Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[Baddy Chuck]

Pat and a second for any serviceable guy who gets us closer to that 2nd apron would be awesome. A Nick Richards, Drew Eubanks type move would give us a body and put us like a Delon Wright for nothing, Marjon for lower salary minimum guy away from being under the apron I think?

[Frank Nova]

Bucks trade - Pat C, Delon, Marjon and 2031 2RP

Hornets trade - Nick Richards and Tre Mann

[Fotis St]

This current version of Middleton coming off the bench being compared to Manu Ginobli or Ricky Pierce is blasphemous.

Yes it blasphemous for Manu's legacy to be compared with Khris

Unless you can read stats or watch games.

Middleton has been the better player throughout his career, especially in the playoffs.

Could you not question my basketball "watchtime" ?
it almost matches your lifetime.
Do I need to introduce myself in every post ?
I PLAYED the efing game as a POINT GUARD.... Have you ever played point guard in your lifetime ? I am not talking about pickup games? Full Court Official teams refs etc ?
Jesus the love for Khris here is like a bad mother babysitting her 35 year old son who still lives with his parents. It is a poisonous love

[RiotPunch]

Bucks trade - Pat C, Delon, Marjon and 2031 2RP

Hornets trade - Nick Richards and Tre Mann

Hornets take that package, why?

[Plossum]

Yeah that’s a lot to give up for essentially a second round pick.

[Frank Nova]

Bucks trade - Pat C, Delon, Marjon and 2031 2RP

Hornets trade - Nick Richards and Tre Mann

Hornets take that package, why?

Tre Mann is a 4.9m expiring, we’re sending them 4.7m in expirings so I guess it comes down to whether or not Mann is someone Charlotte wants to lock up long term? I’d think an extension would’ve already happened if it was going to. Mann will likely hit free agency so us sending them equal value in expirings makes that a wash.

4m is the difference between Pat and Nicks salary next year so the 2nd round pick is basically the compensation for Charlotte to eat that money. And if ownership likes Charles Lee as the coach, I’m sure a familiar vet like Pat with a ring and good work ethic will help that locker room.

Charlotte stinks and none of these players are needle movers anyway. This could be a “favor” package but also who’s going to be the 1s to give Charlotte any real value here? We can atleast offer them a pick and the championship vet connection to help their coach. You think anyone would cough up a 1st for that? Maybe I’m way off, idk.

[giannis and 1]

would the jazz trade filipowsko?

[RiotPunch]

Bucks trade - Pat C, Delon, Marjon and 2031 2RP

Hornets trade - Nick Richards and Tre Mann

Hornets take that package, why?

Tre Mann is a 4.9m expiring, we’re sending them 4.7m in expirings so I guess it comes down to whether or not Mann is someone Charlotte wants to lock up long term? I’d think an extension would’ve already happened if it was going to. Mann will likely hit free agency so us sending them equal value in expirings makes that a wash.

4m is the difference between Pat and Nicks salary next year so the 2nd round pick is basically the compensation for Charlotte to eat that money. And if ownership likes Charles Lee as the coach, I’m sure a familiar vet like Pat with a ring and good work ethic will help that locker room.

Charlotte stinks and none of these players are needle movers anyway. This could be a “favor” package but also who’s going to be the 1s to give Charlotte any real value here? We can atleast offer them a pick and the championship vet connection to help their coach. You think anyone would cough up a 1st for that? Maybe I’m way off, idk.

If the medicals on Mann are worrisome, I could see this a bit more. He has some value when healthy. Even just Richards for Pat/2nd feels questionable, really banking on Lee wanting a familiar locker room vet. Just feels like Charlotte could do quite a bit better, IMO.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks trade - Pat C, Delon, Marjon and 2031 2RP

Hornets trade - Nick Richards and Tre Mann

Hornets take that package, why?

Tre Mann is a 4.9m expiring, we’re sending them 4.7m in expirings so I guess it comes down to whether or not Mann is someone Charlotte wants to lock up long term? I’d think an extension would’ve already happened if it was going to. Mann will likely hit free agency so us sending them equal value in expirings makes that a wash.

4m is the difference between Pat and Nicks salary next year so the 2nd round pick is basically the compensation for Charlotte to eat that money. And if ownership likes Charles Lee as the coach, I’m sure a familiar vet like Pat with a ring and good work ethic will help that locker room.

Charlotte stinks and none of these players are needle movers anyway. This could be a “favor” package but also who’s going to be the 1s to give Charlotte any real value here? We can atleast offer them a pick and the championship vet connection to help their coach. You think anyone would cough up a 1st for that? Maybe I’m way off, idk.

The 2nd round pick will be enough for someone to take on Pat's contract, but not enough to land anyone in return, much less 2 players.

The Hornets have plenty of suitors for Richards

Also, Tre Mann will be a RFA, so no real concerns on Mann's upcoming contract for Charlotte.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't really see why the Hornets would move Richards for a lone 2nd round pick 6-years from now, let alone Mann on top of it. He's nothing special but I also have to think he can fetch multiple 2nd's. Maybe they'd take a flier on Marjon but again, I think people forget how little value a guy has once you decline that 4th year option and lose those RFA rights. That's why I'm not a fan unless he's maybe part of some larger trade. As is the only logical packages are Pat + 2031 1st (mega yuck), or Bobby (meh).

[raferfenix]

Nick Richards has a bad defensive rep & can't shoot. So why not just stick w/ Bobby in that case?

Pat and a second for any serviceable guy who gets us closer to that 2nd apron would be awesome. A Nick Richards, Drew Eubanks type move would give us a body and put us like a Delon Wright for nothing, Marjon for lower salary minimum guy away from being under the apron I think?

Is Richards really a bad defender? That'd give me pause if so considering our limited assets.

On the other hand, I don't think many teams are willing to take on Connaughton and give up a solid rotation player for a second or two. However if this is a pure salary cap play we'd still need a whole lot more help if we want to save the season.

There's a lot to like about Nick Richards. He's 27, mobile, an excellent shot-blocker and, perhaps most important for a cash-strapped team like the Milwaukee Bucks, makes just $5 million. He checks off all of the boxes for a team that is reportedly hunting for a rim-running lob threat to complement starting center Brook Lopez.

Sticking with the financial point, the Bucks could make an offer without gutting significant assets like countless other targets across the NBA. They could offer Pat Connaughton's $9.4 million salary and draft capital to entice Charlotte. Other NBA teams may have compelling offers, so that may just be a starting point for Milwaukee.

https://behindthebuckpass.com/trade-targets-bucks-jimmy-butler-pursuit

[Bernman]

Nick Richards has a bad defensive rep & can't shoot. So why not just stick w/ Bobby in that case?

Is Richards really a bad defender? That'd give me pause if considering our limited assets.

Well, that's what Hornets' fans strongly believe & he has weak d-ratings + individual metrics over the years.

- 114.9, 118.2, 112, 115.4

- "players who were defended by Richards shot almost 50%, close to the bottom for players who played more than 40 games"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/1d2cid3/should_the_hornets_trade_nick_richards_or_keep_him/

"pretty terrible defensively"
"plays zero defense"

I suppose playing there could be de-motivating or they could be using the wrong scheme. But seemingly he'd be a much worse defender on switches than Bob; theoretically provides better rim protection

[EasyE31]

To your point:

Dame-Ajax-Prince-Giannis-Lopez: +1 net in 395 possessions

Dame-Green-Prince-Giannis-Lopez: +29.4 in 104 possessions

Move Green into the starting lineup. I said bench Prince, who we've gotten diminishing returns from. But maybe just remove Ajax & use him in the 2nd unit when Giannis is off the floor. Or they both could come off. The Trent-Green lineups have put up gaudy #s

I'd use AJAX sparingly in the second unit just to keep him fresh but mostly I'd be looking to use him on an as needed matchup and situation dependent basis.

[soxperry]

According to bball index, Nick Richards profiles as an elite anchor big defender but is significantly below average offensively as a roll and cut big. And thats with Melo as his lob thrower.

Im confused as to why the Bucks would want to add a big who cant space the floor unless hes just way better and quicker than Brook on d... doesn't seem to be the case though

[Matches Malone]

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[ShootingtheJ]

Nick Richards has a bad defensive rep & can't shoot. So why not just stick w/ Bobby in that case?

Is Richards really a bad defender? That'd give me pause if considering our limited assets.

Well, that's what Hornets' fans strongly believe & he has weak d-ratings + individual metrics over the years.

- 114.9, 118.2, 112, 115.4

- "players who were defended by Richards shot almost 50%, close to the bottom for players who played more than 40 games"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/1d2cid3/should_the_hornets_trade_nick_richards_or_keep_him/

"pretty terrible defensively"
"plays zero defense"

I suppose playing there could be de-motivating or they could be using the wrong scheme. But seemingly he'd be a much worse defender on switches than Bob; theoretically provides better rim protection

Hornets fans are just scapegoating. The players Richards defends shoot at or near the hoop, of course they shoot well. He's a solid defender because of his rim defense. Pretty mobile too.

[JayMKE]

Nick Richards talk is making me nervous Horst will do something stupid. I will riot if that first gets traded

Maybe shouldn’t had traded FIVE 2nd round picks for Jae Crowder dumbass

[ShootingtheJ]

Sure but I don't think Green or GTJ have a problem doing that.

If AJ is open its going up and GTjr is the same. I don't fault them at all because that's what makes them valuable.

Eh, I think that's a consequence of their current roles. In the starting line up, I think both players are smart enough to pick their spots and shoot when appropriate.

Green has 67TS%, he should continue to shoot every time he's slightly open.

[Ron Swanson]

Targeting Richards would mean that we're serious about jettisoning one of Brook and/or Bobby. If that's the case, then I think we're looking at it a bit wrong. Question should be what wing or guard are we getting in addition to Richards when you throw one of those guys in? Richards and Cody Martin? Meh. Maybe there's a 3rd team that would like Bobby and kick us a more enticing perimeter option, but they'd still have to throw an extra asset Charlotte's way in this scenario. Would kinda just be another uninspiring deck-chair shuffling type move.

[crowhead76]

If AJ is open its going up and GTjr is the same. I don't fault them at all because that's what makes them valuable.

Eh, I think that's a consequence of their current roles. In the starting line up, I think both players are smart enough to pick their spots and shoot when appropriate.

Green has 67TS%, he should continue to shoot every time he's slightly open.

67TS% with only 9 free throws on the year is fun