Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders?

[hege53190]

It depends on what you can get. The Bucks should be listening to offers for Sanders just as they should have been listening last summer.

I have major concerns about the guy just as I did last summer. He doesn't seem like he loves basketball, he doesn't seem mentally stable, and he doesn't seem like he wants to take responsibility.

You can easily get away with those traits in the NBA. A lot of players have them. Some players thrive on them. However those types of players should not be the heart and sole of your team and the defacto leader if you plan on winning. If you believe you have a franchise cornerstone in the making then this type of leader is even more detrimental.

With that said Sanders is a very good talent and he should not be given away for nothing. A mid first round pick is awful compensation for him.

If somebody like Cleveland or Boston wants to back up the truck for him. The offer should be entertained. Outside of an overpay though. The Bucks should keep him for now.

[MrPerfect1]

Trading Larry right now would be awful.

Trading for a C that has 1 year left on his deal, will be 29 next season and demanding a new contract given we are trying to go young and rebuild would also be awful.

Asik makes no sense for this team, either this season or next. The only possible thing he can do is make our draft position worse, and after doing that, demand a huge contract extension before leaving in free agency.

Totally agree, trading Larry for any Asik deal would be impossibly stupid. Asik has almost 0 value to MIL, he would either be a 1 year rental or be a 29+ year old demanding a large contract on a team years away from possible contender status.

Also, trading a player at the low point of their value (or close to it) is almost never a good idea. Having Sanders right now also is helping our tank quite a bit.

I also think Larry should have more overall value than Asik: Younger, Locked up for Multiple years, did not Quit on team. On a title contender Asik may be the more attractive player (although how many would even then have the cap space to re-sign him) but on rebuilding teams Larry is the more attractive.

[Chapter29]

I am not moving Sanders and certainly not right now where you would be selling low.

I want to see Giannis, Henson and Sanders together. Especially now that Giannis is getting his sea legs.

Sanders seems like a good guy and has been loved by the fans. I wonder how the latter is being impacted? Go from being cheered to booed? With that he obviously has a quick temper and doesn't think before he reacts.

I say therapy over trade.

[Lippo]

Who knows, NO gave him and a 1st for Holiday

They gave him to the team who you now suggest will trade him. The Holiday trade signaled two things. 1) Philly is looking to rebuild and set themselves up for a top pick 2) They really like Noel. They're not going to completely change their plan because they got off to an unexpected decent start.

Or they really like and want Carter-Williams as their PG of the future and made Holiday expendable.

[Lippo]

5 things

- This word just in, pro players are often bad husbands and bad fathers.

- Larry needs to wear shoes with better grip when getting in bar fights. Hes lucky he didn't tear an ACL slipping & sliding.

- Throwing bottles/tumblers randomly into a crowd was weak and stupid. Pictured Larry more of a 2 handed choke kinda guy, I'm disappointed.

- He obviously was intoxicated while going out by himself, which shows depression/self destructive issues.

- I still want him to be the Center on this team going forward, he just may need some support and baby sitting off the court. last year you guys wouldn't trade him for a non top 3 pick. This all changed because of 2-3 games and a bar fight? Where is the loyalty?

[xTitan]

I think Sanders is majorly over rated here, immature and stupid is just a part of it, but I don't sell low. My hope is he can come back and put up some useless numbers to increase his value, without destroying the tank, then deal him in the off season.

[LUKE23]

I guess I don't see how he's overrated here. It comes down to two things:

1. How much you value elite defense
2. Whether or not you believe last year was a fluke, and/or you can fluke you way through an entire season of elite defense

Because there is really no way to argue at this point that Sanders WASN'T an elite defender. If anyone tries to say otherwise, there is mountains of analytic evidence that will refute that claim. I think some people believe he needs to become a first option post player or something to be worth his contract. If he plays at last years level moving forward and doesn't improve whatsoever on offense, he will have outplayed his deal. I don't buy that he doesn't care about basketball either, I just think he has a hard time controlling his emotions. That's obviously something that needs to be addressed, but it's far different and/or better than not caring about the game or not being willing to work to get better.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I think Sanders is majorly over rated here, immature and stupid is just a part of it, but I don't sell low. My hope is he can come back and put up some useless numbers to increase his value, without destroying the tank, then deal him in the off season.

If you think Larry Sanders puts up useless numbers and is overrated, then I would be interested in hearing your arguments to prove that.

[Nebula1]

Obviously you have to get this guy back on the floor in order to evaluate. He could return to form and become a cornerstone or slip and become an albatross contract.

My worry is that he gets the team unified and threatens the #1 pick and if that's the case, the minimum is a must-trade Ersan move.

Realistically, the Bucks should flip Ersan and Neal (and possibly Udoh), play Knight a little more at 2 and give Wolters some time.

[raferfenix]

How does Larry become an albatross?

Defense doesn't just disappear unless there is an injury that hampers athleticism. Which didn't happen here.

I'm more concerned with him helping us win than having a Gadzuric kind of situation with Sanders.

Rather, I think he still has a lot of value, and he would only be traded if this incident would act as an excuse for Kohl to make a tank trade based on his demand for high character players.

[InsideOut]

Just for fun name the last Bucks player that saw their value drop and then came back up to its peak again? For extra credit name the last time a Bucks player dropped in value, the value came back up again and then we traded him?

[LUKE23]

So what are you saying, Sanders value won't increase from where it is today? You can't be serious with that claim.

[InsideOut]

So what are you saying, Sanders value won't increase from where it is today? You can't be serious with that claim.

I'm not saying that. But if I was, how is that any more ridiculous than you saying his value is at the bottom. It's as if you are saying that his value can only go up from here. I'd ask how you could know that just as you asked how I could know it won't go back up again.

My point was that history shows that when a Bucks player loses value it doesn't tend to come back up again to where it once was. If you guys can give me a ton of examples well then I'd be wrong and my point wouldn't be valid. I also think Larry's value isn't that low. He hasn't played much this year and nobody seems that concerned about his fight.

[LUKE23]

How is it ridiculous to say his value is at the bottom right now? He started the year horribly, got into a bar fight, then got hurt. His numbers are awful. This comes back to whether or not you think last year was a fluke. I stand by my assertion that it is far easier to have a fluke offensive season than a fluke defensive season.

I really don't care about past players. Each player has a different skillset, age, contract, and motivation level. The notion that we should panic and trade him now or soon because we waited too long on some other players is nuts to me. My primary point is that I'd like to stick with a young core for once, and build to it this draft. We have a top shelf defenisve trio right now, and we're looking to trade the centerpiece of that? No.

[InsideOut]

How is it ridiculous to say his value is at the bottom right now? He started the year horribly, got into a bar fight, then got hurt. His numbers are awful. This comes back to whether or not you think last year was a fluke. I stand by my assertion that it is far easier to have a fluke offensive season than a fluke defensive season.

I really don't care about past players. Each player has a different skillset, age, contract, and motivation level. The notion that we should panic and trade him now or soon because we waited too long on some other players is nuts to me. My primary point is that I'd like to stick with a young core for once, and build to it this draft. We have a top shelf defenisve trio right now, and we're looking to trade the centerpiece of that? No.

The reason it is ridiculous to say his value is at the bottom is the same reason it would be ridiculous for me to say his value right now will never be higher. The reason is because we don't know the future. I understand you feel it can only get better for him from here but you thinking that doesn’t make it a given.

Let's say Larry comes back from missing 8 weeks and he is incredibly rusty and he looks bad. I don't think that is farfetched. Now let's say he has another incident with dogs, in a bar or with a ref on the court. Based on his history I also don't think that is farfetched. If either or both of those things happen his value at the trade deadline could be lower than it is right now. I feel that to say those things could never happen is ridiculous.

For whatever reason you feel his value going back up is a given and his value going lower is an impossibility. I'm saying neither one of those options is far from a sure thing. I'm also saying we have a history of players where we said don't sell low only to have those players value drop even lower. Remember don't give up on JA because we'd be selling low. Remember don't give up on Yi because we'd be selling low. Remember don't EVER trade Redd because his value is low. Now I realize that doesn't mean Sanders won't see his value skyrocket but based on history I sure as heck wouldn't be making it sound like an absolute that Sanders value can't go lower.

The fact that it is an unknown what direction Larry’s career and emotions will take tells me you should at least explore options. If you get a deal you feel is worth the risk you take it and if you can’t get any value for Larry then you don’t make the deal. I’m not willing to say no way you should even look to move Larry at this time.

[LUKE23]

We don't know the future, but we can make educated guesses based on the evidence we have. An educated guess would be that a player who started off the year horrendously, got into a bar fight altercation, and has since been injured for a month has very low value. The chances of said player's value dropping from the current point is slim to none. How are you honestly arguing that?

I get that people are arguing just to argue because that's what this forum does. If people want to trade Sanders becasue they think he has a major attitude problem or mental issues, I can at least buy that argument even though I disagree with it. But to talk about trade value and past players, when Sanders is currently sitting at without question the lowest trade value of his career today, is not logical. Sorry, it just isn't.

If we're going to use the "nobody can tell the future" stuff for every argument we might as well not debate anything.

[Badgerlander]

homer slamming on Larry on twitter right now, crazy

[raferfenix]

2) Unless one of them greatly improves in their midrange game, and that one would likely be Henson, I don't really see Henson/Sanders as a viable duo. Would be awesome defensively but a big liability on offense.

6) I would also consider moving Henson. In fact, I would be scheming right now on which of these two to move. But only if I received commensurate value for either of them. I feel no need to rush into anything. There is no need.

I'm coming around to both of these points.

Not sure if Henson is a long term starter, but either way it certainly doesn't seem like him and Sanders' games will mesh well. That could be fine for this season since we want to lose though.

Moving forward I'd hope we trade one while they have value based on who they could become, since neither seem likely to achieve their fullest potential here if we're relying on them to log heavy minutes together.

[emunney]

He's coming off like a total weirdo.

[Dobber-16]

if you supported moving andrew bogut at ANYTIME during his tenure here, then it makes zero sense to want to hang on to larry sanders.

move him for the best offer you can find.... and that includes a salary dump for cash if thats the best offer available.

Bogut was Bill Lambier
Sanders is Ben Wallace

It a likability thing.
No one liked Bogut, and injuries were a huge factor with him, Sanders is probably healthy enough to play now, but they are tanking so...they hold him out.
Sanders is a healthy 25 , Bogut was a decrepid 28 when we traded him

bogut was a far better player than sanders will ever dream of being. sanders is a ervin johnson level baller made worse with a rasheed wallace head.

watching sanders in person last week in street clothes on this team grossed me out. it made me realize just how much i dont even like him personally. the idiot picked up a tech on the bench arguing nothing and was horsing around dancing and crap with henson before the game like a rodeo clown. all the insider reports coming out of the lockerroom have been that hes a total dick and now its spilled over into the community as well.

sanders is an idiot. hes our next jennings. only we paid him which makes it worse. hes useless to me. i will enjoy the team more and be generally less embarassed about the whole state of affairs with this team if he is gone.

Well stated GOS. As I stated before the season started, "he's a trainwreck waiting to happen". Sure enough, the train got derailed. Luke23 flamed me for my statement, and I don't care. I still stand by it.

Luke23, I'm sure glad you're not running this team. Move Larry, he's not the face of the franchise, he's just another Stephen Jackson.