Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Looking like Bucks keep Mids, Brook, Jae

[RogerMurdock]

Brook prefers other cities to Milwaukee:

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[DingleJerry]

any way we can ban anyone advocating for trading for randle?

The exact purpose of this thread is throwing around trade ideas and discussing them. Can we not impede discussions because we don’t share the viewpoint?

especially when there's been countless examples of groupthink on here ending up being completely wrong. Can probably list 10 'ppgzz chuckers' who were mocked like being done to me/Randle now that in hindsight this board was way wrong on

And the most laughable groupthink embarrassment of this board being Jabari.

[Ron Swanson]

Julius Randle and Christian Wood is some serious "darkest timeline" ****. Gonna be real depressing if our franchise reverts back to Herb Kohl era asset management and decision-making because we felt the need to zag so hard the opposite direction (who needs shooting and defense?) because of one crushing playoff series loss. Thankfully I think Horst at least has a clue, so I'm not overly worried.....yet.

[Shaffty]

any way we can ban anyone advocating for trading for randle?

The exact purpose of this thread is throwing around trade ideas and discussing them. Can we not impede discussions because we don’t share the viewpoint?

thats like me suggesting we blow a hole in the bottom of the ship, and then when the crew gets mad at me i say 'hey man im just comin up with ideas'

[Shaffty]

Julius Randle and Christian Wood is some serious "darkest timeline" ****. Gonna be real depressing if our franchise reverts back to Herb Kohl era asset management and decision-making because we felt the need to zag so hard the opposite direction (who needs shooting and defense?) because of one crushing playoff series loss. Thankfully I think Horst at least has a clue, so I'm not overly worried.....yet.

i think the draft picks make it pretty clear giannis at the 5 switch everything is the long term goal.

[paulpressey25]

MKE: Murray, Powell
ATL: Holiday
LAC: Capela

Simple and elegant.

I’d do it.

[nagawicka]

I don’t know if Redish sucks. I do know I prefer giving a chance to young players instead of collecting proven vets like Carter, Wes, Ingles, Cousins, Hood, Semi etc that will be unplayable in the playoffs. At least when there is some upside you have a hope.

Small thing but after watching all those nobodies from Mia do so well all playoffs it wouldn't surprise me at all if Carter can play in the playoffs. Guy has shot the heck out of the ball for two years straight, is young/quick, can dribble, plays hard, solid at D other than being short. Come playoffs we just bench him and then watch others brick every shot. Seems like the exact type of guy Miami has been plucking out of nowhere the last 10 years and we go 'dang wish we could do that', well we might have done it but then refused to play him in the playoffs only to watch our O be trash again.

+1,000
We have data that non-Carter lineups lose, two years running, including our early exit vs Miami. We don't have any proof at all he *can't * do it. Claiming anyone's unplayable w/o first seeing what they can do is just a baseless self-fulfilling prophecy that's a) useless bc Carter never had to go up against Tatum (let alone face Boston), and b) helps cause Bucks' defeat by rationalizing switching horses in midstream. Moving from a proven recipe/lineup to an unproven lineup as though you can plug-in NBA players like off-the-shelf components from a vending machine is idiotic, and a recipe for losing badly and exiting the postseason early. Better players or not, 'getting our starters back' doesn't work like that when they hadn't been in that role all season, hadn't earned that chemistry or proved their method worthy of a winning postseason run.
Carter earned playoff minutes last year & earned the Bucks a #1 playoff berth this year, along with a wildly large number of lineups. Throwing away what works in favor of a 'better' quantity unproven this year is what cost 2 more titles--not injury. The idea anyone can really expect Holiday to transcend at clutch time w/ suffocating defense AND points explosion AND incredible difference-making playoff-level playmaking is---WITHOUT Carter bearing some of that load with tenacious D and ball control --- is unreasonable, unrealistic, and laughable. The issue was never whether Carter would be 'unplayable' [sic] against Jason Tatum, the issue is the *team* proved unplayable vs Miami using the old 'better' lineup that didn't include Carter or elements of lineups proven this season.

[DingleJerry]

Julius Randle and Christian Wood is some serious "darkest timeline" ****. Gonna be real depressing if our franchise reverts back to Herb Kohl era asset management and decision-making because we felt the need to zag so hard the opposite direction (who needs shooting and defense?) because of one crushing playoff series loss. Thankfully I think Horst at least has a clue, so I'm not overly worried.....yet.

Randle is a stretch 4 that 34% on high volume 3s last year and 41% three years ago. His percents should be massively helped by Giannis too. Randle mocked as a complete joke here while being the 2nd best player on a 47 win team, putting up 25/10 on very good %s and advanced number. And 3 years ago was the best player on a 47 win team. His teams have overachieved two out of the last three years. But yea, talk about him like he's Jabari or something. This is a common thing on here though, there is no in between for most. Players are awesome or trash.

Also, moving Giannis to the 5 big goal on O is to add shooting, driving, dribbling, athleticism. If that were to be the decision. Again, if it's not then of course a Randle type has no spot here other than at a Bobby backup level/contract

[TroyD92]

any way we can ban anyone advocating for trading for randle?

The exact purpose of this thread is throwing around trade ideas and discussing them. Can we not impede discussions because we don’t share the viewpoint?

thats like me suggesting we blow a hole in the bottom of the ship, and then when the crew gets mad at me i say 'hey man im just comin up with ideas'

Those two things aren't even remotely similar

[LuessiT]

I actually think Carter is a defensive liability in most matchups the POs. He lives from applying tenacious but non physical ball pressure and is pretty hopeless versus players that can actually abuse the physical mismatch. He definitely serves a role on a playoff rotation especially for an adjustment heavy defensive minded coach, but I would refrain from allocating significant cap to him. I see him more change of pace type of defender that you throw out after a timeout like zone defense rather than a bigger part of a defensive system.

[Prez]

Pls just get me Delon Wright as our backup PG. Legit size/athleticism on D and can switch a bit and most importantly will hold up defensively in the playoffs too.

[MickeyDavis]

There are tons of trade ideas on here, some realistic, some not so realistic. Some you may love, some you may hate. But let's not rag on someone for throwing something out there you don't like. Ignore and scroll on.

[Frank Nova]

Christian Wood? Barf

[msiris]

MKE: Murray, Powell
ATL: Holiday
LAC: Capela

Simple and elegant.

I’d do it.

If Brook leaves then this is not a bad back up plan. Brook was just as important as Mids and Jrue last year. Maybe even trade Mids for younger guys and draft capital. kind of a mini reboot. All depending on Brook if he leaves.

[DingleJerry]

I actually think Carter is a defensive liability in most matchups the POs. He lives from applying tenacious but non physical ball pressure and is pretty hopeless versus players that can actually abuse the physical mismatch. He definitely serves a role on a playoff rotation especially for an adjustment heavy defensive minded coach, but I would refrain from allocating significant cap to him. I see him more change of pace type of defender that you throw out after a timeout like zone defense rather than a bigger part of a defensive system.

Yea I don't want to be the team that gives like a 3/24 deal. But, for basically league min like we had him getting 15-20 backup mins in a playoff game for that cheap could've been a big boost but we never really found out. Worked for similar guys in Mia though

[Ron Swanson]

Some of us think that Giannis moving to Center as his primary position continues to be a terrible idea, and that Randle is such a horrible fit with our star player who's notoriously been one of the worst playoff regressors in the league, as opposed to thinking that he's just a "trash player". Ditto with Christian Wood as a Brook "replacement" (a statement so absurd it physically hurt to type out).

Let's not twist the argument here. I'd probably do that aforementioned Jrue trade where we get Murray and Powell in a heartbeat. Has nothing to do with clinging to Jrue and everything to do with not liking the return. When you've become convinced that you need to trade one of your best, but still flawed players just to get some assets, the more you'll convince yourself that pretty much any alternative is preferable (aka the "I'd trade Khris for Spencer Dinwiddie and a 1st" defense).

[DingleJerry]

Yet again, it comes with the caveat of if Brook is gone and we're moving to Giannis at the 5. The debate on if that should be a route is separate than a Randle discussion.

Also, continue to misrepresent and say it's only Randle while ignoring the 24 year old replacement G as well.

And yes, the majority of the posts are just going "Randle sucks lol" type things. Just one or two that actually had legit discussion.

After seeing the returns on people this offseason I'm not sure what folks think they're gonna get for 33-35 year old Jrue Holiday.

[bango_the_buck]

If we’re keeping Brook, maybe something like:

Bucks receive: Quickley, Vanderbilt

Lakers receive: Bobby

Knicks receive: Bucks 2029 first, Lakers 2029 first


NY would have to view the 2 firsts as more valuable for their star hunting than Quickley. Whether they think there’s a deal to be made this offseason is a big variable there.

If we’re not keeping Brook maybe the Bucks want Obi Toppin. We could send Grayson to the Knicks if they want him too.

Maybe something centered around this (we can send out additional sweetners as necessary).

Bucks receive: Quickley, Toppin

Knicks receive: Grayson, Birch

Spurs receive: Fournier

The Knicks showed interested in Grayson previously, who is a better fit with Brunson, and get out from under Fournier's contract. The Spurs use some of their capspace to get a fellow countryman for Wemby.

[paulpressey25]

Christian Wood? Barf

Christian Wood is a homeless man's Bobby Portis.

[Frank Nova]

Christian Wood? Barf

Christian Wood is a homeless man's Bobby Portis.

Excellent comp.. I’d rather go after a rim runner/rim protector like Capela over a stretch 5 like Wood if we need someone to replace Brook.