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[midranger]

Lord no. DDV and Brook May be better than buddy by themselves.

I do not know if DDV will ever reach Buddys level,

Absolutely agree god can DDV be any more overrated than he is on this board you would think ges already a all star and the best 2 in the league

I’m told he’s top ten

[WRau1]

I'd rather offer that package for Bogdan (when available) if the Kings match. I wouldn't feel good about trading Brolo, though.

[midranger]

Brook and DDV

For

Bogdan and Bjelica

Seems nice, though not sure it’d work cap wise if they match.

[midranger]

I honestly wouldn’t mind getting off of Brooks deal after watching Vuc and Bam eat his lunch in the playoffs.

He’s only going to get slower.

[Fotis St]

Would be great if either Nwora or Merrill could end up being a steal, but you should never bank on 2nd round rookies to be actual NBA contributors for any team, much less one with championship aspirations. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I am rooting and hoping for both our rookies. I am aware of the chance they become NBA starters for example or NBA contributors so no I will not be disappointed by these guys whatever they do, make it or not. Disappointment comes from high expectations like from players that are paid max money and they underperform or players that play good only on contact years and they don't even care to win or get better on the other years of their contract, or from coach of the year NOT adjusting at all at playoff basketball , or your GM on your most important off season of their lives , they manage to get exposed for tampering (Bog) , make an illegal contract to Pat C that it had to be changed and made a mistake on the Jrue deal that costed us another release of protection and another 2nd round pick ... right there is the "disappointment"

[BigO]

I honestly wouldn’t mind getting off of Brooks deal after watching Vuc and Bam eat his lunch in the playoffs.

He’s only going to get slower.

Brook played the defense that Bud wanted him to, which is clogging the middle and secondarily getting out on the shooters. It was a disaster defense, but not Lopez's fault. Without Lopez, the Bucks cannot play that kind of defense, unless they commit to Giannis playing center. Then, of course, they'd have to find another center. Portis can't defend me he's so bad.

[LUKE23]

I honestly wouldn’t mind getting off of Brooks deal after watching Vuc and Bam eat his lunch in the playoffs.

He’s only going to get slower.

The issue is that his defense allows us to get the top record in the East, most likely, and if his 3 returns to the prior two seasons he's about as perfect a fit next to Giannis as it gets. It's up to Bud to switch up the playoff D/matchups if we need to. If the other team plays a floor spacing big, we need to go to Giannis at C lineups and destroy them on the other end.

[LUKE23]

Wait, people were saying DDV + Brook for Hield? Good Lord no.

[glenn]

Snell got $44mm, Plumlee got $52mm

That Plumlee contract is still the standard by which I judge all bad contracts. WTF

[midranger]

I honestly wouldn’t mind getting off of Brooks deal after watching Vuc and Bam eat his lunch in the playoffs.

He’s only going to get slower.

Brook played the defense that Bud wanted him to, which is clogging the middle and secondarily getting out on the shooters. It was a disaster defense, but not Lopez's fault. Without Lopez, the Bucks cannot play that kind of defense, unless they commit to Giannis playing center. Then, of course, they'd have to find another center. Portis can't defend me he's so bad.

I wouldn’t even say he was clogging the middle well though. He was dropping too deep and left Dragic hot floaters in his face and Bam hit FT line jumpers and Butler get all the way to the rim all series.

He was plain awful defensively in the playoffs.

Really, the regular season doesn’t matter too much. If Giannis is healthy, we’ll be a top 2 or 3 seed in the East. We need to be paying guys who are at least playable in the playoffs. Brook, another step slower with another year of age? I’m not sure he’s playable in the playoffs.

[midranger]

Giannis would be ideal in the drop, but I feel like he’d foul out in 15 minutes every night and may limit his transition opportunities too much.

Remember, brook was considered a terrible defender before he came to this system. I don’t think he’s irreplaceable.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I do not know if DDV will ever reach Buddys level,

Absolutely agree god can DDV be any more overrated than he is on this board you would think ges already a all star and the best 2 in the league

I’m told he’s top ten

if you ignore boxscore stats he is clearly. consider hes basically entering his 2nd year and there isnt another soul on the squad with a bit of that nutty upside improvement that can occur with youth..... id be real hesitant moving him with his 2 way ability. hes already shown enough to make arguments about being better than good players been around 5-6 years in this Ieague and a strong argument could be made that literally the last thing we should do is trade him for high usage defensive liabilitys who score with mediocre effiency. we just picked up versions of that for the min. no thanks on 20 million versions of that either

[coolhandluke121]

Lord no. DDV and Brook May be better than buddy by themselves.

I do not know if DDV will ever reach Buddys level,

Absolutely agree god can DDV be any more overrated than he is on this board you would think ges already a all star and the best 2 in the league

Actually it's just people trying to push back on the ridiculous notion that he's not a good player. There's a lot of people on this board who don't understand the importance of intangibles, defense, and instincts, and those are the type of people who love the Derozan's and Jabari's of the world and will never understand how good Hill and DDV are, no matter how much better their teams consistently play with them in the lineup.

Buddy is a selfish jag and a crap defender who might even be a threat to stop playing hard in the playoffs the same way Jabari did if he wasn't getting enough minutes or shots. He's a good player but DDV's defense is as valuable as Buddy's offense, and DDV's offensive potential is better than Buddy's defensive potential. Bogdan is a better player than Buddy and the Bucks just offered DDV and filler for him, but now they're supposed to trade Brook and DDV for a worse SG from the Kings? Please god, no. I like Bjelica too and I would entertain a lot of Brook trades for the right fit, but that's crazy.

[coolhandluke121]

Giannis would be ideal in the drop, but I feel like he’d foul out in 15 minutes every night and may limit his transition opportunities too much.

Remember, brook was considered a terrible defender before he came to this system. I don’t think he’s irreplaceable.

I mean, RoLo's fg% defense at the rim was basically equal to Brook's in this system, so there's that. It just speaks to how easy it is to be a center guarding the rim in this system if all you have to do is be a lumbering, disciplined 7-footer with good timing. Before they had RoLo, I'm pretty sure the Bucks actually had better defensive stats with Brook on the bench (small-ball Ersan or Giannis at center) than on the floor.

His 3's are the real question. Personally I think he was pretty lucky to hit 35% in one season, and his true ability is worse than that, but that's the 13 million dollar question. He's also often wide open on 3's, which puts his shooting stats in context - although at least he is taking a lot of really long ones. Defenses don't fear him and therefore his benefits to spacing aren't what people make it out to be. He doesn't have a lot of gravity and he doesn't get defenses out of position by moving off the ball the way Mirza, Mirotic, and Ersan could do because of the respect opposing teams had for their ability to kill them from behind the arc.

[paulpressey25]

Snell got $44mm, Plumlee got $52mm

That Plumlee contract is still the standard by which I judge all bad contracts. WTF

I’ll take your post and raise it. That Plumlee deal was only 12 months after we had already given Monroe $51 million and Henson $44 million. And both those guys were still on the damn roster.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Snell got $44mm, Plumlee got $52mm

That Plumlee contract is still the standard by which I judge all bad contracts. WTF

It honestly broke my brain when those contract terms came out. Will never forget it.

[msiris]

I do not know if DDV will ever reach Buddys level,

Absolutely agree god can DDV be any more overrated than he is on this board you would think ges already a all star and the best 2 in the league

Actually it's just people trying to push back on the ridiculous notion that he's not a good player. There's a lot of people on this board who don't understand the importance of intangibles, defense, and instincts, and those are the type of people who love the Derozan's and Jabari's of the world and will never understand how good Hill and DDV are, no matter how much better their teams consistently play with them in the lineup.

Buddy is a selfish jag and a crap defender who might even be a threat to stop playing hard in the playoffs the same way Jabari did if he wasn't getting enough minutes or shots. He's a good player but DDV's defense is as valuable as Buddy's offense, and DDV's offensive potential is better than Buddy's defensive potential. Bogdan is a better player than Buddy and the Bucks just offered DDV and filler for him, but now they're supposed to trade Brook and DDV for a worse SG from the Kings? Please god, no. I like Bjelica too and I would entertain a lot of Brook trades for the right fit, but that's crazy.

Our D got us nowhere vs Miami. Brook was unplayable vs Miami. Hill and DDV pretty much did not make a difference vs miami. Hield is not a bad player and maybe Giannis can take him under his wing.

[WRau1]

Whats Noah Vonleh up to, think he'd accept the vet min?

[blazza18]

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Kudos to Pat and his agent for swindling this. Another L in the negotiating column for Horst.

[RiotPunch]

Whats Noah Vonleh up to, think he'd accept the vet min?

Can't believe he's still only 25. I always liked him. Would be good with him or Diallo at the min for a strong but switchy big to back up Brook, if the money is there.