Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[ShootingtheJ]

Haynes definitely made it seem like the Bucks better do their due diligence to convince Giannis there’s a long term plan in place that keeps him playing for titles. I think we know what the big sell is in the short term we may take a potential step back to jump forward in the future but he may not want to hear that. Hopefully he takes that as a challenge to stay and overachieve rather than a warning sign the ship is sinking and he wants off.

If the team says they’ll only trade him if he wants out and it’s just so hard to believe that he’ll turn his back on the franchise at a potential down year after a 6/7yr run I just don’t see how it plays out any other way than he commits to the franchise this week.

Yeah, my fear is that he wants us to be trying to win at all times and "gap year" will sound like we aren't trying.

It is what it is. If the basketball is the most important part of the decision, we're screwed. We simply are not close to the best basketball situation anymore.

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Any team that trades for him has to give up so much that they're not a great situation either. He isn't going anywhere

[ShootingtheJ]

Still blown away to find out that Giannis is a fellow metal head.

Clearly Summerfest needs to do their part and book whoever Giannis is in to.

[jakecronus8]

Haynes definitely made it seem like the Bucks better do their due diligence to convince Giannis there’s a long term plan in place that keeps him playing for titles. I think we know what the big sell is in the short term we may take a potential step back to jump forward in the future but he may not want to hear that. Hopefully he takes that as a challenge to stay and overachieve rather than a warning sign the ship is sinking and he wants off.

If the team says they’ll only trade him if he wants out and it’s just so hard to believe that he’ll turn his back on the franchise at a potential down year after a 6/7yr run I just don’t see how it plays out any other way than he commits to the franchise this week.

If all else fails, pitch him on the two year comeback plan.

Coming back to Castle/Edgecombe/other young dudes we get in the draft/cap space for a final run at it back home.

[BigO]

I still don't think he asks out. Maybe there will be some kind of mutual understanding where he wishes he could stay and compete, but we've exhausted all assets to make that possible next season. Who knows. I believe he wants any reason to spite the Big NBA Media machine for putting words in his mouth, though.

Tell him you're bringing back Bobby, KPJ, Trent, Sims and show him the numbers playing with those guys. Show him we can be ultra aggressive next summer. Have Culver's cater the meeting.

Left out Kuzma.

[ShootingtheJ]

I still don't think he asks out. Maybe there will be some kind of mutual understanding where he wishes he could stay and compete, but we've exhausted all assets to make that possible next season. Who knows. I believe he wants any reason to spite the Big NBA Media machine for putting words in his mouth, though.

Tell him you're bringing back Bobby, KPJ, Trent, Sims and show him the numbers playing with those guys. Show him we can be ultra aggressive next summer. Have Culver's cater the meeting.

Left out Kuzma.

Like show him how harmful Kuzma is, and promise to get him off the team?

[Wonka]

I still don't think he asks out. Maybe there will be some kind of mutual understanding where he wishes he could stay and compete, but we've exhausted all assets to make that possible next season. Who knows. I believe he wants any reason to spite the Big NBA Media machine for putting words in his mouth, though.

Tell him you're bringing back Bobby, KPJ, Trent, Sims and show him the numbers playing with those guys. Show him we can be ultra aggressive next summer. Have Culver's cater the meeting.

Left out Kuzma.

Like show him how harmful Kuzma is, and promise to get him off the team?

Kuzma has no place on a team trying to win more than 20 games a season.

[JayMKE]

Kuzma sucks so bad he should have value as a tank commander

[Bernman]

So the Bucks better not go in there trying to sell him on a gap yr, rather how they're going to get creative, or at least buy time until they can make their offseason moves.

I really wouldn't be surprised if they did something desperate like signing Harden on a 2-yr s&t to fill the creation gap. Giannis called him one of the best to ever do it. He'd probably make us a very good regular season team. We just know what happens come the playoffs. And he'll be 36.

[ShootingtheJ]

Wouldn't be surprised if the meeting is simply for Horst to try to sell Giannis on replacing Doc.

[Matches Malone]

Wouldn't be surprised if the meeting is simply for Horst to try to sell Giannis on replacing Doc.

[PG Graveyard]

Wouldn't be surprised if the meeting is simply for Horst to try to sell Giannis on replacing Doc.

I think this is all theatre. The idea that the organization doesn’t already know what is going on would be surprising. I would imagine they pretty much know how their free agency is going to go by June 1st

[fan230]

So the Bucks better not go in there trying to sell him on a gap yr, rather how they're going to get creative, or at least buy time until they can make their offseason moves.

I really wouldn't be surprised if they did something desperate like signing Harden on a 2-yr s&t to fill the creation gap. Giannis called him one of the best to ever do it. He'd probably make us a very good regular season team. We just know what happens come the playoffs. And he'll be 36.

Actually this if doable, might be a good idea at this juncture.

Kuzma with his lack of a shooting ability as a replacement for Khris, one of the smoothest shooters, was a terrible idea. Yes we got below the 2nd apron but the team should have tried much harder to trade Pat C to get to the same goal.

Harden is a much smoother shooter than Dame who enamored us with the pick and roll fantasy of Giannis and Dame, which I thought was never something that was going to be attractive to Giannis. I think Giannis will enjoy playing with the smooth shooting ability of Harden for this year.

[th87]

Everything we know of Giannis is that he has never taken the easy way out.

He's big on loyalty and family, and "representing" (in the urban sense of the term). He's Nigerian, he's Greek, he's a Milwaukeean.

He also must know that he's partly responsible for any predicament we're in. I don't think his preference is to bail on that, given what we know of his values.

He may want more titles, but not at the expense of his values. He'd join Team USA if that was the case.

Media head discussion is projecting individualistic, more "Americanized" values onto him and predicting his motivations based on that lens. The last thing the Bucks and their fans should do is to feed into this culture. If he senses "I guess that's how it is in business," rather than "we succeed or fail as a family," that's how we lose him.

So let's not worry about bad plans to appease his basketball sense (which is how we got here), and instead worry about culture building, and the rest should fall into place.

[jakecronus8]

I think Giannis prioritizes winning slightly above loyalty which is why I lean in the direction that he moves on as much as he may not want to.

I like the optimist takes about him not quitting on this thing, but I am yet to see one realistic potential plan of action to make Milwaukee contenders again. I’m not sure Giannis sees a path either.

[Bernman]

What's the urgency for Giannis to move this offseason, as opposed to, say, at the trade deadline if the Bucks haven't pointed this in the right direction post Dame injury they haven't had a chance to adjust to? He wants rings, and they're not won in December.

[JayMKE]

There shouldn’t be any urgency, Id run the clock out and make Giannis walk away from over $100M and the city team he & his family spent a big part of his life. I think we can win the FA pitch with the money, making a splashy move right now might be difficult but maybe next offseason that’s different plus Dame will be back. He’s going to want that supermax money for sure.

[paulpressey25]

What's the urgency for Giannis to move this offseason, as opposed to, say, at the trade deadline if the Bucks haven't pointed this in the right direction post Dame injury they haven't had a chance to adjust to? He wants rings, and they're not won in December.

Teams that want him and have assets, are positioned right now with lottery picks. Houston, SA, Dallas.

If he’s going, behooves all parties to get something done by draft night.

[Bernman]

What's the urgency for Giannis to move this offseason, as opposed to, say, at the trade deadline if the Bucks haven't pointed this in the right direction post Dame injury they haven't had a chance to adjust to? He wants rings, and they're not won in December.

Teams that want him and have assets, are positioned right now with lottery picks. Houston, SA, Dallas.

If he’s going, behooves all parties to get something done by draft night.

That more applied w/ once in a generation opportunity to land Flagg. If that's not on the table, there's little cost not to wait til' the deadline. The same prospects, other ones, and picks in a more loaded draft in the top 10 will be available.

[JayMKE]

I don’t buy teams that would never have a dream of signing Giannis as a free agent are going to rescind their interest because there’s only one year left. If Dylan Harper is the prize we’re supposed to build the next decade around then I’m fine seeing what’s behind door number 2. Giannis isn’t walking away from a supermax extension one way or the other.

[fan230]

Kawhi has won 2 titles. Dirk has won one. They are both very good players. I would say Dirk is held in much higher regard for his loyalty.

Kd is a great player but he is not revered for the perception that he got a free ride to a Gsw championship and then trying various ways to show off his individual capacity to win a championship with the Nets.


Dwight Howard recently warned Giannis to not fall to temptation; he gave his own example of almost becoming a journeyman after leaving his long term original team.

I think Giannis has much more to lose than to gain by bailing on the Bucks now.

By the way, the rebuilding that some are salivating about is quite likely to not yield a championship for many years to come if not for another 50 years.