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[-Jragon-]

Being 7 points better on some average can be skewed by a few blowouts.

Here.. without Dame we are 0 - 5
Without KM we are 6 - 1

His "defense" is covered up for just fine and his shots get spread around to guys with a higher TS% ... plus Dame seems to get the ball back more without KM so that gets him rolling.

Check Dame's stats when KM doesn't play.. he's like 2x more effective. Don't hang your hat on one stat in life; step back and look at the whole picture

[Baddy Chuck]

there's not much noticeable dropoff without KM ...

I mean that's just bull. Team as a whole is nearly 7 points worse with him off the court. Starting lineup without him in the lineup is over 10 points worse.

Wrong stat... check our record without Dame... then without Giannis... then without KM

Yes, it's the "wrong stat" when you hate Khris Middleton and are grasping at straws why we play better with him on the court. You love to make like "bad team good team" distinctions, how about how wins over Detroit twice, Portland and Charlotte when Khris sits? Those surely don't count right? Also like lol at trying to use our 2 All-NBA talents as the baseline of when Khris Middleton sits. Try harder man.

[-Jragon-]

I mean that's just bull. Team as a whole is nearly 7 points worse with him off the court. Starting lineup without him in the lineup is over 10 points worse.

Wrong stat... check our record without Dame... then without Giannis... then without KM

Yes, it's the "wrong stat" when you hate Khris Middleton and are grasping at straws why we play better with him on the court. You love to make like "bad team good team" distinctions, how about how wins over Detroit twice, Portland and Charlotte when Khris sits? Those surely don't count right? Also like lol at trying to use our 2 All-NBA talents as the baseline of when Khris Middleton sits. Try harder man.

Ok, but my original post that you cut out of your response is that there isn't much NOTICEABLE dropoff. If we're 6-1 without KM then that evidence supports my claim, doesn't it. How can one say there is a noticeable dropoff without a certain man in if we won 90%+ when he's out compared to 0% when Dame is out. Who is more valuable?

[Baddy Chuck]

Ok, but my original post that you cut out of your response is that there isn't much NOTICEABLE dropoff. If we're 6-1 without KM then that evidence supports my claim, doesn't it. How can one say there is a noticeable dropoff without a certain man in if we won 90%+ when he's out compared to 0% when Dame is out. Who is more valuable?

Damian Lillard is more valuable than Khris Middleton. What? Like that's what your big revelation is you're trying to prove to people?

It would be one thing if when you 1 for 1 swap him with another guy you see some type of improvement or even steadiness, but you don't, you see the lineup get noticeably worse. And most people that aren't the biggest Khris Middleton haters all see that.

Being 7 points better on some average can be skewed by a few blowouts.

Hmm, like when we beat Detroit by 32 with him out. Or when we beat New Orleans by 24 with him out. Or when we beat Charlotte by 36 with him out? Those surely don't skew AGAINST him right?

You're basically saying that in games where the Bucks blowout their opponents that it's ONLY the Middleton lineups, because otherwise there would be no gap widening, which if that's what you believe that's hilarious.

[-Jragon-]

Ok, but my original post that you cut out of your response is that there isn't much NOTICEABLE dropoff. If we're 6-1 without KM then that evidence supports my claim, doesn't it. How can one say there is a noticeable dropoff without a certain man in if we won 90%+ when he's out compared to 0% when Dame is out. Who is more valuable?

Damian Lillard is more valuable than Khris Middleton. What? Like that's what your big revelation is you're trying to prove to people?

Being 7 points better on some average can be skewed by a few blowouts.

Hmm, like when we beat Detroit by 32 with him out. Or when we beat New Orleans by 24 with him out. Or when we beat Charlotte by 36 with him out? Those surely don't skew AGAINST him right?

It would be one thing if when you 1 for 1 swap him with another guy you see some type of improvement or even steadiness, but you don't, you see the lineup get noticeably worse.

You're basically saying that in games where the Bucks blowout their opponents that it's ONLY the Middleton lineups, because otherwise there would be no gap widening, which if that's what you believe that's hilarious.

My point is that there's not a noticeable dropoff. GA and Dame are irreplaceable and KM isn't

[Baddy Chuck]

My point is that there's not a noticeable dropoff. GA and Dame are irreplaceable and KM isn't

And my point is that yes, there is. And it's backed up by statistical evidence and not pure hatred.

[Milbucks96]

Wanting to move on from Khris because of age or injuries is valid, trying to spin some narrative that we’re better without him or that he’s a bad fit is probably always going to be wrong. When I see his money brought up I just know it’s some weird hate for him lol

[Baddy Chuck]

Wanting to move on from Khris because of age or injuries is valid, trying to spin some narrative that we’re better without him or that he’s a bad fit is probably always going to be wrong. When I see his money brought up I just know it’s some weird hate for him lol

That's the thing that gets me the most. Like it's actually so easy to make an "anti" Khris Middleton argument with all of his flaws. And if you're someone who believe(s/d) that he holds actual value around the league it's actually just that much easier. If you've watched the Bucks at all this season, and are trying to convince people who have watched the Bucks at all this season, that we're just as good with Crowder/Marjon/AJJ/Pat or whoever replacing Middleton you're just an absolute lunatic.

[-Jragon-]

Wanting to move on from Khris because of age or injuries is valid, trying to spin some narrative that we’re better without him or that he’s a bad fit is probably always going to be wrong. When I see his money brought up I just know it’s some weird hate for him lol

That's the thing that gets me the most. Like it's actually so easy to make an "anti" Khris Middleton argument with all of his flaws. And if you're someone who believe(s/d) that he holds actual value around the league it's actually just that much easier. If you've watched the Bucks at all this season, and are trying to convince people who have watched the Bucks at all this season, that we're just as good with Crowder/Marjon/AJJ/Pat or whoever replacing Middleton you're just an absolute lunatic.

Ok.. we'll see now as he's out... I bet we'll lose all our games because KM is out? Or will we win 90%.... we'll see

[theFireBlanket]

Wanting to move on from Khris because of age or injuries is valid, trying to spin some narrative that we’re better without him or that he’s a bad fit is probably always going to be wrong. When I see his money brought up I just know it’s some weird hate for him lol

That's the thing that gets me the most. Like it's actually so easy to make an "anti" Khris Middleton argument with all of his flaws. And if you're someone who believe(s/d) that he holds actual value around the league it's actually just that much easier. If you've watched the Bucks at all this season, and are trying to convince people who have watched the Bucks at all this season, that we're just as good with Crowder/Marjon/AJJ/Pat or whoever replacing Middleton you're just an absolute lunatic.

Ok.. we'll see now as he's out... I bet we'll lose all our games because KM is out? Or will we win 90%.... we'll see

Pat Beverly adds an element missing previously.

Bucks lost to Atlana in the ECF with Giannis. Gets injured, then they win out & make the Finals. Hmmmmmmm....

How about, Bucks start winning with Doc's extended coaching from a player? And they win by even more once Khris returns?

[GoldenAntlers]

That's the thing that gets me the most. Like it's actually so easy to make an "anti" Khris Middleton argument with all of his flaws. And if you're someone who believe(s/d) that he holds actual value around the league it's actually just that much easier. If you've watched the Bucks at all this season, and are trying to convince people who have watched the Bucks at all this season, that we're just as good with Crowder/Marjon/AJJ/Pat or whoever replacing Middleton you're just an absolute lunatic.

Ok.. we'll see now as he's out... I bet we'll lose all our games because KM is out? Or will we win 90%.... we'll see

Pat Beverly adds an element missing previously.

Bucks lost to Atlana in the ECF with Giannis. Gets injured, then they win out & make the Finals. Hmmmmmmm....

How about, Bucks start winning with Doc's extended coaching from a player? And they win by even more once Khris returns?

That's what I'm hoping for.

[randy84]

My point is that there's not a noticeable dropoff. GA and Dame are irreplaceable and KM isn't

And my point is that yes, there is. And it's backed up by statistical evidence and not pure hatred.

Just out of curiosity what is the net rating when Middleton is replaced by Crowder or Patty C. in the starting lineup?

[bucksfansince88]

If they want to go all upside on their big man search they could kick the tires on Kai Jones on a two-way

If Kai is ready to play again, he should sign up the the G League.

Getting him away from the aau team he was on and around some real adults that will lace his boots and hold him accountable might be best thing to ever happen to that kid! Great idea. Sign him on two way asap Horst

[ShootingtheJ]

Is today the day we sign at least one 2 way guy?

[midranger]

My point is that there's not a noticeable dropoff. GA and Dame are irreplaceable and KM isn't

And my point is that yes, there is. And it's backed up by statistical evidence and not pure hatred.

Have you ever considered that there’s a cabal of elites weaponizing mathematics to rig the +/- statistic in Khris Middleton’s favor, and Pat Connoughton is actually the real best SF right now? No? Worth asking some questions, imo.

[PANDEMONEUM]

Bucks currently 34-19
with 29 games left.
14 Home
15 Away

H
nuggs, heat, hornets, clippers, 76ers, suns, nets, thunder, lakers, grizzlies, raptors, knicks, celtics, magic
A
grizzlies, twolves, 76ers, hornets, bulls, warriors, lakers, clippers, kings, celtics, pelicans, hawks, wizards, thunder, magic

1 game ahead of the 4th seed Knicks
2.5 ahead of 5th seed 76ers

i see 14 games we should win

if we maintain a 3 or 4 seed,
while having the 5th most difficult schedule, we will b ready for the playoffs.

[-Jragon-]

My point is that there's not a noticeable dropoff. GA and Dame are irreplaceable and KM isn't

And my point is that yes, there is. And it's backed up by statistical evidence and not pure hatred.

Have you ever considered that there’s a cabal of elites weaponizing mathematics to rig the +/- statistic in Khris Middleton’s favor, and Pat Connoughton is actually the real best SF right now? No? Worth asking some questions, imo.

For me the flaw is that it takes into account who just happens to be standing on the floor when something happens. If GA and Dame take over a game and KM happens to be standing there then he somehow benefits from any +/- ... it doesn't measure that man or anything he does.

Saying that we are 6-1 when KM sits out.. that's a much better winning % than our actual record. ALL I said is there's not a noticeable dropoff which is true if we're 6-1 when he sits out completely. If you are willing to accept stats that have to do with his mere presence on the floor but want to ignore that we are almost undefeated when he isn't on the floor at all then who is actually biased?

I didn't say I hate KM he's a bad player or actually anything bad about him.. guys here put those words in my mouth. No noticeable dropoff because we're 6-1 without him is just stating the fact what has happened and watching the flow of the ball and speed of the D increase is observable. It's also an indisputable fact that Dame's numbers are far better and more efficient even without KM in the game. Pointing out facts and observations isn't spewing hate at all. Then the NET rating is the ONLY stat they have --- if Giannis snaps and gets 62 while KM is standing in the floor at the same time his NET +/- benefits so the evidence in itself isn't indisputable. We need more.

[Frank Nova]

I’ve had my frustrations with Khris just like most Bucks fans but these implications that the team is just simply better without him in the equation seems like a massive reach. For all his injury concerns and even flaws, he’s still a damn near all star level talent with the capabilities to take over games. He’ll be a major necessity moving forward if/when he gets back to being healthy. Reaching for numbers to try and prove otherwise is foolish, all you need is the history provided that Khris is a big time performer in big time moments. What more is anyone searching for?

[soxperry]

If we fail in the playoffs, im pretty on board with trading Khris for a starting sf who can guard tf outta wings and hit catch and shoot 3s, assuming we also get draft capital or a young player with upside.

I know all the arguments for not trading him. Im pretty confident we can score enough without him though. In a Dame and Giannis offense, we dont need his creation. We need defense. Hes overqualified for his role.

[soxperry]

We trade Khris, and then Giannis posts a slideshow on his ig. Pics of him and Khris throughout the years set to "The Hardest Thing" by 98 Degrees