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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1721 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Mar 7, 2025 2:23 pm

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The pass at 0:07 is absolutely epic. There's no way that wasn't on purpose.


How did Bledsoe get absolutely cooked by Rozier? lol


Playoff Bledsoe was something else.


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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1722 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Mar 7, 2025 2:24 pm

Sucks for Brunson to get that kind of injury in the final third of the season. Knicks are technically within striking distance if we keep up a 75% win pace and they slip a bit. But considering that Indiana is still right there and Detroit is also surging, all the more incentive to keep the W's rolling.
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1723 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Mar 7, 2025 2:29 pm

I do have to occasionally laugh at the constant insistence by a lot of people that "NBA so much more skilllllez now" and then I have to watch some 6'1 milkman looking mother **** (Payton Pritchard) score 41-points in a game only because of some arbitrary line drawn on the court 23-feet from the basket. But sure, Bob Cousy, Mark Price, and Tiny Archibald were all just plumbers who couldn't play in today's game.
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1724 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:01 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I do have to occasionally laugh at the constant insistence by a lot of people that "NBA so much more skilllllez now" and then I have to watch some 6'1 milkman looking mother **** (Payton Pritchard) score 41-points in a game only because of some arbitrary line drawn on the court 23-feet from the basket. But sure, Bob Cousy, Mark Price, and Tiny Archibald were all just plumbers who couldn't play in today's game.


Modern-day online "debating" is ridiculously dogmatic without much nuance, unfortunately. It's even more prevalent in basketball in comparison with other sports. The sports media doesn't help by cultivating said debates incessantly and fueling the "my era vs. other eras!" stuff.
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1725 » by engelmartin » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:30 pm

That Knicks bench is brutal, McBride Shamet and Payne? Now one of them has to start. I think we’ve got a chance at catching them.
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Post#1726 » by Bucksmaniac » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:32 pm

Prez wrote:Brunson's foul baiting is infuriating man.


Jay Wright was a great coach, but watching his style of basketball as an MU fan and with his players making the NBA not such a fun experience. A lot of 3s and flops.
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1727 » by DingleJerry » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:39 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I do have to occasionally laugh at the constant insistence by a lot of people that "NBA so much more skilllllez now" and then I have to watch some 6'1 milkman looking mother **** (Payton Pritchard) score 41-points in a game only because of some arbitrary line drawn on the court 23-feet from the basket. But sure, Bob Cousy, Mark Price, and Tiny Archibald were all just plumbers who couldn't play in today's game.


Sure the 3 pt line does that. But when it comes to skill. Yea, a guy like Pritchard is a better shooter by far than someone like Cousy. Is also probably a better ball handler while being thicker and stronger too. To a degree it kinda proves the point, a guy like Pritchard is a backup role player today, back then he was probably better than an all NBA guy like Cousy. I guess it depends on if you consider shooting a skill, because I definitely do. Nearly every guy on the floor now can shoot and dribble, that just wasn't the case back then. Many bigs could only do big stuff and only a fraction of guys could shoot near the level the guys do now.

To me the big variable on the topic is if someone like Cousy was born to this era would he have been able to hone/practice his skills to the modern style and be just as good if not better than folks like pritchard. Who knows, I guess I'd say probably? But if you straight time dropped 29 year old cousy into todays game he'd likely get run off the floor. Or take a modern solid wing with great athleticism and good shooting, idk maybe Jalen Johnson from ATL and time dropped him into the 60s he'd go from solid starter to one of the best in the league. But take a guy like Bird/Jordan, if brought up in this era you know they would've emphasized the 3 more and been fine type of thing. I'd give the old heads that benefit of the doubt, if raised in this era they would've emphasized shooting more and likely still been good.
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1728 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:55 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I do have to occasionally laugh at the constant insistence by a lot of people that "NBA so much more skilllllez now" and then I have to watch some 6'1 milkman looking mother **** (Payton Pritchard) score 41-points in a game only because of some arbitrary line drawn on the court 23-feet from the basket. But sure, Bob Cousy, Mark Price, and Tiny Archibald were all just plumbers who couldn't play in today's game.

Today I learned Bob Cousy is still alive!

But yea, to your point I'ms sure he would have a role in todays game but would he be a 10 time first team NBA or be considered top 40 all time?
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1729 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Mar 7, 2025 4:07 pm

Oh I'll certainly concede that the average role-player is objectively "more skilled" now than even 25-30 years ago. I just find it funny that "more skilled than ever" narrative is just constantly changing which "skills" are most effective in the current environment. If Jalen Johnson were plopped back in the 60's, he'd lead the league in turnovers because he'd struggle to not be called for a carry/travel every time he dribbled the basketball. But I guess no one would know because they literally didn't track turnovers as a stat yet....
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1730 » by Gant » Fri Mar 7, 2025 4:45 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I do have to occasionally laugh at the constant insistence by a lot of people that "NBA so much more skilllllez now" and then I have to watch some 6'1 milkman looking mother **** (Payton Pritchard) score 41-points in a game only because of some arbitrary line drawn on the court 23-feet from the basket. But sure, Bob Cousy, Mark Price, and Tiny Archibald were all just plumbers who couldn't play in today's game.


Sure the 3 pt line does that. But when it comes to skill. Yea, a guy like Pritchard is a better shooter by far than someone like Cousy. Is also probably a better ball handler while being thicker and stronger too. To a degree it kinda proves the point, a guy like Pritchard is a backup role player today, back then he was probably better than an all NBA guy like Cousy. I guess it depends on if you consider shooting a skill, because I definitely do. Nearly every guy on the floor now can shoot and dribble, that just wasn't the case back then. Many bigs could only do big stuff and only a fraction of guys could shoot near the level the guys do now.

To me the big variable on the topic is if someone like Cousy was born to this era would he have been able to hone/practice his skills to the modern style and be just as good if not better than folks like pritchard. Who knows, I guess I'd say probably? But if you straight time dropped 29 year old cousy into todays game he'd likely get run off the floor. Or take a modern solid wing with great athleticism and good shooting, idk maybe Jalen Johnson from ATL and time dropped him into the 60s he'd go from solid starter to one of the best in the league. But take a guy like Bird/Jordan, if brought up in this era you know they would've emphasized the 3 more and been fine type of thing. I'd give the old heads that benefit of the doubt, if raised in this era they would've emphasized shooting more and likely still been good.


Cousy played from 1950 to 1963, so he's more of a fifties player. For comparison purposes, the best guards from the 60s were Oscar Robertson and Jerry West. Both of them would be all league today.

Here's the 1967 all league first team: Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Rick Barry, Elgin Baylor. Jalen Johnson is worlds away from those guys.

Like every era since, the sixties had some players as good as any. Those players would have to adjust to today's three point league, but no more than current players would need to adjust to the relentless fast breaks and more rugged play of the sixties.
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1731 » by Gant » Fri Mar 7, 2025 4:49 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I do have to occasionally laugh at the constant insistence by a lot of people that "NBA so much more skilllllez now" and then I have to watch some 6'1 milkman looking mother **** (Payton Pritchard) score 41-points in a game only because of some arbitrary line drawn on the court 23-feet from the basket. But sure, Bob Cousy, Mark Price, and Tiny Archibald were all just plumbers who couldn't play in today's game.

Today I learned Bob Cousy is still alive!

But yea, to your point I'ms sure he would have a role in todays game but would he be a 10 time first team NBA or be considered top 40 all time?
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Yeah, Cousy is still alive. Not long ago, the Celtics gave him a championship ring, which was nice.

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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1732 » by Bernman » Fri Mar 7, 2025 5:03 pm

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I see some trying to throw cold water on the notion the trade was fishy, by bringing up the Mavs' brass dissatisfaction w/ Luka. But that still doesn't explain why they didn't get Austin Reaves or a few more picks, from another team who wasn't acquiring Doncic.

It's a senseless gift to another team, who just happens to be the most marquee one in the Lakers. How does that benefit the Mavs?
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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1733 » by raferfenix » Fri Mar 7, 2025 6:44 pm



Cuban's latest shot across the bow:

Cuban sat down with Jonah Javad of WFFA on Thursday and said this about the trade:

“If the Mavs are going to trade Luka, that’s one thing. Just get a better deal. No disrespect to Anthony Davis, but I still firmly believe if we had gotten four unprotected No. 1s and Anthony Davis and Max Christie, this would be a different conversation.”


Talk to people in other front offices around the league and the Doncic trade is often called a “gift” to the Lakers, with a lot of those people saying their team would have put together a much better trade package for the now 26-year-old Doncic, a top-five player in the world when healthy entering his prime. That market was never seriously explored, outside of a call to Minnesota, which shot down the idea of an Anthony Edwards trade.


“I think the biggest challenge that the Mavs have right now is there’s nobody who’s really outgoing to communicate. It’s not so much what you do, it’s how you communicate why you do what you do — and that’s their challenge without me in front.”

Cuban refused to go down the “Would you have made that trade?” road during the interview and also said he had not spoken to Harrison about the trade since it went down. Cuban also talked about being out of the loop on Mavericks’ basketball decisions.

“I knew five minutes at the most before (it went public)… From a basketball perspective, you know, I hear about it after the fact, I don’t hear about anything beforehand.”


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Post#1734 » by Matches Malone » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:50 pm

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Post#1735 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:51 pm

Mavs on national TV again tonight, ESPN. Weird that there can't be some flexibility.
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Post#1736 » by IrishRainbow » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:26 pm

Basketball overlords are absolutely smoking the Mavs in the wake of that trade. Karma comes fast they say.
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Post#1737 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:21 am

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Re: ATL - Embiid Out for the Season 

Post#1738 » by tsamo » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:32 am

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I swear, NBA is the only sport (that I actively follow anyway), that I see pretty bad looking injuries, thinking the players will be out for months but instead they go "Just kidding!" and are back in like a week or two.

Brunson's injury looked brutal and if you asked me, he'd be out for months at least.
Watch it instead be "only" like 2-3 weeks.


I mean... Did I call it or did I call it?!

Still baffled by the way. I had almost the exact same injury and was almost out for 7 months and took almost 1 year and a half to be back at 100% and sure of my ankle. I know I'm not a multi-millionaire with the best doctors of the world in my beck and call but still...
Hell, Zverev(tennis) had a very similar looking injury and was out for like 6-7 months too.
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Post#1739 » by rilamann » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:39 am

There is nothing that the Mavs can say to justify the Luka trade. And the funny thing is, the more they try to justify it, the shadier they look.

It's a bad look now, but it is going to be a really bad look for the Mavs in July when they're still doing mental gymnastic to try and convince everyone that it was a legitimate transaction.
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Post#1740 » by MoreTrife » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:59 am

IrishRainbow wrote:Basketball overlords are absolutely smoking the Mavs in the wake of that trade. Karma comes fast they say.


The problem is that may be playing exactly into the owner's hands.

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