Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Looking like Bucks keep Mids, Brook, Jae

[jschligs]

If Rockets lure away Lopez. What about Holiday to Knicks for Randle and Quickley? Maybe they toss in a bunch of second round picks or something as well. Cause it seemed they wanted to trade Randle last season or two.

I've seen enough of Randle I don't want him anywhere near our team.

I love Quickly, but wouldn't take him and Randle.

[Couch Potato]

If Rockets lure away Lopez. What about Holiday to Knicks for Randle and Quickley? Maybe they toss in a bunch of second round picks or something as well. Cause it seemed they wanted to trade Randle last season or two.

I've seen enough of Randle I don't want him anywhere near our team.

I love Quickly, but wouldn't take him and Randle.

Knicks don't have much for salary fillers. Not so sure I want Fournier as a big salary filler. I doubt we get Brunson or Barrett. I doubt they ready to part with Robinson.

[DingleJerry]

I don’t know if Redish sucks. I do know I prefer giving a chance to young players instead of collecting proven vets like Carter, Wes, Ingles, Cousins, Hood, Semi etc that will be unplayable in the playoffs. At least when there is some upside you have a hope.

Small thing but after watching all those nobodies from Mia do so well all playoffs it wouldn't surprise me at all if Carter can play in the playoffs. Guy has shot the heck out of the ball for two years straight, is young/quick, can dribble, plays hard, solid at D other than being short. Come playoffs we just bench him and then watch others brick every shot. Seems like the exact type of guy Miami has been plucking out of nowhere the last 10 years and we go 'dang wish we could do that', well we might have done it but then refused to play him in the playoffs only to watch our O be trash again.

Not much to talk about though, we've probably missed our window on that and he's gone now. Guy like him should take the money from whoever even if the team sucks, but I'd be curious how he does if given the chance on a good team again

[Ron Swanson]

I can't think of a more depressing way for our championship window to slam shut than replacing Jrue and Brook with Quickley and Julius Randle. I like Quickley quite a bit, and kudos to the posters who were hammering us to try and acquire him while he was still cheap(er), but the hype on him is getting a tad much.

[DingleJerry]

If Rockets lure away Lopez. What about Holiday to Knicks for Randle and Quickley? Maybe they toss in a bunch of second round picks or something as well. Cause it seemed they wanted to trade Randle last season or two.

I've seen enough of Randle I don't want him anywhere near our team.

I love Quickly, but wouldn't take him and Randle.

Knicks don't have much for salary fillers. Not so sure I want Fournier as a big salary filler. I doubt we get Brunson or Barrett. I doubt they ready to part with Robinson.

Randle struggled in 22 season which led to the should we trade him talk and the negativity towards him there. He bounced back in 23 and was very good. I dug more into contract and its basically at 2/51 now. The espn thing I was looking at in my last post was wrong due to a player option, so that does hurt his value from what I thought yesterday. Still, this is the type of trade we should be looking to do with aging out players like Jrue.

IMO NY would be a hard pass on Randle/Quickly for Jrue, even if we tossed in a far out 1st like we can. Their guys are young, ours is old. All 3 are good players but Jure isn't soooo much better that he's worth two of them. Heck, its debatable if he's better than Randle when factoring in that Jrue can't shoot in the playoffs. That's where I got to the adding Bobby/Fournier. Them clearing Fournier's money is a big thing to offer them. Bobby is a solid replacement for Randle so they can keep being an ok team. The key to all of this with NY is does Thibs have a hard-on for Jrue. Seems like the type of guy that he would but who knows. 33 years old, one year from a big extension for his old years, just hinted that he might quit at any point, has sucked in 3 straight playoffs. There's a lot of negatives on Jrue.

You could even have a legit argument they'd be better off keeping Quickley and paying him going forward than Jrue due to the age issues

[JayMKE]

I love Brook but I feel like losing him least effects this teams championship aspirations of any our core pieces, fact is that he's unplayable in a ton of postseason match ups and if we're just looking for a big body there are probably cheaper options. If Jrue is retiring in 2 years then I guess we can let him expire and get nothing but I think being proactive is a better move. I'm all for making this core younger and cheaper.

[WiscoKing13]

I love Brook but I feel like losing him least effects this teams championship aspirations of any our core pieces, fact is that he's unplayable in a ton of postseason match ups and if we're just looking for a big body there are probably cheaper options. If Jrue is retiring in 2 years then I guess we can let him expire and get nothing but I think being proactive is a better move. I'm all for making this core younger and cheaper.

I agree it's the least important considering the core 4. But I also feel Brook is drastically undervalued in the playoffs because we haven't went against the 76ers.

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[emunney]

I can't think of a more depressing way for our championship window to slam shut than replacing Jrue and Brook with Quickley and Julius Randle. I like Quickley quite a bit, and kudos to the posters who were hammering us to try and acquire him while he was still cheap(er), but the hype on him is getting a tad much.

For the record, I'm not trading Jrue for Quickley and Randle.

[LuessiT]

I can't think of a more depressing way for our championship window to slam shut than replacing Jrue and Brook with Quickley and Julius Randle. I like Quickley quite a bit, and kudos to the posters who were hammering us to try and acquire him while he was still cheap(er), but the hype on him is getting a tad much.

For the record, I'm not trading Jrue for Quickley and Randle.

But how much would the Knicks be required to add for you to feel the value would be equal? Unlike a lot of other posters I don't think Quickley increased his value tremendously over the last season (he got better, but also one less year before he gets PAID and his biggest value to me comes from being paid significantly less than his on court value). I have him ~a protected first.
Jrue probably pulls multiple firsts from various teams without any trouble. And Randle is roughly neutral value, good regular season player with some flaws in post season settings. There's a significant gap in value the Knicks would have to make up, but in the scenario that Lopez walks (unlikely) if they did that, I would listen.

[Ron Swanson]

There's nothing that the Knicks would theoretically part with in a Jrue trade that I'd be interested in. They're not trading Brunson, so hard pass on any of their low IQ chucker types (Randle, Barrett, Fournier) even if they include Quickley. They're just not a good trade partner for us.

[DingleJerry]

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. I know I'm lower than most but I don't get why folks are clinging to Jrue so hard with how bad he's done in the playoffs, age, and one year away from a massive contract extension for his old years, or two years away from quitting.

I'd get it if he was like KM and been here 10 years

[Couch Potato]

With Bud out and Griffin in. Would our old trade targets be the same yet or looking in a new direction? One posters posted that tweet trading for a player around the $20M range. Seems were trying to get athletic speedy runners to run down the court with Giannis. Instead of slow plodders. So was that a hint in the Woelfel piece of a sign and trade of Middleton? As for old trade targets were.....


Dame
Beal
FVV
Bogdan
Bojan
Collins
Monk
Grant
Huerter
Rose
Quickley
Reddish
Toppin

That's just recent rumored targets to up to a year or two ago. Probably others I forgot to mention. I only listed Dame since Giannis mentioned him a while back. Also picking him for All Star game.

[engelmartin]

What about Reggie Jackson? Is he totally washed?

[Badgerlander]

I commend those that still have faith in Cam Reddish. Would rather give Wes a roster spot over him though.

I’d rather sign Terence Davis than either Wes or Reddish. Davis is 26, can shoot, drive, pass, and play D. When Huerter crapped the bed in the playoffs last year they went to Davis and he played awesome defense.

How dare you!

I’m sorry but Red Velvet was .347/.205/.750 26.2mpg 9.1ppg 4.4reb 1.1ast and was benched. Big ol turd on the satin sheets there

[crowhead76]

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. I know I'm lower than most but I don't get why folks are clinging to Jrue so hard with how bad he's done in the playoffs, age, and one year away from a massive contract extension for his old years, or two years away from quitting.

I'd get it if he was like KM and been here 10 years

This team won a championship with Jrue, then followed it up with 2 playoff runs that saw Middleton and then Giannis get hurt. Jrue was a to 25 NBA player during the season last year and showed no signs of slowing down. If there are weaknesses to his game, then the coaching staff should plan around them (just like any other player) Trading a player like Jrue just to change things up for players that are much less talented seems like a flawed philosophy. Trading Jrue with other assets better net you a top 20 NBA player that fits the roster. Also, Jrue is an incredible teammate and human being, the culture and attitude he brings with him should not be downplayed or ignored.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, Boston essentially traded Smart for Porzingis and two (albeit not super valuable) 1st's. I think a lot of these Jrue offers/trade proposals are falling well short of that, and he's undeniably a better player than Marcus Smart.

[DingleJerry]

I mean, Boston essentially traded Smart for Porzingis and two (albeit not super valuable) 1st's. I think a lot of these Jrue offers/trade proposals are falling well short of that, and he's undeniably a better player than Marcus Smart.

Better player but paid triple and is older with a big impending extension for ages 34-38ish. And again, clams up in the playoffs. I just can't believe everyone is overlooking his age and contract.

We've said it for a couple years, the key to the future here is how they swap out JH/KM for younger pieces more aligned with Giannis. Its tricky and is gonna take balls. Have to think outside the box and take some risks as opposed to the sit on your hands until your hand is force. Clinging to these guys until they're nothing could easily kill them long term. Have to cash them out when you can. If you're getting a 28ish year old 25/10 guy with good peripheral numbers and an under 25 guy who just showed great signes to be a legit starter level and solid on both ends I strongly doubt we're gonna get a better chance. Randle/Quickley blows away Zinger imo.

I just find it weird that Bledso was a laughing stock and everyone wanted him gone after one playoff. Allan played like 3 bad games and he's labeled trash and should never play in the playoffs again. Jrue has been awful his whole career and we jsut overlook it because they won the title in spite of him and played good D. Good D, terrible O isn't worth 35 mil, especially when they're about to get another 150 mil for the ages 35+ seasons. And when he just got absolutely destroyed on D this playoffs too while showing terrible effort. Cash him out for good stuff while you still can. Oh, and he just said he might quit in 2 years. If teams are still willing to give you legit starters for him who are under 30, do it.

[DingleJerry]

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. I know I'm lower than most but I don't get why folks are clinging to Jrue so hard with how bad he's done in the playoffs, age, and one year away from a massive contract extension for his old years, or two years away from quitting.

I'd get it if he was like KM and been here 10 years

This team won a championship with Jrue, then followed it up with 2 playoff runs that saw Middleton and then Giannis get hurt. Jrue was a to 25 NBA player during the season last year and showed no signs of slowing down. If there are weaknesses to his game, then the coaching staff should plan around them (just like any other player) Trading a player like Jrue just to change things up for players that are much less talented seems like a flawed philosophy. Trading Jrue with other assets better net you a top 20 NBA player that fits the roster. Also, Jrue is an incredible teammate and human being, the culture and attitude he brings with him should not be downplayed or ignored.

He was godawful again in the playoffs and got destroyed on D too and gave halfassed effort. Again, age/contract matter not just who's better player right now. Also, a GMs job is to kind of try and predict/judge when someone might break out and/or fall. It could be a very shrewd move to cash him out now before he crashes, which could easily be coming. In the Bucks situation with Giannis' age they're probably much better trading a year early than too late. And, even if he is still generally the same next year or two, that generally the same kills you in the playoffs.

[Ron Swanson]

Hard disagree on Randle being a piece as valuable as his numbers suggest, because this is a tale as old as time with him (also might be the worst "All-Star" player in the league to pair with Giannis fit-wise). That's the disconnect.

I'll reiterate my like of Quickley, but he pooped the bed just as badly in his only postseason stint, and the entire point of acquiring him with his low salary would be to add him without sacrificing any of Jrue/Khris/Brook. If we wanna dangle a future 1st round pick and minor salary filler, then fine, but that trade makes us take an immediate and likely permanent step backwards. No thanks.

[crowhead76]

I mean, Boston essentially traded Smart for Porzingis and two (albeit not super valuable) 1st's. I think a lot of these Jrue offers/trade proposals are falling well short of that, and he's undeniably a better player than Marcus Smart.

Better player but paid triple and is older with a big impending extension for ages 34-38ish. And again, clams up in the playoffs. I just can't believe everyone is overlooking his age and contract.

We've said it for a couple years, the key to the future here is how they swap out JH/KM for younger pieces more aligned with Giannis. Its tricky and is gonna take balls. Have to think outside the box and take some risks as opposed to the sit on your hands until your hand is force. Clinging to these guys until they're nothing could easily kill them long term. Have to cash them out when you can. If you're getting a 28ish year old 25/10 guy with good peripheral numbers and an under 25 guy who just showed great signes to be a legit starter level and solid on both ends I strongly doubt we're gonna get a better chance. Randle/Quickley blows away Zinger imo.

I just find it weird that Bledso was a laughing stock and everyone wanted him gone after one playoff. Allan played like 3 bad games and he's labeled trash and should never play in the playoffs again. Jrue has been awful his whole career and we jsut overlook it because they won the title in spite of him and played good D. Good D, terrible O isn't worth 35 mil, especially when they're about to get another 150 mil for the ages 35+ seasons. And when he just got absolutely destroyed on D this playoffs too while showing terrible effort. Cash him out for good stuff while you still can. Oh, and he just said he might quit in 2 years. If teams are still willing to give you legit starters for him who are under 30, do it.

The Bucks did not win a title in spite of Jrue. You seem to have an itchy trigger finger. I understand the idea of cashing in on JH/KM while you can and don't necessarily disagree, however doing it just for the sake of doing it and not maximizing return seems a bit reckless with the future of the franchise at stake. Deals for Jrue and Middleton will be there at the deadline. I love Quickley as a player and would love to add him to play alongside of Jrue, however Julius Randall seems like a terrible addition to this roster. The debate about Quickley last year when the rumors were swirling regarding his availability was whether Grayson and the 2029 1st was too much to give and questions about IQ's ceiling as a player. He did end up having a great second half of the season and playoffs which is now why it would make sense to gamble on his upside as a player, but not at the expense of Jrue Holiday.