PG Celtics - Bucks Fall

[Matches Malone]

Even if you don't think Ajax should start, give him an increased bench role. Griffin continually harps on bringing energy and effort like a Kidd clone, well then play one of the guys that continually brings you that energy you need. You can instantly feel Ajax's presence in the game just by his hustle.

[Epicurus]

One thing that bothers me about Dame is that his shot selection can be **** sometimes.

That wich bothers you is what has made Dame such a great offensive player--his self-confidence, coupled with a bright green light from the bench. I have watched about everyone of Dame's games in his first nine years, and despite my old timer's preference for shots closer to the basket, have come to cherish that combo from Dame. That fraemework for his first nine years led not only to Dame's fine offense, but to the offenses of some talent limited teams.

[tedbrogen]

Was the reason Giannis tried all the layups instead of dunks was that the Celtics had a guy in position, and would have drawn an offensive foul if he tried to dunk it? Because Giannis couldn't hit a layup to save his life against the Celtics. They weren't even close.

The Celtics employ two strategies (mostly spearheaded by Horford and things Stevens always taught even at the college level):
- When Giannis gets close to the rim, put one arm straight up but do an arm bar shoved into his hip with the other arm to push him slightly off his trajectory
- when Giannis (or anyone) gets the ball near the hoop, slap down on the hand/wrist as hard as you can
Both of these are dare the officials to call it moves and betting the officials won’t call that many fouls to completely slow down the game. Sprinkle in home court advantage and the reputation of being “tough” on defense and you can steal a bunch of no calls that other teams don’t get and cause some misses on normally made baskets around the rim.

[tedbrogen]

One thing that bothers me about Dame is that his shot selection can be **** sometimes.

That wich bothers you is what has made Dame such a great offensive player--his self-confidence, coupled with a bright green light from the bench. I have watched about everyone of Dame's games in his first nine years, and despite my old timer's preference for shots closer to the basket, have come to cherish that combo from Dame. That fraemework for his first nine years led not only to Dame's fine offense, but to the offenses of some talent limited teams.

Yep. Dame was a walking top five offense into himself when even below average teams talent-wise just gave him the ball and let him work.

When he’s on the court, he should always be involved in the action. He should initiate most of the time. When he doesn’t he should be the screener or if you’re running a post up for Giannis, he should feed the post and be the guy one pass off for Giannis. It’s such a waste to put him on the wing on the opposite side of the action. The Bucks have like five or more guys who can just stand on the wing and shoot if they are left open. They have no one with Dane’s ability to create shots at all three levels.

[Epicurus]

It was a bit more than giving Dame the ball and let him work. The offense created space through timing and angles that optimize Dame's offensive proclivities within game time. Can it be done with obviously more offensive talent on the floor with him?

[Prez]

Even if you don't think Ajax should start, give him an increased bench role. Griffin continually harps on bringing energy and effort like a Kidd clone, well then play one of the guys that continually brings you that energy you need. You can instantly feel Ajax's presence in the game just by his hustle.

This is the weirdest thing to me. Everything that Griffin claims he is all about (physicality, intensity, aggressive effort defensively, unselfishness, etc), there literally is not a player on our roster who embodies all of that more than Dre. The fact that Griffin is not only limiting Dre, but has opted instead to start Beasley, is truly bizarre.

Even if they’re not ready right this second, the ceiling of this team hinges on Dre and MarJon getting 20-25 mpg every night so they can work through any young player struggles so hopefully by April they’re ready to be 16 game players.

[jimmybones]

Everyone got toasted on defense. Beasley wasn't the worst

Not even close. I’m surprised there aren’t more people clamoring for Mids to come off the bench and be our Ginobli. It makes sense imo

I’d bring Midds and Beas off the bench. Run Midds post ups with Beas feeding him and being the one pass off guy.

I’d start Marjon and Dre with Dame/Giannis/Brook. The starting lineup needs that energy and defense. Plus then you distribute the minutes of the higher volume shooters.

The current starting lineup is too many guys who need shots to get in rhythm. Beas ability to be a flamethrower when he gets on a heater is wasted as a starter because four other guys need to get shots first. So he just ends up standing around.

+100 was just thinking the same thing

I think all 4 of those guys are in better roles for them in that swap.

Marjon and AJJ provide defensive movement and effort right off the bat to slow down the other team from finding immediate rhythm.

Beasley is clearly offense off the bench, I mean what are we doing here, come on.

Midds may have to cap out at 25-30 minutes and those minutes would be better used as a 6th man. Midds comes in when Giannis gets his early breather 6 minutes in so he’s getting time to work with Dame since Dame plays the entire 1st. Let Midds run second units for stretches in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

[MissKhriddleton]

This game should be setting off alarms. Don’t care if it’s November and lol at we only lost by 3.

We were out of sorts the whole time. Boston is still the big bad boogeyman to Giannis and everyone but Dame. And unfortunately Giannis thinks the only solution is to take it all upon himself.

The defense is awful.

Khris is absolutely cooked, don’t care what his TS% is or per 36 is. He’s done. JB and JT can take him off the dribble whenever they want. Not a chance he lasts the whole season.

AG refuses to play AJJ and this is with Crowder out of the rotation. Dude won’t sniff the court when he comes back.

This is not totally unsalvagable but yikes.

[Milbucks96]

Everything points to our team being at its best when Khris and Giannis play as many minutes as possible together. Bring Beasley off the bench, it makes no sense why he’s starting. We don’t need more defense in our starting lineup, that’s really the only thing it does well. Our offense sucks when Dame and Giannis plays together. It’s probably just shots not falling but we should figure that out first.

Khris has been really good so far and I don’t get the obsession to change his role. We’re destroying teams (on both ends!) when he’s on the court. If anything Brook should be coming off the bench with his role changed, or maybe even staggering Giannis and Dame more. Cleaning the glass lineup data shows that the offense performs better when those two play without each other.

[Dick Tate]

This season is supposed to be fun.

There is no fun when expectations are attached.

[buckboy]

Hoping SidneyLanier took the Bucks +5.

Sweet cover if so.

It was a sweet cover for those who took the points, but I was guilty of gambleratorial overreach and took the money line.

I had over 235.

Was thrilled with the push

[mattg]

This game should be setting off alarms. Don’t care if it’s November and lol at we only lost by 3.

We were out of sorts the whole time. Boston is still the big bad boogeyman to Giannis and everyone but Dame. And unfortunately Giannis thinks the only solution is to take it all upon himself.

The defense is awful.

Khris is absolutely cooked, don’t care what his TS% is or per 36 is. He’s done. JB and JT can take him off the dribble whenever they want. Not a chance he lasts the whole season.

AG refuses to play AJJ and this is with Crowder out of the rotation. Dude won’t sniff the court when he comes back.

This is not totally unsalvagable but yikes.

Yeah, there is no moral victory here, Boston was clowning us and then got lackadaisical in a blowout. There are not positives to take away. We straight up are unable to string together good possessions vs good teams. Forget about multiple stops in a row, we have a singular good offensive possession and then the next time down take a dumb shot. We are nowhere even remotely close to being a contender right now. Nowhere close. The defense is dumb and if we are using Giannis on the perimeter then he's just another guy on that end, nothing special and that used to be our biggest weapon.

Khris is done as a high impact guy, he'll have his moments sure, but he's so limited now. He can't play big minutes. He never could in the past, his production has always been pretty much the same once he hits around 30 minutes, he doesn't scale up in production if we ramp him towards 36 mins. Only now he's not even capable of 30 minutes consistently or maybe ever.

The big issue is that we can't figure out how to utilize Dame/Giannis in an additive way offensively, that's utterly pathetic and Dumb Griffin is not the guy to solve that. He's worried about trying to tell Giannis he needs to sit on the bench when Giannis is taking a dump on the court doing nothing positive and this Dame/Giannis issue is a Giannis specific problem. You can't fix stupid and we have a stupid coach, and stupid Giannis problem.

[StickeeFingaz]

Key stretch for me was in the second half, down 11. We proceed to get three stops in a row, but then we don’t score in three straight possessions. I think Pat lost the handle, Bobby did something stupid, and then something else I can’t remember.

[ShootingtheJ]

This game should be setting off alarms. Don’t care if it’s November and lol at we only lost by 3.

We were out of sorts the whole time. Boston is still the big bad boogeyman to Giannis and everyone but Dame. And unfortunately Giannis thinks the only solution is to take it all upon himself.

The defense is awful.

Khris is absolutely cooked, don’t care what his TS% is or per 36 is. He’s done. JB and JT can take him off the dribble whenever they want. Not a chance he lasts the whole season.

AG refuses to play AJJ and this is with Crowder out of the rotation. Dude won’t sniff the court when he comes back.

This is not totally unsalvagable but yikes.

Yeah, there is no moral victory here, Boston was clowning us and then got lackadaisical in a blowout. There are not positives to take away. We straight up are unable to string together good possessions vs good teams. Forget about multiple stops in a row, we have a singular good offensive possession and then the next time down take a dumb shot. We are nowhere even remotely close to being a contender right now. Nowhere close. The defense is dumb and if we are using Giannis on the perimeter then he's just another guy on that end, nothing special and that used to be our biggest weapon.

Khris is done as a high impact guy, he'll have his moments sure, but he's so limited now. He can't play big minutes. He never could in the past, his production has always been pretty much the same once he hits around 30 minutes, he doesn't scale up in production if we ramp him towards 36 mins. Only now he's not even capable of 30 minutes consistently or maybe ever.

The big issue is that we can't figure out how to utilize Dame/Giannis in an additive way offensively, that's utterly pathetic and Dumb Griffin is not the guy to solve that. He's worried about trying to tell Giannis he needs to sit on the bench when Giannis is taking a dump on the court doing nothing positive and this Dame/Giannis issue is a Giannis specific problem. You can't fix stupid and we have a stupid coach, and stupid Giannis problem.

We attempted 10 more layups than the opposition, those were usually attempted by the best rim finisher in the game, missed them all, so we don't know how to run offense?

Giannis was off kilter, possibly because he was dealing with a virus, and suddenly were trash? Nah.

[paulpressey25]

Tonight against the Wizards, we’ll make all those layups. Why? Because the Wizards don’t have the defenders to bother our guys like Boston did.

[ShootingtheJ]

Tonight against the Wizards, we’ll make all those layups. Why? Because the Wizards don’t have the defenders to bother our guys like Boston did.

We'll score on defenses way better than Boston's. We missed layups against Hauser and Pritchard. You can't tell me their intimidating presence caused those misses.

[paulpressey25]

Tonight against the Wizards, we’ll make all those layups. Why? Because the Wizards don’t have the defenders to bother our guys like Boston did.

We'll score on defenses way better than Boston's. We missed layups against Hauser and Pritchard. You can't tell me their intimidating presence caused those misses.

In the system they play? Yes.

We've seen enough of the "it was just a bad shooting night" in Boston the last few years to know this wasn't an outlier.

[ShootingtheJ]

Tonight against the Wizards, we’ll make all those layups. Why? Because the Wizards don’t have the defenders to bother our guys like Boston did.

We'll score on defenses way better than Boston's. We missed layups against Hauser and Pritchard. You can't tell me their intimidating presence caused those misses.

In the system they play? Yes.

We've seen enough of the "it was just a bad shooting night" in Boston the last few years to know this wasn't an outlier.

No. We play a different system now, and prepare our shooters differently. It worked. We shot 38% from 3 despite Dame going 3-10.

We missed layups and dunks including uncontested layups and dunks.

[Daver]

We'll score on defenses way better than Boston's. We missed layups against Hauser and Pritchard. You can't tell me their intimidating presence caused those misses.

In the system they play? Yes.

We've seen enough of the "it was just a bad shooting night" in Boston the last few years to know this wasn't an outlier.

No. We play a different system now, and prepare our shooters differently. It worked. We shot 38% from 3 despite Dame going 3-10.

We missed layups and dunks including uncontested layups and dunks.

Agree lose by 3 n leave around 18 points in the paint cause of missed layups n dunks.Bostons D doesnt scare anyone guarentee you it doednt scare tbe bucks.
Theres a line that needs to be drawn from good D to just flat out bad O.Bucks dont miss that msny layups in 20 games let alone 1.Meh boston didnt impress me.Giannis scores his average points in the lane this is a 10 point bucks victory

[ShootingtheJ]

In the system they play? Yes.

We've seen enough of the "it was just a bad shooting night" in Boston the last few years to know this wasn't an outlier.

No. We play a different system now, and prepare our shooters differently. It worked. We shot 38% from 3 despite Dame going 3-10.

We missed layups and dunks including uncontested layups and dunks.

Agree lose by 3 n leave around 18 points in the paint cause of missed layups n dunks. Bostons D doesnt scare anyone guarentee you it doednt scare tbe bucks.
Theres a line that needs to be drawn from good D to just flat out bad O. Bucks dont miss that many layups in 20 games let alone 1.

Meh, Boston didn't impress me. Giannis scores his average points in the lane this is a 10 point bucks victory

Yeah, over time I'm guessing we'll see that Giannis having a cold that they didn't report before the game was all that was ailing us. No we he's that far in his head over the Celtics when Smart and Grant Williams aren't there.

The Celtics weren't setting up for a bunch of charges, and without that, Giannis at 100% is unstoppable.