Who Should Be The 5th Starter?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Having Pat gives them a safety valve to take a risk on someone else and if it doesn't work, you can pull the plug and there's a good option in the wings. And so if they go with Beasley its probably because they trust that his defense can be adequate and he'll have good shot selection. If one or both of those things change you can pull the plug on it anytime you want.

this is spot on. i think this is exactly what will happen

[Dick Tate]

And Beasley wasn't on the floor with Lebron in the playoffs because of the bad shots Beas was taking and his poor defense. Darvin Ham clearly didn't think Lebron being on the floor would help Beas a ton

That may be part of the reason but more to do with the ascension of Austin Reaves.

And I'm not saying Giannis & Dame won't give a massive amount of gravity to Beasley or any other player. But realistically the starting SG should at best be 4th in shots taken among the starting lineup. Beas is likely going to keep shooting and taking shots away from our top players

I don't think that's likely. Dude just lost out on $13-14M. He isn't stupid. He signed to be part a championship level team that didn't even have a starting spot open when he signed. He knows he'll need to play the way coach wants if there's to be a big pay day in the future.

[jimmybones]

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This is one of 2 main reasons Beas shouldn't start. Let him take these tough contested shots with the 2nd unit, not while Giannis, Dame, & Khris are on the floor

I agree Beasley should be coming off the bench, but the point of the tweet is that they won't be that contested playing with Giannis. There is absolutely no way playing with the starting unit wouldn't drop that number dramatically for him.

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

Yeah, I don't buy that he'd defer to better players, he's played with good players. His willingness to take tough shots and make them at a decent rate can be an asset to a second unit but a detriment to a starting unit that has 3-4 players on the floor you'd prefer to see taking those shots most of the time.

Chuckers gonna chuck man. Rather have a 5th starter willing to take table scraps and bust their ass on both ends of the floor to get their seldom (and probably wide open) shots

[Daver]

I agree Beasley should be coming off the bench, but the point of the tweet is that they won't be that contested playing with Giannis. There is absolutely no way playing with the starting unit wouldn't drop that number dramatically for him.

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

Yeah, I don't buy that he'd defer to better players, he's played with good players. His willingness to take tough shots and make them at a decent rate can be an asset to a second unit but a detriment to a starting unit that has 3-4 players on the floor you'd prefer to see taking those shots most of the time.

Chuckers gonna chuck man. Rather have a 5th starter willing to take table scraps and bust their ass on both ends of the floor to get their seldom (and probably wide open) shots

Please define what a chucker is someone that shoots more thsn 15xs a game from the SG spot.
If thsts your definition of a chucker thsn i guess anyone that shoots more thsn 15xs in one.Im sure if marjon shoot 15x a game no one would call him a chucker

[Daver]

Seeing that this board loves patty C he starts he shoots 12 to 15xs a game you going to call him a chucker to

[theFireBlanket]

Seeing that this board loves patty C he starts he shoots 12 to 15xs a game you going to call him a chucker to

Hell yeah, Patty Chucknaughton McNoBrains. First he'll hang 80 on the Raps Nov 1st, game of his life.

Then he'll grow a rattail, shave the sides for a mohawk, dye it red & rock the bandana look that pisses his dad off.

[MVP2110]

Seeing that this board loves patty C he starts he shoots 12 to 15xs a game you going to call him a chucker to

Last year Beas put up 21 shots per 100 possessions. Pat put up 14 shots per 100 possessions.

[ShootingtheJ]

I get that the tweet is trying to spin this in a positive light but it shows that Beas is very much willing to take contested 3s and I highly doubt that habit of his is going to change. The thing about Beas starting is for the idea to work he has to drastically change his play style on both offense & defense and that's such a hard ask of a player.

Yeah, I don't buy that he'd defer to better players, he's played with good players. His willingness to take tough shots and make them at a decent rate can be an asset to a second unit but a detriment to a starting unit that has 3-4 players on the floor you'd prefer to see taking those shots most of the time.

Chuckers gonna chuck man. Rather have a 5th starter willing to take table scraps and bust their ass on both ends of the floor to get their seldom (and probably wide open) shots

Please define what a chucker is someone that shoots more thsn 15xs a game from the SG spot.
If thsts your definition of a chucker thsn i guess anyone that shoots more thsn 15xs in one.Im sure if marjon shoot 15x a game no one would call him a chucker

It's not about the attempts, it's about whether they take shots they can make. Beasley had a lowly 52TS% last year while playing with Lebron. That's stealing shots from a better player

[Daver]

Seeing that this board loves patty C he starts he shoots 12 to 15xs a game you going to call him a chucker to

Last year Beas put up 21 shots per 100 possessions. Pat put up 14 shots per 100 possessions.

That was last year man doesnt nean he will do that this year with dame midds giannis n lopez players can change hes never been in a lineup like this would be fair to give him 1 week or so before the knives come out.

[MVP2110]

Seeing that this board loves patty C he starts he shoots 12 to 15xs a game you going to call him a chucker to

Last year Beas put up 21 shots per 100 possessions. Pat put up 14 shots per 100 possessions.

That was last year man doesnt nean he will do that this year with dame midds giannis n lopez players can change hes never been in a lineup like this would be fair to give him 1 week or so before the knives come out.

He was with Lebron & AD last year lol.

[blazza18]

Keep looking at the list of guys in the poll and I have next to no confidence in any of them defensively besides the rookie. Griff/Lopez/Giannis are going to need to cover up some mistakes no matter who is chosen.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Keep looking at the list of guys in the poll and I have next to no confidence in any of them defensively besides the rookie. Griff/Lopez/Giannis are going to need to cover up some mistakes no matter who is chosen.

not only would he be instantly bad ass defensively but hed be an insane glue guy offensively. i imagine rookie MAM if he had handles and elite athleticism. like how is that not the starter here?

MAM developed a passable jumper in time too but you could play off him because he couldnt attack closeouts and deal lightening to his teammates with the pass.

i dont really care who starts but with pat and ajj on the roster im not really worried about the position. beasley, marjon, and green can have all the minutes they want but i feel pretty confident if theyre **** ups they arent gonna have free rein for long

[ShootingtheJ]

And Beasley wasn't on the floor with Lebron in the playoffs because of the bad shots Beas was taking and his poor defense. Darvin Ham clearly didn't think Lebron being on the floor would help Beas a ton

That may be part of the reason but more to do with the ascension of Austin Reaves.

And I'm not saying Giannis & Dame won't give a massive amount of gravity to Beasley or any other player. But realistically the starting SG should at best be 4th in shots taken among the starting lineup. Beas is likely going to keep shooting and taking shots away from our top players

I don't think that's likely. Dude just lost out on $13-14M. He isn't stupid. He signed to be part a championship level team that didn't even have a starting spot open when he signed. He knows he'll need to play the way coach wants if there's to be a big pay day in the future.

He didn't know last season that he was in a contract year? How was he unmotivated in a contract year, playing with a top 3 player of all time, on a team that made the conference finals?

[Ill-yasova]

The 5th starter position is less important to me than a capable all-around player of the bench. I like Marjon as a 6-7th man this year and I’m a big fan of him. Beas seems like he’s buying in on defense, he’s getting deflections and giving good effort on that side of the ball. He’s also the guy who could make the biggest impact feeding off of Giannis and Dame’s gravity. I’d rather see Marjon get more usage leading the second team.

[old skool]

Beasley has to be pretty humbled. 1st round pick in his 8th NBA season at age 26 signing a $2-million vet minimum contract.

That's a big come down from the 3 year $42-million deal he just completed. That's a wake up call message from the NBA that you are not wanted or valued.



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[ShootingtheJ]

Beasley has to be pretty humbled. 1st round pick in his 8th NBA season at age 26 signing a $2-million vet minimum contract.

That's a big come down from the 3 year $42-million deal he just completed. That's a wake up call message from the NBA that you are not wanted or valued.



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And yet in his last preseason game he was out there chucking up contested 3, and not running the court to get back on defense. Just like he did with Denver, Minnesota, Utah, and the Lakers. He should have learned, but instead he continues on his career trajectory that will have him in China next season.

[GoldenAntlers]

I feel like people tend to forget that coaches often tell shooters to shoot.

[old skool]

Beasley is a big drop off from Grayson Allen. An ongoing failure to perform, but likely the best bet to fill that 5th starter role.

This thread talks about Crowder, Connaughton, Beauchamp, but none of those have meaningful recent experience guarding SGs. They are all SFs. Too slow to defend guards.

The rookies are likely lesser alternatives to the vets. It's just that we have yet to see their shortcomings.

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[chonestown]

I feel like people tend to forget that coaches often tell shooters to shoot.

Coach "bud" when he saw coaching the Bucks used the catch phrase "let it fry" case clothed

[raferfenix]

…or maybe the starter come playoff time isn’t on our team yet?

Beasley will have every opportunity to resuscitate his career. But Horst also has a history of moving on quickly when guys flop (DJ Augustin / Cousins).

Connaughton ideally is a 3 and Crowder / Middleton should be a 3/4 combo not 2/3.

AJJ, MarJon and even AJ could absolutely seize the day. But when vet ring chasers start asking for trades and getting bought out from hapless teams the Bucks could be a huge opportunity.