Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[Baddy Chuck]

Honest question: why do we think Porzingis would do better in Milwaukee than he has in Dallas?

I think for him its about gaining his confidence back after injuries. Maybe he's always injured and never does, who knows.

Before this season he was a monster defender. Like disgusting. He'd get bodied around by the true bigs of the league which IDK I'm fine with but he was a monster rim protector and his length allowed him to contain a ton in switching/pnr coverage much like someone like Gobert is able to do. Offensively I think he has taken a step back from being "the guy" and has settled into a role where he can be a great 2nd/3rd option. He's also 25, which might extend our window another couple years if things worked out.

Porzingis is surely a "what if" right now because as I've said this season where I thought he'd put it together he's regressed but man that "what if" is a guy that just wouldn't be available otherwise.

All that said I have nothing against Midds and don't mind rolling with him.

[giannis and 1]

In the playoffs I would want to see Brook and Portis have an even split in minutes, with Giannis played a couple mins as the center. Bringing Giannis total to 40.

Forbes has got to get at least 10-12 mins. Maybe more in some situations.

And Pat should not be anywhere near 20.

Why? Forbes should be getting 0 minutes versus the Sixers/Nets. We should be switching 1-4 all the time when Brook is on the floor and switch 1-5 when he's off.

I think we could just manage his minutes better. Don't have him on the floor at the same time as Brook or Pat.

[giannis and 1]

It's a bad time to talk about trading Khris because it's hard to be objective when he's been playing this poorly. However, he's always had stretches like this, particularly during the grind of the regular season. He's never had a good motor, or even an average one by NBA standards, and IMO the issue is compounded by the compressed regular season. On the plus side, there's not a serious fundamental issue with his training or weight, as there was at times in the past, so this should pass if he gets a little rest before the playoffs.

Also, this core group deserves at least 1 year with Jrue in the playoffs before we even think about making major changes IMO. Even Brook deserves this year, though I admit I was kind of hoping they would deal him.

Well the deadline passed so the Middleton trades scenario's are hypotheticals in the offseason . I agree though.

Oh yeah, Middleton for Zingus is a huge no from me. I want absolutely nothing to do with an injury prone player like that unless the price is ridiculously low. Like Brook+Pat+Forbes low.

[Ruzious]

Would be nice to have picked up a mobile center for times like this

Ahem.

Read on Twitter

Unfortunately, it's a waive - not a buy-out - that they're talking about.

Edit - my mistake - it is a buyout, but apparently he's going to... Toronto.

A buyout is a waive fwiw.

No, they're different steps.

[jakecronus8]

It's a bad time to talk about trading Khris because it's hard to be objective when he's been playing this poorly. However, he's always had stretches like this, particularly during the grind of the regular season. He's never had a good motor, or even an average one by NBA standards, and IMO the issue is compounded by the compressed regular season. On the plus side, there's not a serious fundamental issue with his training or weight, as there was at times in the past, so this should pass if he gets a little rest before the playoffs.

Also, this core group deserves at least 1 year with Jrue in the playoffs before we even think about making major changes IMO. Even Brook deserves this year, though I admit I was kind of hoping they would deal him.

Well the deadline passed so the Middleton trades scenario's are hypotheticals in the offseason . I agree though.

Oh yeah, Middleton for Zingus is a huge no from me. I want absolutely nothing to do with an injury prone player like that unless the price is ridiculously low. Like Brook+Pat+Forbes low.

They should absolutely look to move on from Middleton if they don’t win it all this year. 5 playoff disappointments in a row is enough time to determine if he’s your #2 guy.

[humanrefutation]

I still am holding out hope that Dame will want out of Portland and we can fashion something to get him around Middleton. Probably a pipe dream.

[-Jragon-]

I still am holding out hope that Dame will want out of Portland and we can fashion something to get him around Middleton. Probably a pipe dream.

Only problem is we dont have a first to add that they'll expect back with Midds.

[humanrefutation]

I still am holding out hope that Dame will want out of Portland and we can fashion something to get him around Middleton. Probably a pipe dream.

Only problem is we dont have a first to add that they'll expect back with Midds.

We'd need to get the picks from elsewhere, perhaps with Brook and Donte?

[giannis and 1]

It's a bad time to talk about trading Khris because it's hard to be objective when he's been playing this poorly. However, he's always had stretches like this, particularly during the grind of the regular season. He's never had a good motor, or even an average one by NBA standards, and IMO the issue is compounded by the compressed regular season. On the plus side, there's not a serious fundamental issue with his training or weight, as there was at times in the past, so this should pass if he gets a little rest before the playoffs.

Also, this core group deserves at least 1 year with Jrue in the playoffs before we even think about making major changes IMO. Even Brook deserves this year, though I admit I was kind of hoping they would deal him.

Well the deadline passed so the Middleton trades scenario's are hypotheticals in the offseason . I agree though.

Oh yeah, Middleton for Zingus is a huge no from me. I want absolutely nothing to do with an injury prone player like that unless the price is ridiculously low. Like Brook+Pat+Forbes low.

They should absolutely look to move on from Middleton if they don’t win it all this year. 5 playoff disappointments in a row is enough time to determine if he’s your #2 guy.

I tend to agree with that, just don't want to swap him for Porzingus.

[randy84]

It's a bad time to talk about trading Khris because it's hard to be objective when he's been playing this poorly. However, he's always had stretches like this, particularly during the grind of the regular season. He's never had a good motor, or even an average one by NBA standards, and IMO the issue is compounded by the compressed regular season. On the plus side, there's not a serious fundamental issue with his training or weight, as there was at times in the past, so this should pass if he gets a little rest before the playoffs.

Also, this core group deserves at least 1 year with Jrue in the playoffs before we even think about making major changes IMO. Even Brook deserves this year, though I admit I was kind of hoping they would deal him.

Well the deadline passed so the Middleton trades scenario's are hypotheticals in the offseason . I agree though.

Oh yeah, Middleton for Zingus is a huge no from me. I want absolutely nothing to do with an injury prone player like that unless the price is ridiculously low. Like Brook+Pat+Forbes low.

They should absolutely look to move on from Middleton if they don’t win it all this year. 5 playoff disappointments in a row is enough time to determine if he’s your #2 guy.

Isn't he now number 3 behind Jrue?

[raferfenix]

RE Dame, here’s Chris Haynes on his relationship with Giannis:

If Giannis were to leave Milwaukee – I’m talking about this past summer, before signing the extension. If the team didn’t make the necessary moves to make Giannis feel comfortable, I believe there was a team that he would have considered leaving for. And that team is the Portland Trail Blazers.

Sources have told me that Giannis and Damian Lillard, they’ve gotten really close over the last few months. And they were talking about working out together. And I want to explain how important that is to people out there. Giannis doesn’t work out with anybody that’s not on his team. He doesn’t do that. He’s turned down working out with LeBron James and turned down being part of the Space Jam 2 movie. He doesn’t do that. Him and Dame were supposed to work out.

Sources have told me both them were talking with each other about the possibility of what it would look like playing with each other when their contract allowed so. I believe Dame was trying to tell Giannis about what it would look like, him playing in Portland. And same vice versa, Giannis trying to tell him what it’d be like playing in Milwaukee.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2020/12/29/report-giannis-antetokounmpo-and-damian-lillard-discussed-teaming-up/amp/

[ShootingtheJ]

Would be nice to have picked up a mobile center for times like this

Ahem.

Read on Twitter

Unfortunately, it's a waive - not a buy-out - that they're talking about.

Edit - my mistake - it is a buyout, but apparently he's going to... Toronto.

Smartest move Hammond made all year. How do you force Clifford to play Bamba over the inferior Berch? Cut Berch.

[midranger]

Would be nice to have picked up a mobile center for times like this

Ahem.

Read on Twitter

Unfortunately, it's a waive - not a buy-out - that they're talking about.

Edit - my mistake - it is a buyout, but apparently he's going to... Toronto.

Smartest move Hammond made all year. How do you force Clifford to play Bamba over the inferior Berch? Cut Berch.

But what about Khem, the man?

[emunney]

Ahem.

Read on Twitter

Unfortunately, it's a waive - not a buy-out - that they're talking about.

Edit - my mistake - it is a buyout, but apparently he's going to... Toronto.

A buyout is a waive fwiw.

No, they're different steps.

They aren't literally the same but you literally can not buy someone out without waiving them.

[-Jragon-]

I still am holding out hope that Dame will want out of Portland and we can fashion something to get him around Middleton. Probably a pipe dream.

Only problem is we dont have a first to add that they'll expect back with Midds.

We'd need to get the picks from elsewhere, perhaps with Brook and Donte?

Whoever is giving us a 1st for either of them .. I hope they are fans of advanced stats. Just wait a year and sign them instead

[-Jragon-]

Donte might never have the value he had last summer. Now a year closer to his salary mess and looking more often bust then boom. Better to draft your own Donte and have 4 cheap years.

[ShootingtheJ]

Only problem is we dont have a first to add that they'll expect back with Midds.

We'd need to get the picks from elsewhere, perhaps with Brook and Donte?

Whoever is giving us a 1st for either of them .. I hope they are fans of advanced stats. Just wait a year and sign them instead

Teams would love to deal for Donte now to get his Bird rights. They'd need huge cap space to get him later.

[Ruzious]

A buyout is a waive fwiw.

No, they're different steps.

They aren't literally the same but you literally can not buy someone out without waiving them.

You also can't win the NBA Championship without winning the East, but they're not the same.

[emunney]

No, they're different steps.

They aren't literally the same but you literally can not buy someone out without waiving them.

You also can't win the NBA Championship without winning the East, but they're not the same.

Alright, I must have misunderstood you. Tell me what you meant when you said it was unfortunate that it was a waive and not a buyout.

[Ruzious]

They aren't literally the same but you literally can not buy someone out without waiving them.

You also can't win the NBA Championship without winning the East, but they're not the same.

Alright, I must have misunderstood you. Tell me what you meant when you said it was unfortunate that it was a waive and not a buyout.

Dude, I already said I was wrong about that.