Around the League - IST Games talk

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Zion is averaging 5.8 rebounds per game. How sad is that?

Zion was like the Jabari situation on steroids. We squandered our chances of getting pennies on the dollar for him and just let him walk. NOP just decided to give him a 1/5 billion dollars.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

So is there anyone out there that still hates the IST or think its stupid? Like I get thinking its meaningless to you personally, but looks like a great success for everything they were trying to accomplish. Less LM on national TV, competitive games, conversations in the media, and most importantly ratings

[ReasonablySober]

So is there anyone out there that still hates the IST or think its stupid? Like I get thinking its meaningless to you personally, but looks like a great success for everything they were trying to accomplish. Less LM on national TV, competitive games, conversations in the media, and most importantly ratings

It's absolutely meaningless.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

So is there anyone out there that still hates the IST or think its stupid? Like I get thinking its meaningless to you personally, but looks like a great success for everything they were trying to accomplish. Less LM on national TV, competitive games, conversations in the media, and most importantly ratings

It's absolutely meaningless.

I guess to clarify my question....Do you think it was a bad decision by the NBA? (You personally think its meaningless but do you think it was a successful business decision/impact you negatively?)

[Ron Swanson]

This idea that LaVine has "no trade market" sure seems like something some team who's keen on wanting to trade for LaVine would fart out in the hopes to drive down his value.

[WeekapaugGroove]

So is there anyone out there that still hates the IST or think its stupid? Like I get thinking its meaningless to you personally, but looks like a great success for everything they were trying to accomplish. Less LM on national TV, competitive games, conversations in the media, and most importantly ratings

It's absolutely meaningless.

Is the point of being an NBA fan to watch good competitive and entertaining games? At the very least I don't know how anyone could argue that this created more of those games than it would have if these were just regular regular season games.

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[ReasonablySober]

So is there anyone out there that still hates the IST or think its stupid? Like I get thinking its meaningless to you personally, but looks like a great success for everything they were trying to accomplish. Less LM on national TV, competitive games, conversations in the media, and most importantly ratings

It's absolutely meaningless.

I guess to clarify my question....Do you think it was a bad decision by the NBA? (You personally think its meaningless but do you think it was a successful business decision/impact you negatively?)

I don't know if it was a successful business decision. It doesn't have any impact on BRI, so all they've succeeded in doing is shelling out for new courts and whatever it costs to put on some games in Vegas.

As a fan it's had no impact on me.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Now I do think they need to rethink the scheduling of the semi finals games. An afternoon start on a Thursday was a ridiculous idea.

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[Ron Swanson]

Are the people thinking the IST games being "more competitive" suffering from some sort of placebo effect? They count towards the regular season standings until the championship game so I'm not really seeing any sort of correlation or increased intensity at all. Were the Bulls playing extra hard when they got blown out by 40 to the Celtics? And then why did they look so much better when they beat us a few days later in a non-IST game? I'm not buying that narrative at all.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's absolutely meaningless.

I guess to clarify my question....Do you think it was a bad decision by the NBA? (You personally think its meaningless but do you think it was a successful business decision/impact you negatively?)

I don't know if it was a successful business decision. It doesn't have any impact on BRI, so all they've succeeded in doing is shelling out for new courts and whatever it costs to put on some games in Vegas.

As a fan it's had no impact on me.

Curious about your BRI comment. I assume the league is getting paid to broadcast the tournament this weekend so I assume they are making money off this thing and that all goes into the total earnings that get split up.

Hell as a fan of a team that's going to have apron issues soon we should want the league to make as much money as possible to keep raising those levels.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Are the people thinking the IST games being "more competitive" suffering from some sort of placebo effect? They count towards the regular season standings until the championship game so I'm not really seeing any sort of correlation or increased intensity at all. Were the Bulls playing extra hard when they got blown out by 40 to the Celtics? And then why did they look so much better when they beat us a few days later in a non-IST game? I'm not buying that narrative at all.

Or are those who have watched these games and not noticed any extra juice in some of them suffering from cognitive dissonance because they decided back in June they weren't going to like this thing?


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[MiltownHawkeye]

Zion is averaging 5.8 rebounds per game. How sad is that?

Coming out of Duke I thought he was going to be way more of a stat sheet stuffer than he is. IIRC he averaged like 10 rebounds and 4 stocks a game. His interior scoring has always been there and he's a pretty good passer but other than that there's not a whole lot to his game and that's my biggest disappointment with him.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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Hard to tell how much impact it had with group pool play but looks like some impact on current BRI.

Ratings seem good even early on. If we get LBJ and Giannis this weekend, I'm willing to bet its the most watched Pre-Christmas NBA game since Yi played Yao (Ok maybe some GSW winning streak games were in there).
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We've seen coaches play guys who would've been load managed, we seen coaches admit to playing guys longer, etc. The benches seem to love it as $500k represents a 25% bonus for them so there is some energy you can really see that you wouldn't have last November.

[Ron Swanson]

Are the people thinking the IST games being "more competitive" suffering from some sort of placebo effect? They count towards the regular season standings until the championship game so I'm not really seeing any sort of correlation or increased intensity at all. Were the Bulls playing extra hard when they got blown out by 40 to the Celtics? And then why did they look so much better when they beat us a few days later in a non-IST game? I'm not buying that narrative at all.

Or are those who have watched these games and not noticed any extra juice suffering from cognitive dissonance because they decided back in June they weren't going to like this thing?

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So, like "feels" then?

[Ayt]

Are the people thinking the IST games being "more competitive" suffering from some sort of placebo effect? They count towards the regular season standings until the championship game so I'm not really seeing any sort of correlation or increased intensity at all. Were the Bulls playing extra hard when they got blown out by 40 to the Celtics? And then why did they look so much better when they beat us a few days later in a non-IST game? I'm not buying that narrative at all.

Or are those who have watched these games and not noticed any extra juice suffering from cognitive dissonance because they decided back in June they weren't going to like this thing?

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So, like "feels" then?

How else would you measure it? How do you personally measure playoff intensity?

[Ron Swanson]

Or are those who have watched these games and not noticed any extra juice suffering from cognitive dissonance because they decided back in June they weren't going to like this thing?

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So, like "feels" then?

How else would you measure it? How do you personally measure playoff intensity?

By the fact that the games mean more than regular season games.

[WeekapaugGroove]

So, like "feels" then?

How else would you measure it? How do you personally measure playoff intensity?

By the fact that the games mean more than regular season games.

Na you just 'feel' like they mean more

It's all just personal feelings with this ****. Take my dad for example, he couldn't name 10 NBA teams. You could show him a game 7 of the NBA finals or 10 random dudes playing at a park and it would mean the same to him, nothing.

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[DingleJerry]

A side thing this seems to have to it a bit of a mini all star break with so many off days for the non tourney teams. In generally probably a good thing for players but I'd think it would be better a few weeks later rather than so early into the season. Heck, maybe do the 4 playoff games on Christmas in the future then the tournament in vegas a few days later while Vegas is popping for NYE. Give the rest of the league a bunch of time off around the holidays. And further into the year when there's been more wear and tear built up

[GoldenAntlers]

I didn't care about the IST until it was obvious that the players do. And much like Dame and Giannis, I imagine other superstars wanted to win it for the end of the bench guys as well.

We're talking about November and early December. I think it's been somewhat easy to see that many of the IST games have had playoff intensity throughout all four quarters.

[GoldenAntlers]

A side thing this seems to have to it a bit of a mini all star break with so many off days for the non tourney teams. In generally probably a good thing for players but I'd think it would be better a few weeks later rather than so early into the season. Heck, maybe do the 4 playoff games on Christmas in the future then the tournament in vegas a few days later while Vegas is popping for NYE. Give the rest of the league a bunch of time off around the holidays. And further into the year when there's been more wear and tear built up

I actually think a holiday tournament would be the better move, but then you only have one thing to promote instead of an additional thing. It would still be considered "Christmas". Now, the league has something to promote all year to lunatics like us.

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