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Post#1781 » by Prez » Sat May 27, 2017 3:41 pm

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Prez wrote:Giannis is the best young player in the game but I don't think it's that crazy to think Philly's situation around their best prospect (Embiid) craps on our situation around Giannis. If you told me would could switch rosters/picks with Philly outside of Giannis/Embiid I'd do it in a heartbeat. Really the only advantage we have is that Embiid injury prone. If he somehow manages to stay healthy, they're better than us.



Philly has a a lot of good stuff on paper, however nothing in practice.

they have only had one actually good player and they traded him to the Mavs for pennies,

Ben Simmions could maybe be good if you think someone with Giannis' skill set can succeed without the insane body, defensive drive and personality. ALSO HAS YET TO PLAY A MINUTE

Embiid is Giannis level potential but he needs like 3 full healthy seasons before I trust him again

TLC and Korkmaz are basically dice rolls, TLC has looked ok, and korkmaz has sorta fallen off over seas.

Saric is probably not that good and is benefiting from the same things MCW did with his time in Philly

Than this draft which, with their pick spot, they'll either be reaching for a guard thats not that good, or stuffing more giants onto their roster.

On the other hand the Bucks, who were the 6th seed this year and a better coach away from the ECF, have

Giannis, a greek god and the future of the league whose favorite thing to do is play defense and make his teammates better.

Khris Middleton, the 2nd or 3rd best shooting guard in the league, depending on how long ago Klay Thompson caught fire, who is over 40% from 3 and plays good D. Has made the playoffs 2 of the 4 years he's played for the Bucks

Jabari - Could potentially be good if he figures out how to pay attention on D, however he's hurt af

Thon - Probably better than everyone on the 6ers but Embiid, literally the perfect archetype at the 5 to pair with Giannis. Only problem is he might be 22 instead of 19

Brogdon - Best Guard on both teams, Excellent shooter, extremely smart, only problem is he is FOR SURE 23 and not 19 and also a tinsie bit slow

Snell - Literally what the 6ers hope TLC/Korkmaz pan out to be.

Vaughn and GP3 - probably trash but have a small amount of potential about the same level as Korkmaz

You could just as easily go down the list and nitpick our assets outside of Giannis. I'm taking Simmons, the #3 pick, Saric, Covington, Holmes, unprotected 2018 Lakers and 2019 Kings 1sts, a massive amount of cap space and a good coach over everything what we have after Giannis. Trade Simmons for an explosive guard to balance things out if you have to. But their assets and cap flexibility around their top guy is just way better than what we have.
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Re: Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35 

Post#1782 » by H2tObes » Sat May 27, 2017 4:40 pm

Definitely wouldnt trade situations with Philly. One Embiid injury away from their situation being not so perfect

The team with the 22 year old megastar that isnt injury prone is in a REALLY good situation. I dont see the point of talking about the rosters outside of Embiid/Giannis, by far the most important players on each roster.
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Post#1783 » by Prez » Sat May 27, 2017 5:15 pm

H2tObes wrote:Definitely wouldnt trade situations with Philly. One Embiid injury away from their situation being not so perfect

The team with the 22 year old megastar that isnt injury prone is in a REALLY good situation. I dont see the point of talking about the rosters outside of Embiid/Giannis, by far the most important players on each roster.

It's just to compare the assets from top to bottom. The whole discussion started with MG arguing it's crazy for Sixer fans to think they have a better future than us. All I've said so far is that their assets from 2-onwards + picks is much better than ours (imo) but Giannis' lack of health related question marks gives us a bit better future at least for now. And in the chance Embiid does stay healthy, they're better.
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Post#1784 » by Bucks_MacGyver » Sat May 27, 2017 6:17 pm

Anyone who says they would trade giannis for embid should be arrested


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Post#1785 » by Prez » Sat May 27, 2017 7:24 pm

Bucks_MacGyver wrote:Anyone who says they would trade giannis for embid should be arrested


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Who is saying that.?
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Post#1786 » by blazza18 » Sat May 27, 2017 11:59 pm

Love that other teams young players are actually bad but our young guys are actually good.

Probably.
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Post#1787 » by GA34 » Sun May 28, 2017 1:06 am

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turbostef wrote:Not excatctly embiid has to show that He can be a star

Giannis IS a Star

I believe in the potential of Embiid but Giannis is an Asse right now without any limitation

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If you're only talking about health, sure. Because Embiid when he played showed he's pretty clearly a star.


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Post#1788 » by emunney » Sun May 28, 2017 4:34 am

H2tObes wrote:Definitely wouldnt trade situations with Philly. One Embiid injury away from their situation being not so perfect

The team with the 22 year old megastar that isnt injury prone is in a REALLY good situation. I dont see the point of talking about the rosters outside of Embiid/Giannis, by far the most important players on each roster.


This is debatable for Philly, that's kind of the whole deal.
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Post#1789 » by Dante80 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 2:12 am

Heard on the radio yesterday that the Antetokounmbros event is scheduled for June 25th at O.A.C.A..

Will probably be there..C:
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Post#1790 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Jun 1, 2017 2:25 am

Dante80 wrote:Heard on the radio yesterday that the Antetokounmbros event is scheduled for June 25th at O.A.C.A..

Will probably be there..C:

Did they say if all 4 brothers will be there? or just the two oldest?

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Post#1791 » by Magic Giannison » Sat Jun 3, 2017 6:45 pm

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Post#1792 » by RRyder823 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:53 pm

Considering I wouldn't trade Giannis by himself for all of Phillies top assets combined I have a hard time considering Philly a better situation. Simply having Giannis makes our situation better. I get people arguing "Well yeah but I'm talking about outside of Giannis" but it's completely irrelevant. We do have him so why neglect to factor him in when evaluating the cores

They're still hoping one of their assets lands on being a Superstar. We allready have that young star. That alone makes our situation better. "IF" Embiid could/can ever stay healthy this changes but as of right now picking Phillies situation over ours is like picking the bag of magic beans.

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Post#1793 » by milwaukee bunks » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:56 am

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Post#1794 » by Gianstoppable » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:12 pm

Giannis expected to sign a new shoe deal this summer

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246210/Giannis-Antetokounmpo-Could-Sign-$10M-Per-Year-Shoe-Deal

Just speculation but good for him, he deserves it. So Buck colors or Greek?
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Post#1795 » by Magic Giannison » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:39 am

Hmm, usually when 'stats' guys say impact they're referring to scoreboard impact and don't care about too much about the traditional box-score stats (to varying degrees, personally I view the box-score as a decent reflection of what a player is doing but don't believe it says too much about how good the player is at whatever they're doing). And for now at least the Bucks seem to do roughly the same whether or not Giannis is on the court.

Can someone tell me if im missing something in this post or this Jazz fan claims that Bucks are doing the same with or without Giannis ? or im going crazy :banghead:
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Post#1796 » by Prez » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:55 am

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Hmm, usually when 'stats' guys say impact they're referring to scoreboard impact and don't care about too much about the traditional box-score stats (to varying degrees, personally I view the box-score as a decent reflection of what a player is doing but don't believe it says too much about how good the player is at whatever they're doing). And for now at least the Bucks seem to do roughly the same whether or not Giannis is on the court.

Can someone tell me if im missing something in this post or this Jazz fan claims that Bucks are doing the same with or without Giannis ? or im going crazy :banghead:

Looks like it, it's a pretty extreme advanced stats based take. I definitely wouldn't go that far but I don't think it's totally stupid. I think in general the idea that Giannis was single handedly carrying this team and that we sucked and couldn't do anything without him was way off.

Just friendly advice, I wouldn't waste my time debating Giannis' RAPM and all that stuff on the PC board. You're not gonna convince anyone on there, those dudes breathe advanced stats. General Giannis stuff like his skills or upside or whatever is one thing but when it comes to impact metrics they're all in.
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Re: Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35 

Post#1797 » by Magic Giannison » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:01 am

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Magic Giannison wrote:
Hmm, usually when 'stats' guys say impact they're referring to scoreboard impact and don't care about too much about the traditional box-score stats (to varying degrees, personally I view the box-score as a decent reflection of what a player is doing but don't believe it says too much about how good the player is at whatever they're doing). And for now at least the Bucks seem to do roughly the same whether or not Giannis is on the court.

Can someone tell me if im missing something in this post or this Jazz fan claims that Bucks are doing the same with or without Giannis ? or im going crazy :banghead:

Looks like it, it's a pretty extreme advanced stats based take. I definitely wouldn't go that far but I don't think it's totally stupid. I think in general the idea that Giannis was single handedly carrying this team and that we sucked and couldn't do anything without him was way off.

So just because a stupid team based +- advance stat says Giannis doesn't impact the Bucks we should take it as granted and not consider that advance stat is stupid?

I mean the guy lead the team in all major categories ,become first in NBA history in top 20 in all major stats and we call that guy that have little to no impact because a **** RAPM stat says so ?

How can anyone consider themselves a basketball analytic even take such absurd data for serious ?

Giannis may not single handenly carried the team but he was by FAR the biggest reason of our success .

The fact that RAPM showing an injured Middleton that came over after injury and was BAD most of time have better impact than Giannis is hilarious.


I know im a Giannis fanboy but noway in hell this RAPM crap can be taken seriously by analytic.
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Post#1798 » by Magic Giannison » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:07 am

Now Giannis is an borderline ALL NBA player?

WTF are these guys smoking ?
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Post#1799 » by Ron Swanson » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:18 am

People who think that the only intellectually honest way to evaluate players is by on/off splits and RAPM are the kind of posters that think Draymond Green is a Top-5 player in the league. I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinion.
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Post#1800 » by Prez » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:21 am

Magic Giannison wrote:
Prez wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:Can someone tell me if im missing something in this post or this Jazz fan claims that Bucks are doing the same with or without Giannis ? or im going crazy :banghead:

Looks like it, it's a pretty extreme advanced stats based take. I definitely wouldn't go that far but I don't think it's totally stupid. I think in general the idea that Giannis was single handedly carrying this team and that we sucked and couldn't do anything without him was way off.

So just because a stupid team based +- advance stat says Giannis doesn't impact the Bucks we should take it as granted and not consider that advance stat is stupid?

I mean the guy lead the team in all major categories ,become first in NBA history in top 20 in all major stats and we call that guy that have little to no impact because a **** RAPM stat says so ?

How can anyone consider themselves a basketball analytic even take such absurd data for serious ?

Giannis may not single handenly carried the team but he was by FAR the biggest reason of our success .

The fact that RAPM showing an injured Middleton that came over after injury and was BAD most of time have better impact than Giannis is hilarious.


I know im a Giannis fanboy but noway in hell this RAPM crap can be taken seriously by analytic.

I never once said I agreed with his RAPM rankings. Just that you're getting carried away by his box score numbers to a similar extent that they are with his advanced numbers. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, that he's an awesome player, an all-star starter and all-NBA type guy but not quite a superstar impact player yet.

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