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[Matches Malone]

Pablo rules.

We need to get Adam Silver more on Pablo's radar and find out what that alien is hiding. Ruining the league and I wouldn't be shocked if he knows about more circumvented deals out there. I don't trust him.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't even know what Cuban's doing. Remember, this is the guy that also defended that racist POS Donald Sterling with the rationale that "we all make mistakes". It's like dude, you're not even an owner at this point. You don't need to simp this hard for Ballmer and the league anymore, and if anything, it's just making him look just as corrupt and sketchy as the people he's so aggressively defending.

[FrieAaron]

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"This effort reflects Steve wanting to set a positive example and raise awareness of the growing and important role of voluntary carbon markets. Unfortunately, he was duped on the investment and on some parts of this agreement, as were many other investors and employees"

[MoreTrife]

This whole Ballmer/cap circumvention thing makes me irrationally angry seeing as how it really only affects the NBA. But it really aggravates my sense of fundamental fairness and abiding by the rules...and accepting responsibility. All of which are in short supply these days. This response of denying what flies in the face of overwhelming evidence...along with acting like that denial may be plausible. Disgusts me.

That CTO, CFO and CLO statement describing the KL for what is was - totally nonsensical and against any strategic decision-making and shady. Really says it all.

Totally expecting "unable to find support for the allegations, investigation closed" statement in the next 3 months.

[tedbrogen]

The one reason I think this will be punished and harshly is a lot of owners don’t want a path to pay players more. They want rules saying they can’t. Not all owners, obviously Ballmer and any billionaire that simply wants to win doesn’t care about a few million, but enough owners likely care more about the bottom line than winning.

In which case I suspect Kawhi’s contract is voided, it counts against the cap, he is suspended, Clippers fined, and Clippers lose draft picks.

[BroncoBuck]

I don't even know what Cuban's doing. Remember, this is the guy that also defended that racist POS Donald Sterling with the rationale that "we all make mistakes". It's like dude, you're not even an owner at this point. You don't need to simp this hard for Ballmer and the league anymore, and if anything, it's just making him look just as corrupt and sketchy as the people he's so aggressively defending.

Mark is defending Ballmer because of the massive Voyager lawsuit levied against him and the Mavs, which in my opinion is the true reason he sold his majority share in the team. He still owns like 30% or so of the Mavs. That’s why he keeps pushing this “I’ve fallen for scams” narrative. He’s been a big proponent of Crypto, but both him and the league failed to vet Voyager at a time when Crypto scams were running rampant. I’m fairly certain he still hasn’t settled in that case and the league has done a massive job sweeping it under the rug.

[JayMKE]

Cuban is just an egotistical jackass who thinks his ill gotten wealth makes him smarter and better than everybody else. He has a very average intellect and business acumen, his website was a loser who never made money that Yahoo paid an obscene amount of money for that it was not worth. Right place at the right time. This doofus has political ambitions too, putting in the work now for Ballmer.

[Licensed to Il]

FWIW there were a few beat writers, one full time guy with the Nets, who went on record a few years back saying that front office circumvented the cap by giving houses to people in KD and Harden’s circles. And it was sort of swept under the rug and didn’t gain traction.

[ReasonablySober]

FWIW there were a few beat writers, one full time guy with the Nets, who went on record a few years back saying that front office circumvented the cap by giving houses to people in KD and Harden’s circles. And it was sort of swept under the rug and didn’t gain traction.

That was Matt Sullivan, who wrote a book on the nets called Can't Stop the Hustle.

[Profound23]

FWIW there were a few beat writers, one full time guy with the Nets, who went on record a few years back saying that front office circumvented the cap by giving houses to people in KD and Harden’s circles. And it was sort of swept under the rug and didn’t gain traction.

That was Matt Sullivan, who wrote a book on the nets called Can't Stop the Hustle.

Yep, I was shocked that was never looked at. Meanwhile fans really want to say the Bucks are circumventing the cap by paying Thanasis.

[MickeyDavis]

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[MoreTrife]

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"and there are more viable explanations for why they invested the money"

Okay Mark, what possible viable explanatios are there when the company is openly floundering hemorrhaging cash for Dennis Wong to invest? So stupid.

[tedbrogen]

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"and there are more viable explanations for why they invested the money"

Okay Mark, what possible viable explanatios are there when the company is openly floundering hemorrhaging cash for Dennis Wong to invest? So stupid.

I’m sure Dennis Wong got his wealth by often investing in companies that have to disclose in the agreement that they are basically insolvent and under investigation.

[Plossum]

Cuban is doing the old “it’s not what you know, it what you can prove.”

He’s not necessarily wrong. It seems pretty clear on the circumstantial evidence what the clips did but there isn’t any smoking gun of sorts. The interesting part will be how Silver, a lawyer himself, interprets the evidence the NBA gathers.

[FrieAaron]

Even if this were a court of law, I've yet to hear any reasonable explanation why the owners of the Clippers invested this much money in Aspiration OR why a company would pay that much money to a celebrity to do absolutely nothing. Is there really even reasonable doubt here?

[raferfenix]

Wouldn’t put it past Riley being this petty.

That’s especially since (correctly or incorrectly) they probably see Wiggins significantly improving his value under Heat Culture well before they’d want his contract off the books:

While the and Heat have spoken about a Andrew Wiggins trade recently, one NBA executive told Lakers Daily that he “would be stunned” if Miami president Pat Riley traded Wiggins to LAL. “I would be stunned if Pat did this trade,” the NBA executive said. “You really think Pat wants to help LeBron [James]? He’s still mad about LeBron leaving Miami. I don’t see it happening.”

https://lakersdaily.com/nba-exec-would-be-stunned-if-pat-riley-traded-andrew-wiggins-to-lakers/

[midranger]

Cuban is on some “beyond reasonable doubt” standard.

Bitch, the NBA isn’t trying to lock him up.

[tedbrogen]

Cuban is doing the old “it’s not what you know, it what you can prove.”

He’s not necessarily wrong. It seems pretty clear on the circumstantial evidence what the clips did but there isn’t any smoking gun of sorts. The interesting part will be how Silver, a lawyer himself, interprets the evidence the NBA gathers.

Except the NBA CBA specifically allows for circumstantial evidence to be enough to prove salary cap circumvent. Smoking gun isn’t necessary.

Not sure why everyone thinks they need Joe Smith level signed agreement to see this was salary cap circumvention.

[Plossum]

Cuban is doing the old “it’s not what you know, it what you can prove.”

He’s not necessarily wrong. It seems pretty clear on the circumstantial evidence what the clips did but there isn’t any smoking gun of sorts. The interesting part will be how Silver, a lawyer himself, interprets the evidence the NBA gathers.

Except the NBA CBA specifically allows for circumstantial evidence to be enough to prove salary cap circumvent. Smoking gun isn’t necessary.

Not sure why everyone thinks they need Joe Smith level signed agreement to see this was salary cap circumvention.

I know but it’s not as simple as Silver making a determination on the evidence put before him. There’s a lot of potential arbitration they would need to go through before it even gets to Silver making a determination (Lowe’s podcast has some useful tidbits on the process).

I get the feeling this will be drawn out and messy, whichever way it goes.

[tedbrogen]

Cuban is doing the old “it’s not what you know, it what you can prove.”

He’s not necessarily wrong. It seems pretty clear on the circumstantial evidence what the clips did but there isn’t any smoking gun of sorts. The interesting part will be how Silver, a lawyer himself, interprets the evidence the NBA gathers.

Except the NBA CBA specifically allows for circumstantial evidence to be enough to prove salary cap circumvent. Smoking gun isn’t necessary.

Not sure why everyone thinks they need Joe Smith level signed agreement to see this was salary cap circumvention.

I know but it’s not as simple as Silver making a determination on the evidence put before him. There’s a lot of potential arbitration they would need to go through before it even gets to Silver making a determination (Lowe’s podcast has some useful tidbits on the process).

I get the feeling this will be drawn out and messy, whichever way it goes.

You’re missing the point. The point wasn’t Silver should make a ruling about this today. The point is that anyone saying “I need to see a smoking gun” is dumb.