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'14 Draft Thread - Parker Declares. List your top 4

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Who's your pick?

Wiggins
145
56%
Embiid
60
23%
Parker
38
15%
Exum
13
5%
Randle
3
1%
 
Total votes: 259

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Re: '14 Draft Thread - Parker Declares. List your top 4 

Post#181 » by El Pooch Grande » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:34 am

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1. Jabari Parker - As some others have noted, I just think he's the best fit for the franchise. Brings tremendous character, integrity, likeability, passion and "Alpha-Killer Instinct," plus he has the highest floor of the Top 4 (ie - he's the "Safest Pick"). Can you imagine this guy's personality with Giannis's? :love: He also has a tremendous amount of room for growth. This kid was on the cover of SI billed as the best prospect since Lebron in 2012, least we not forget that. In addition to all his intangibles, he is a tremendous basketball player, who if, playing next to Sanders/Henson/Giannis, could likely hide any defensive deficiencies he would have at the NBA level.

2. Andrew Wiggins - The hype train isn't quite as strong as it was last summer, but it still should be darn close. Wiggins showed all the flashes of being a 5-tool NBA player at one point or another in his brief Kansas career. I think under the new ownership, and next to Giannis, he has a high likelihood of reaching his potential. But he is slightly more risky a pick than Jabari, due to his somewhat passive, somewhat disengaged nature. Thus he comes in at #2 on my board, because, we need to get this pick right.

3. Joel Embiid - I will be honest, if it wasn't for his injury he would likely be flirting with #1 on my board. But the Pantheon of NBA Annuals is littered with talented "Big Men" who's potential was robbed of them by injury. Embiid, no matter how talented, and no matter who on this board argues otherwise, is simply TOO RISKY, to take if both Parker/Wiggins are also available. If you think different, props to you...you are a braver man than me. With that said, I take him at #3 in a heartbeat if the two listed above are gone.

4. Dante Exum - I have come around on Exum though we have concerns with him, and he, in my mind, sits in a tier below the Top 3. How good can he shoot? What's his vertical at? If he can't shoot, and can't finish around the rim, what makes him so different than Marcus Smart, a player who likely will bring better NBA leadership and defensive prowess from Day 1. These Exum concerns must be alleviated in the pre-draft process, or else some on the honorable mention list below might begin to be in the conversation for #4...


Honorable Mention (Should something unforeseen happen to the Top 4):

- Julius Randle
- Marcus Smart
- Noah Vonleh
- Doug McDermott (his Dirk fadeaway has me hooked that he is a Top 10 prospect)

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Post#182 » by RandyBreuer » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:38 am

Couldn't agree with you more about Embid El Pooch. It would be a tough decision for me between him and Exum at 3. I will be heart broken if we don't get Wiggins or Parker.
I wouldn't take McDermott n the first round, he will get abused on defense and won't get many easy shots. A fatter version of Adam Morrison. He needs to be in the perfect system and not on a rebuilding team.
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Post#183 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:56 am

McDermott is going to live and die by his jumpshot, a skill that isn't likely to go away in the NBA. His shooting alone makes him easily a first round talent. Said it before, I think he carves out a role like Jared Dudley.
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Post#184 » by No-Man » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:09 am

I think McDermott is going to have a career similar to Wally World, around 18ppg-6rpg-2apg in his prime with awesome %
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Post#185 » by smauss » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:44 pm

smauss wrote:1.) Embiid
2.) Wiggins
3.) Parker
4a.) Smart
4b.) Exum

Like I've said before, I think Wiggins has the greatest chance to be a disappointment so I could easily flip Him and Parker but this is it for right now.

I'm making a big change this morning that most of you won't agree with. I'm swapping Smart and Wiggins on my list. After pondering on things I just don't think that what Smart brings to the table (PnR, getting to the rim AND finishing, size & strength, FT, defense) is just so valuable in the current NBA game, that I think he needs to move up. He can break down the defense and drive or kick. He can defend bigger guards (IE: Westbrook) and match their physicality. In todays NBA, I just think those assets are just too valuable to ignore. The questions I have about him are jumpshot (obviously) which IMHO is overblown. Not everyone on the team needs to be a shooter. As long as he is on a team with enough shooters, he should be fine. Could he improve his shooting - yeah/maybe, but I don't believe jump shooting will ever be his forte. The second is how well he can run the break and work in the open floor. I simply don't know about that aspect of his game. But I'd be willing to take him #2.

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3.) Parker
4a.) Wiggins
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Post#186 » by Godgers » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:11 pm

Anyone see this pic of Exum on realgm? The dude looks ripped to the core.

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Post#187 » by Newz » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:11 pm

Godgers wrote:Anyone see this pic of Exum on realgm? The dude looks ripped to the core.

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Post#188 » by MrPerfect1 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:14 pm

For me it is:

1)Wiggins
2)Embiid
3)Exum
4)Parker

Embiid's back scares me some. I would consider Embiid higher but honestly have not seen enough of him play so still an unknown to me.

1 slight concern about Wiggins is how him and Giannis would fit together. Obviously, they could be awesome defensively and in transition. However, both your starting 2 and 3 with questionable jump shots would mean we need need both a good shooting PG and PF to maintain proper spacing.

Is there any team that has shaky outside shooters at both the 2 and 3 that has done very well? I would guess maybe current IND (pretty bad offensively).
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Post#189 » by JustinCredible » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:14 pm

Anyone see the poll on ESPN.com asking who you would take with the #1 pick? Jabari Parker is winning every state except for two: Kansas and Kentucky.

Kansas' poll results are very interesting. Embiid is the top choice followed by PARKER. Wiggins is the 3rd choice......in Kansas.
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Post#190 » by KingWing » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:23 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:For me it is:

1)Wiggins
2)Embiid
3)Exum
4)Parker

Embiid's back scares me some. I would consider Embiid higher but honestly have not seen enough of him play so still an unknown to me.

1 slight concern about Wiggins is how him and Giannis would fit together. Obviously, they could be awesome defensively and in transition. However, both your starting 2 and 3 with questionable jump shots would mean we need need both a good shooting PG and PF to maintain proper spacing.

Is there any team that has shaky outside shooters at both the 2 and 3 that has done very well? I would guess maybe current IND (pretty bad offensively).


If the bucks draft Wiggins it'll be interesting to see if they play Wiggins and Giannis as 2/3 or 3/4.

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Post#191 » by Newz » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:33 pm

If we draft Wiggins I cannot imagine why we wouldn't play him at the 2 and Giannis at the 3. I just don't see Giannis as a 4 at all and I think Wiggins can play either at the 2 or 3 with ease.
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Post#192 » by Godgers » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:06 pm

I would love to see Wiggins play the two. Wiggins and Giannis would be fun to watch.

Hopefully when the Bucks house gets clean we will finally get to see our young players play and just watch this team grow.
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Post#193 » by TroyD92 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:09 pm

I'm more concerned about Parker and Giannis as a fit.
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Post#194 » by JustinCredible » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:14 pm

TroyD92 wrote:I'm more concerned about Parker and Giannis as a fit.


Yes, I am concerned about Parker fitting into a position period. Watching him offensively, he is CLEARLY the #1 pick. However, he is one of the worst defensive players I've seen in awhile. He gets blown by guarding wings or guards at the college level and gives up really low post position against 'bigs' at the college level. He is really a poor perimeter defender and is equally bad in the post. I just don't know who he guards unless he is willing to put a TON of work in on that end of the floor. He is awful.
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Post#195 » by tski1972 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:21 pm

I can't believe people are concerned about Jabari's defense.

75% of NBA players don't play defense.
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Post#196 » by JustinCredible » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:24 pm

tski1972 wrote:I can't believe people are concerned about Jabari's defense.

75% of NBA players don't play defense.


He plays defense a little worse than Monta Ellis. If you are okay with that then so be it. I'm not saying that he can't ever get better at it. Scouts just need to find out his desire on that end of the floor. If he is like Big Dog's mindset then he will never improve.
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Post#197 » by JustinCredible » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:28 pm

When I watch the first part of this I want to take him #1 without hesitation. He will be an elite offensive talent. I had heard he was bad defensively so I was expecting that to be a weakness. I was blown away at how bad he looks in the 'Weaknesses' part of this video though. He has zero IQ on the defensive end.

Like I said, if he seems motivated to greatly work and improve on that end I'd still consider him #1. Right now it is a MAJOR red flag though.

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Post#198 » by TroyD92 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:28 pm

tski1972 wrote:I can't believe people are concerned about Jabari's defense.

75% of NBA players don't play defense.


Good thing 75% of those players have never been in the playoffs.
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Post#199 » by Newz » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:30 pm

JustinCredible wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:I'm more concerned about Parker and Giannis as a fit.


Yes, I am concerned about Parker fitting into a position period. Watching him offensively, he is CLEARLY the #1 pick. However, he is one of the worst defensive players I've seen in awhile. He gets blown by guarding wings or guards at the college level and gives up really low post position against 'bigs' at the college level. He is really a poor perimeter defender and is equally bad in the post. I just don't know who he guards unless he is willing to put a TON of work in on that end of the floor. He is awful.


If you think he is bad on the perimeter and in the post... which him try to defend a pick and roll. Right now the guy is a total joke on the defensive end of the floor.

Obviously that could improve, but that is a pretty big red flag for me when you are trying to draft a franchise player.
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Post#200 » by mlloyd10 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:33 pm

Worst case senerio:
Parker will be Tobias with a little Melo
Wiggins will be Derozen with a little pippen defensivly

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