Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[buckboy]

Smart/Knight/Giannis/Parker/Sanders sounds pretty good to me. Knight probably isn't the answer long term at the 2 but doesn't hurt nothing giving him a look there.

I would play Middleton at the 2 and bring Knight off the bench as the scorer off the bench (if I couldn't move him).

That lineup would drive me completely up the wall. 2 guys at guard, neither of whom is a point. Shoot me.

[breakchains]

Smart/Knight/Giannis/Parker/Sanders sounds pretty good to me. Knight probably isn't the answer long term at the 2 but doesn't hurt nothing giving him a look there.

I would play Middleton at the 2 and bring Knight off the bench as the scorer off the bench (if I couldn't move him).

That lineup would drive me completely up the wall. 2 guys at guard, neither of whom is a point. Shoot me.

I'd be fine with Smart playing the point with Middleton/Giannis/Parker/Sanders, and I would give Giannis a lot of the ball handling/distributing duties as well.

[On_Wisconsin]

I don't think you could fault Hammond with any of the top 4. No matter who he picks will add to the core in a positive way. This makes me a very happy Bucks fan at the moment.

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[Baddy Chuck]

That frontcourt complements each other very well though.

And to me I really don't think it's some prefect offensive fit people are making it out to be. I think having no low post threat at all is suspect, I think you're relying quite a bit on a guy like Sanders to develop into a VERY good pick and roll player which I also think is suspect and despite Giannis being an above average passer I think the passing anywhere besides Giannis isos is extremely suspect. I really don't think it's a seamless fit on offense. I think you'll have an extremely slow pace, focused almost entirely on ISO ball and without a guy scoring at an all world level you'll be pretty hardpressed at times scoring the ball.

[JayMKE]

Smart/Knight/Giannis/Parker/Sanders sounds pretty good to me. Knight probably isn't the answer long term at the 2 but doesn't hurt nothing giving him a look there.

I would play Middleton at the 2 and bring Knight off the bench as the scorer off the bench (if I couldn't move him).

That lineup would drive me completely up the wall. 2 guys at guard, neither of whom is a point. Shoot me.

Why can't Smart be a point? I think Giannis has a lot of potential as a point forward too.

[JayMKE]

That frontcourt complements each other very well though.

And to me I really don't think it's some prefect offensive fit people are making it out to be. I think having no low post threat at all is suspect, I think you're relying quite a bit on a guy like Sanders to develop into a VERY good pick and roll player which I also think is suspect and despite Giannis being an above average passer I think the passing anywhere besides Giannis isos is extremely suspect. I really don't think it's a seamless fit on offense. I think you'll have an extremely slow pace, focused almost entirely on ISO ball and without a guy scoring at an all world level you'll be pretty hardpressed at times scoring the ball.

I would think that Parker could score in the post but I would do the opposite, play fast. Get these guys out in transition.

[buckboy]

I would play Middleton at the 2 and bring Knight off the bench as the scorer off the bench (if I couldn't move him).

That lineup would drive me completely up the wall. 2 guys at guard, neither of whom is a point. Shoot me.

Why can't Smart be a point? I think Giannis has a lot of potential as a point forward too.

I agree on the Giannis part. Smart is not a point guard at all though. He can defend points, which is very helpful obviously, but he's not a facilitator, he's not a great passer at all, and he hunts his shot way too much for my taste. Particularly because he can't shoot.

I personally don't like Smart as a prospect at all. He's a shooting guard who can't shoot IMO.

[craig]

Parker and Giannis could be very nice complementary players offensively. Parker a good shooter and creative scorer, as well as another effective transition-game guy; but he'd help with producing some offense outside of the transition offense. Defensively, matchup city. "SF" vs "PF", not necessary designations.

[breakchains]

That lineup would drive me completely up the wall. 2 guys at guard, neither of whom is a point. Shoot me.

Why can't Smart be a point? I think Giannis has a lot of potential as a point forward too.

I agree on the Giannis part. Smart is not a point guard at all though. He can defend points, which is very helpful obviously, but he's not a facilitator, he's not a great passer at all, and he hunts his shot way too much for my taste. Particularly because he can't shoot.

I personally don't like Smart as a prospect at all. He's a shooting guard who can't shoot IMO.

Smart isn't exactly like that though. When you watched OK St., Smart was very willing to give the ball up early in the shot clock, unlike, say Knight, who you could tell it hurt his soul whenever he would have to give up the ball (ie. after he exhausted all opportunities to find his shot).

[mlloyd10]

So how come nobody has brought up Parker and the possibility of his mission that he might go on

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[mattg]

Aaron Gordon said that he is a forward. There's nothing wrong with that. With his ball-handling, passing, and cutting abilities, along with his ability to make jumpshots if he's left open, he can handle playing some minutes on the perimeter or in the very least, operating out of the mid-range. Yes, he didn't jack up 5 3's a game, but you're saying he doesn't understand his limitations while brushing off a respectable 3 point percentage because he didn't shoot enough. He still shot the 3 ball more than Noah Vonleh this year, and shot a higher percentage than guys like Shawn Marion that have made it work as a 3/4 (not to mention he shot higher than Jabari and Wiggins as well). His mechanics aren't bad either. He doesn't look comfortable shooting off the dribble, but he doesn't have to. That is one area where he can definitely learn about his game more. He shouldn't be taking shots off the dribble at all. He should either catch and shoot, or just take it all the way to rack.

But if you actually listen to his interviews rather than taking excerpts out of context, Gordon sounds like he just wants to go out and do whatever it takes to help his team win games. He doesn't care if it's as a SF or PF.

What ability to make jumpshots if left open? Gordon showed no ability to do that aside from the couple 3s he made. He shot like 25% on non rim shots this year! and that's including his 3s. He has absolutely zero ability to make shots if left open, and his incredibly awful FT shooting backs it up. His mechanics shooting are really inconsistent not good, which is why you see him miss badly left, right, short, long, all over. His release changes every time and there is very little consistency with his shot which Is why it sucks.

I get that the kid is articulate in interviews and is a team player, but he sounds delusional with some of his stuff. Guys with his strengths end up as good players by strictly staying within a certain role and excelling at that one area, not trying to do too much. I just don't know if he embraces that at this point. He seems bent on proving that he can play all over the place, which leads to numerous crazy quotes about him running point and being a perimeter player.

[Max Green]

So how come nobody has brought up Parker and the possibility of his mission that he might go on

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He already said and it's been reported that he isn't going on one.

[JayMKE]

That lineup would drive me completely up the wall. 2 guys at guard, neither of whom is a point. Shoot me.

Why can't Smart be a point? I think Giannis has a lot of potential as a point forward too.

I agree on the Giannis part. Smart is not a point guard at all though. He can defend points, which is very helpful obviously, but he's not a facilitator, he's not a great passer at all, and he hunts his shot way too much for my taste. Particularly because he can't shoot.

I personally don't like Smart as a prospect at all. He's a shooting guard who can't shoot IMO.

I don't agree about Smart not being able to be a point but whatever. Who would you want there?

[breakchains]

So how come nobody has brought up Parker and the possibility of his mission that he might go on

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Before Parker declared for the draft, he publicly stated that he wouldn't go on a mission, regardless of whether he declared or not.

[Baddy Chuck]

That frontcourt complements each other very well though.

And to me I really don't think it's some prefect offensive fit people are making it out to be. I think having no low post threat at all is suspect, I think you're relying quite a bit on a guy like Sanders to develop into a VERY good pick and roll player which I also think is suspect and despite Giannis being an above average passer I think the passing anywhere besides Giannis isos is extremely suspect. I really don't think it's a seamless fit on offense. I think you'll have an extremely slow pace, focused almost entirely on ISO ball and without a guy scoring at an all world level you'll be pretty hardpressed at times scoring the ball.

I would think that Parker could score in the post but I would do the opposite, play fast. Get these guys out in transition.

I think pegging Parker into your Melo/Pierce post scorer is pretty questionable right now, but I've made those reservations pretty clear before so I'll hold off right now. But yeah, you'd love to get out and run but I think that's easier said then done. I think you'd need to get a hell of a guard somewhere to speed up your game and your defense will also need to step up huge. Honestly, I'd see it winding up a lot like the Knicks are with Melo at power forward. You're offense would be extremely stagnant with a lot of ISO play and your defense would be pretty suspect overall.

[El Duderino]

Why can't Smart be a point? I think Giannis has a lot of potential as a point forward too.

I agree on the Giannis part. Smart is not a point guard at all though. He can defend points, which is very helpful obviously, but he's not a facilitator, he's not a great passer at all, and he hunts his shot way too much for my taste. Particularly because he can't shoot.

I personally don't like Smart as a prospect at all. He's a shooting guard who can't shoot IMO.

That's my main concern with Smart. When i watched him play at least, he mainly drove the paint just to try and either shoot or draw a foul. It wasn't often that he showed that type of innate PG vision where he was driving to either score or create for someone else depending on how the defense reacted to his penetration. It looked more like he was clearly their best player, so he was given the ball to be in his hands most of the time by simple necessity, not because Smart was a natural PG.

Mix in he's still a below average jump shooter after two years in college and he doesn't seem to know this given he loves shooting them, i worry about how his offensive game will translate to the NBA in the half court. He's not a natural born PG kinda like Knight isn't and he doesn't shoot well from the perimeter. He does though attack the paint well as a scorer and drawing fouls, rebounds well, and is a plus defender. On a team with other quality facilitators, Smart's lack of natural PG skills could be mitigated more, but if instead he goes to a team where he'd have to be the primary creator, i think it would be more problematic.

[buckboy]

Why can't Smart be a point? I think Giannis has a lot of potential as a point forward too.

I agree on the Giannis part. Smart is not a point guard at all though. He can defend points, which is very helpful obviously, but he's not a facilitator, he's not a great passer at all, and he hunts his shot way too much for my taste. Particularly because he can't shoot.

I personally don't like Smart as a prospect at all. He's a shooting guard who can't shoot IMO.

I don't agree about Smart not being able to be a point but whatever. Who would you want there?

Actually, I'm not high on many points in this draft. I like what little I've seen of Exum, but I'm not an expert on him by any stretch. I wouldn't take him at 2.

I like Payton, but I don't see how we can get a pick to get him. I think he's going to go in the 15-20 range. I also like Lavine, but I definitely don't see us getting a pick to get him either. I'm not convinced he's a point either.

Deonte Burton would be an interesting choice at 31/36.

I actually like Wolters quite a bit too.

[El Pooch Grande]

So how come nobody has brought up Parker and the possibility of his mission that he might go on

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Before Parker declared for the draft, he publicly stated that he wouldn't go on a mission, regardless of whether he declared or not.

Yep, Jabari stated in an interview with Sports Illustrated in April that he was not going to go on a Mission, though he remains devoted to his Faith.

So please, lets stop these rumors that he will be out for two years.

[breakchains]

LaVine definitely isn't a PG. I'd be totally content running Wolters at the point, and letting Giannis share duties as well. Unfortunately all of that is ruined by remembering that Knight is on this team and Larry Drew still coaches it, so our offense will like pretty similar to what it did last year, probably.

[paulpressey25]

All this debate over Jabari's position makes me more sold on Wiggins. We know he can play 2 or 3 easily within a conventional lineup.