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Post#1701 » by crowhead76 » Sat Aug 5, 2023 5:05 pm

The offseason feels really long this year for some reason. Out of boredom...

Bucks in: Quickly, Wright
Wizards in: Allen, Bucks 2027 2nd
Knicks in: Bullock, McDermott, Portlands 2024 2nd from Bucks
Spurs in: Pat, Fournier

Knicks sheds Fournier and get two players that they like along with a very valuable 2nd round pick. Spurs add the French veteran for Wemby as well as Pat who they envision to help with veteran presence and build team culture with their young core. Wizards is Allen for Wright with a 2nd round pick going to Washington. Bucks decide to move forward with increased playing time for Beauchamp and the rookies (not sure how they accomplish that with the current roster makeup)


Quickley | Wright | AJJ | Gortman (2way)
Holiday | Beasley | Green | Moore (2way)
Middleton | Beauchamp | Livingston
Giannis | Crowder | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez
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Post#1702 » by RiotPunch » Sat Aug 5, 2023 5:08 pm

crowhead76 wrote:The offseason feels really long this year for some reason. Out of boredom...

Bucks in: Quickly, Wright
Wizards in: Allen, Bucks 2027 2nd
Knicks in: Bullock, McDermott, Portlands 2024 2nd from Bucks
Spurs in: Pat, Fournier

Knicks sheds Fournier and get two players that they like along with a very valuable 2nd round pick. Spurs add the French veteran for Wemby as well as Pat who they envision to help with veteran presence and build team culture with their young core. Wizards is Allen for Wright with a 2nd round pick going to Washington. Bucks decide to move forward with increased playing time for Beauchamp and the rookies (not sure how they accomplish that with the current roster makeup)


Quickley | Wright | AJJ | Gortman (2way)
Holiday | Beasley | Green | Moore (2way)
Middleton | Beauchamp | Livingston
Giannis | Crowder | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez

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Post#1703 » by BroncoBuck » Sat Aug 5, 2023 6:38 pm

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blazza18 wrote:Bud not doing a good enough job communicating with the vets is odd. I guess he left that all to Ham?


I really do believe Ham’s departure was a much bigger deal inside the team then has really ever been discussed, the relationships he established with the players was often talked about and I think they trusted him, he could communicate in a way that Bud possibly is not able.


It just sounds more like these vets were delusional. Ibaka is absolutely cooked. Jae was **** terrible and has been outspoken about coaches his entire career.
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Post#1704 » by crowhead76 » Sat Aug 5, 2023 7:25 pm

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blazza18 wrote:Bud not doing a good enough job communicating with the vets is odd. I guess he left that all to Ham?


I really do believe Ham’s departure was a much bigger deal inside the team then has really ever been discussed, the relationships he established with the players was often talked about and I think they trusted him, he could communicate in a way that Bud possibly is not able.


It just sounds more like these vets were delusional. Ibaka is absolutely cooked. Jae was **** terrible and has been outspoken about coaches his entire career.


I was talking about the entirety of the team, although you present a different issue, it certainly seems that Bud and the front office/Horst were not on the same page. I also do not think it is delusional to want communication as an NBA vet, I would expect it from my employer/manager or I would question my place and look elsewhere if I was frustrated, not that far out there of a concept.
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Post#1705 » by fan230 » Sat Aug 5, 2023 7:50 pm

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I am looking forward to Thanasis getting more playing time.

Perhaps he can get some time playing point forward; in one game the season before last, he played a full game mostly as point, and played quite well from what I remember.

There is no harm in trying him I feel.

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Post#1706 » by fan230 » Sat Aug 5, 2023 7:51 pm

I am looking forward to Thanasis getting more playing time.

Perhaps he can get some time playing point forward; in one game the season before last, he played a full game mostly as point, and played quite well from what I remember.

There is no harm in trying him I feel.

Our team today is made up of the big 4 who are v good but is really skewing old; most of the recent acquisitions are not that great.
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Post#1708 » by SirChurros » Sun Aug 6, 2023 2:10 pm

fan230 wrote:I am looking forward to Thanasis getting more playing time.

Perhaps he can get some time playing point forward; in one game the season before last, he played a full game mostly as point, and played quite well from what I remember.

There is no harm in trying him I feel.

Our team today is made up of the big 4 who are v good but is really skewing old; most of the recent acquisitions are not that great.

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Post#1709 » by Daver » Sun Aug 6, 2023 7:44 pm

Maybe this is a preview of what to come.Herro threw out first pitch today in milwaukee.
I.m thinking would a 1st for herro be a bad deal i mean hes a 20 point per game scorer good effeiciancy would look very impressive in the starting 5
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Post#1710 » by raferfenix » Sun Aug 6, 2023 10:15 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Gonna cost Portis or our '29 1st to get IQ back.


If we could get IQ for either…wouldn’t we pull the trigger?

I fear the Knicks would insist on both (in a multi-team trade)….which could be why an Allen + 2029 first for him deal didn’t happen last season.

Bucks were linked to IQ in the winter before his emergence. Then Knicks were linked to Grayson before the deadline.
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Post#1711 » by Badgerlander » Sun Aug 6, 2023 10:46 pm

Id be all over a trade gor a Tre Mann etc from a team like OKC that has too many gtd contracts atm. Aside from that ill be curious what a Allen+Portland 2nd+filler(Robin,Beasley,Crowder) nets us in december after we’ve had a chance to see MarJon and Jackson in action
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Post#1712 » by Daver » Sun Aug 6, 2023 10:57 pm

Doesnt anyone have a feeling that the bucks will be a part of the heat trade to get dame by aquiring herro just this gut feeling im having .Ive seen that mentioned 3xs on twitter last week
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Post#1713 » by BroncoBuck » Sun Aug 6, 2023 11:34 pm

Daver wrote:Doesnt anyone have a feeling that the bucks will be a part of the heat trade to get dame by aquiring herro just this gut feeling im having .Ive seen that mentioned 3xs on twitter last week


We don’t have the ammo to land Herro. With our lack of assets we’d have to take on a bad contract like Nurkic with Herro, but we can’t do that either due to our financial situation.

Bobby+Pat+Grayson is the financial equivalent to Herro, but you lose 3 top 7 rotation players for 1 guy.

I just don’t see it happening.
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Post#1714 » by Licensed to Il » Mon Aug 7, 2023 12:38 am

I like Herro enough where I would love him in a “rasheed wallace pistons” type trade where a contending team gives up nothing of value.
I don’t like him enough to trade top 7 rotation guys for.
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Post#1715 » by Badgerlander » Mon Aug 7, 2023 1:04 am

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Daver wrote:Doesnt anyone have a feeling that the bucks will be a part of the heat trade to get dame by aquiring herro just this gut feeling im having .Ive seen that mentioned 3xs on twitter last week


We don’t have the ammo to land Herro. With our lack of assets we’d have to take on a bad contract like Nurkic with Herro, but we can’t do that either due to our financial situation.

Bobby+Pat+Grayson is the financial equivalent to Herro, but you lose 3 top 7 rotation players for 1 guy.

I just don’t see it happening.


Its intriguing on paper if we low ball Miami because there really isnt a market for Herro at the moment. We are one of the few teams that he fits with (again on paper). I’d squeeze Miami and walk away from the table until they are begging us to take him for pennies on the dollar. Just because Portland wants more from Miami for Lillard doesnt mean that we have to overpay for Herro. We pay market value and the market is soft so take it or leave it.

I think we have already replaced Grayson with Beasley. Wood is still sitting out there waiting to sign for a one year minimum prove it deal and the minutes would be there if we traded Bobby. We could sign Terence Davis to fill Pat’s minutes, i’d probably keep it open for a while though to see who gets cut by teams over roster limits. I think thats a dramatic drop in bbiq in Beasley, Wood, and Davis but we would gain a ball handler/scoring guard that id probably bring off the bench with MarJon/Jackson/Jae/Wood. Idk, passes the time in the offseason right?
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Post#1716 » by Daver » Mon Aug 7, 2023 1:06 am

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Daver wrote:Doesnt anyone have a feeling that the bucks will be a part of the heat trade to get dame by aquiring herro just this gut feeling im having .Ive seen that mentioned 3xs on twitter last week


We don’t have the ammo to land Herro. With our lack of assets we’d have to take on a bad contract like Nurkic with Herro, but we can’t do that either due to our financial situation.

Bobby+Pat+Grayson is the financial equivalent to Herro, but you lose 3 top 7 rotation players for 1 guy.

I just don’t see it happening.[/quote


Apparently i have no idea how trades work cause all i hear is how there are teams that will trade a 1st frt for herro just a 1st no playerz than why couldnt the bucks do that
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Post#1717 » by Badgerlander » Mon Aug 7, 2023 1:25 am

Daver wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:
Daver wrote:Doesnt anyone have a feeling that the bucks will be a part of the heat trade to get dame by aquiring herro just this gut feeling im having .Ive seen that mentioned 3xs on twitter last week


We don’t have the ammo to land Herro. With our lack of assets we’d have to take on a bad contract like Nurkic with Herro, but we can’t do that either due to our financial situation.

Bobby+Pat+Grayson is the financial equivalent to Herro, but you lose 3 top 7 rotation players for 1 guy.

I just don’t see it happening.



Apparently i have no idea how trades work cause all i hear is how there are teams that will trade a 1st frt for herro just a 1st no playerz than why couldnt the bucks do that


Because Herro makes $27mil so we would have to send out matching salaries since we are way over the cap. I dont think that any team is still $27 mil below the cap.

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Post#1718 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Aug 7, 2023 2:11 am

Daver wrote:Apparently i have no idea how trades work

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Post#1719 » by Daver » Mon Aug 7, 2023 2:14 am

Badgerlander wrote:
Daver wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:
We don’t have the ammo to land Herro. With our lack of assets we’d have to take on a bad contract like Nurkic with Herro, but we can’t do that either due to our financial situation.

Bobby+Pat+Grayson is the financial equivalent to Herro, but you lose 3 top 7 rotation players for 1 guy.


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I just don’t see it happening.



Apparently i have no idea how trades work cause all i hear is how there are teams that will trade a 1st frt for herro just a 1st no playerz than why couldnt the bucks do that


Because Herro makes $27mil so we would have to send out matching salaries since we are way over the cap. I dont think that any team is still $27 mil below the cap.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine




Right but if your in a 3 or 4 team deal you can fet herrl for a 1st round thrn another team can add players yes.I just dont get that these so called other teams thst wanna be a 3rd or 4th team in the dame deal are all said to be offering a 1st for herro which would thrn go to portland
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Post#1720 » by tedbrogen » Mon Aug 7, 2023 5:10 am

Daver wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
Daver wrote:

Apparently i have no idea how trades work cause all i hear is how there are teams that will trade a 1st frt for herro just a 1st no playerz than why couldnt the bucks do that


Because Herro makes $27mil so we would have to send out matching salaries since we are way over the cap. I dont think that any team is still $27 mil below the cap.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine




Right but if your in a 3 or 4 team deal you can fet herrl for a 1st round thrn another team can add players yes.I just dont get that these so called other teams thst wanna be a 3rd or 4th team in the dame deal are all said to be offering a 1st for herro which would thrn go to portland


Incorrect. Bucks have to send out at least $22M in salary to be able to take back Herro and his salary whether that is to the Heat or another team (assuming it’s still 125% rules and the 110% second apron isn’t in effect already). The only path there is sending out Bobby, Pat, and Grayson or Bobby, Pat, and Marjon. There are no other options outside of including Jrue in a deal.

The Bucks cannot simply send out a first round pick and take back Herro no matter which other teams are involved or if those teams have cap room. That is not allowed.

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