in other forums)

Oh, don't worry about that.

[BadWolf]

Could you just open a special thread for all things unrelated to g-bo and let Interbasket vent there? This is all of topic here.