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Post#1801 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:17 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Targeting Richards would mean that we're serious about jettisoning one of Brook and/or Bobby. If that's the case, then I think we're looking at it a bit wrong. Question should be what wing or guard are we getting in addition to Richards when you throw one of those guys in? Richards and Cody Martin? Meh. Maybe there's a 3rd team that would like Bobby and kick us a more enticing perimeter option, but they'd still have to throw an extra asset Charlotte's way in this scenario. Would kinda just be another uninspiring deck-chair shuffling type move.


The only a way reshuffling deal gets us an impactful player is if we add the 2031- 1st.

Okoro is shooting the 3 really well this year, and has a friendly contact. Okoro and Richards could interest me.
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Post#1802 » by Bernman » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:08 pm

soxperry wrote:According to bball index, Nick Richards profiles as an elite anchor big defender but is significantly below average offensively as a roll and cut big. And thats with Melo as his lob thrower.

Im confused as to why the Bucks would want to add a big who cant space the floor unless hes just way better and quicker than Brook on d... doesn't seem to be the case though


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(if you can't see - C+ grade for rim protection, D for post defense, D+ for screen defense, F for off ball shot efficiency

So doesn't look like he helps us overall on either end. Not a shooter OR very functionally athletic on D.
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Post#1803 » by SupremeHustle » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:23 pm

I don't know much about Richards but peeking at his highlights, he's not the kind of big I think we need in 2025.
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Post#1804 » by MKE_Beers » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:24 pm

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soxperry wrote:According to bball index, Nick Richards profiles as an elite anchor big defender but is significantly below average offensively as a roll and cut big. And thats with Melo as his lob thrower.

Im confused as to why the Bucks would want to add a big who cant space the floor unless hes just way better and quicker than Brook on d... doesn't seem to be the case though


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(if you can't see - C+ grade for rim protection, D for post defense, D+ for screen defense, F for off ball shot efficiency

So doesn't look like he helps us overall on either end. Not a shooter OR very functionally athletic on D.


If we can flip Pat and a 2nd to CHA for Richards it sneaks us just under the 2nd apron. That plus a break glass in case of emergency big would make sense for us. I just doubt CHA goes for it.
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Post#1805 » by Wonka » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:43 pm

Yeah, Nick Richards isn't it. He's pretty rough on D akin to Bobby but without any of the offensive ability or spacing impact. Easy pass. Wouldn't be shocked if our FO goes for it, though.
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Post#1806 » by soxperry » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:49 pm

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soxperry wrote:According to bball index, Nick Richards profiles as an elite anchor big defender but is significantly below average offensively as a roll and cut big. And thats with Melo as his lob thrower.

Im confused as to why the Bucks would want to add a big who cant space the floor unless hes just way better and quicker than Brook on d... doesn't seem to be the case though


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(if you can't see - C+ grade for rim protection, D for post defense, D+ for screen defense, F for off ball shot efficiency

So doesn't look like he helps us overall on either end. Not a shooter OR very functionally athletic on D.


Then he has some explaining to do.. because his D Lebron rating is a 1.46 or something similar and it is elite for his defensive role.

Now, this is by far his best defensive season so maybe hes rating his career not just this season. But if not, his rating is broken
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Post#1807 » by soxperry » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:54 pm

Cant help but wonder if the offensive mediocrity with Giannis and Dame lineups comes down to Andre starting. If AJ green can actually defend then i dont see why hes not starting. Him or Trent. Both of them are better overall than Beasley and he started most of last season. Maybe they just want to really give Andre a chance to develop. But im growing impatient with the lack of offense
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Post#1808 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:05 pm

One of the reasons of the Bucks interest in Richards is his ability as a roll man/lob threat. Lopez has good hands, but when he screens at 35', Dame has to wait for him. Richards can give Dame the high screen he loves and needs, and then sprint to the hoop, forcing the defense into an impossible decision: let Richards dunk, or leave Green, Middleton, Trent, or Prince open in the corner, with Giannis on the other side making a 45 cut (which gives him a 1v1 and a head of steam attacking the basket).
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Post#1809 » by RiotPunch » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:36 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:One of the reasons of the Bucks interest in Richards is his ability as a roll man/lob threat. Lopez has good hands, but when he screens at 35', Dame has to wait for him. Richards can give Dame the high screen he loves and needs, and then sprint to the hoop, forcing the defense into an impossible decision: let Richards dunk, or leave Green, Middleton, Trent, or Prince open in the corner, with Giannis on the other side making a 45 cut (which gives him a 1v1 and a head of steam attacking the basket).

Yep. Richards could be our poor man's Lively on offense.
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Post#1810 » by Daver » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:20 pm

Nikola Vucevic, Robert Williams, Jonas Valanciunas, Nick Richards, and Day’Ron Sharpe are currently viewed as the most likely centers to be moved by the trade deadline.

Multiple second-round picks is the buzz around probable base compensation alongside necessary salary-matching.


Any of these centers interest the board as a BU
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Post#1811 » by tydett » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:29 pm

Ready to delete this in 2 years, but I think giving Livingstonaway in any deal would be a mistake before giving him another opportunity at real PT. Dude just seems to me to be one of those "Where was this guy hiding and why didn't his last team play him" 2 years down the road.
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Post#1812 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:40 pm

tydett wrote:Ready to delete this in 2 years, but I think giving Livingstonaway in any deal would be a mistake before giving him another opportunity at real PT. Dude just seems to me to be one of those "Where was this guy hiding and why didn't his last team play him" 2 years down the road.

I wish but I just don’t see it. There’s just nothing that sticks out to me. Destined to go down with the Jamal Sampson/Johnny Obryant/Damien Inglis’s in history.
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Post#1813 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:41 pm

Daver wrote:Nikola Vucevic, Robert Williams, Jonas Valanciunas, Nick Richards, and Day’Ron Sharpe are currently viewed as the most likely centers to be moved by the trade deadline.

Multiple second-round picks is the buzz around probable base compensation alongside necessary salary-matching.


Any of these centers interest the board as a BU

Sad that we don’t have the requisite 2nd round compensation packages to land these guys. Jae Crowder and/or Jon Horst need to be punished.
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Post#1814 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:42 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:One of the reasons of the Bucks interest in Richards is his ability as a roll man/lob threat. Lopez has good hands, but when he screens at 35', Dame has to wait for him. Richards can give Dame the high screen he loves and needs, and then sprint to the hoop, forcing the defense into an impossible decision: let Richards dunk, or leave Green, Middleton, Trent, or Prince open in the corner, with Giannis on the other side making a 45 cut (which gives him a 1v1 and a head of steam attacking the basket).

I don’t know why but this post reminds me of when Miles Plumlee caught a couple Giannis lobs in March and April and we paid him 50 million bucks.
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Post#1815 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:44 pm

Bernman wrote:
soxperry wrote:According to bball index, Nick Richards profiles as an elite anchor big defender but is significantly below average offensively as a roll and cut big. And thats with Melo as his lob thrower.

Im confused as to why the Bucks would want to add a big who cant space the floor unless hes just way better and quicker than Brook on d... doesn't seem to be the case though


This is from the B-Ball Index's founder:

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(if you can't see - C+ grade for rim protection, D for post defense, D+ for screen defense, F for off ball shot efficiency

So doesn't look like he helps us overall on either end. Not a shooter OR very functionally athletic on D.


I won’t be satisfied until I get analysis from Uncle Boobs and Disfatt Bidge.
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Post#1816 » by M-C-G » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:09 pm

tydett wrote:Ready to delete this in 2 years, but I think giving Livingstonaway in any deal would be a mistake before giving him another opportunity at real PT. Dude just seems to me to be one of those "Where was this guy hiding and why didn't his last team play him" 2 years down the road.


I oddly agree. I’m not going to sweat it if we trade him, but there are a lot of ‘he is solid’ aspects to his game. Which makes him feel underwhelming but could see him as a glue guy that fills in the cracks all over your line up
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Post#1817 » by Bernman » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:11 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:I won’t be satisfied until I get analysis from Uncle Boobs and Disfatt Bidge.


It says he's the founder of the stat site of significance that was referenced. It's based on their formula.
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Post#1818 » by Badgerlander » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:37 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:I won’t be satisfied until I get analysis from Uncle Boobs and Disfatt Bidge.


It says he's the founder of the stat site of significance that was referenced. It's based on their formula.


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Post#1819 » by Bernman » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:39 pm

tydett wrote:Ready to delete this in 2 years, but I think giving Livingstonaway in any deal would be a mistake before giving him another opportunity at real PT. Dude just seems to me to be one of those "Where was this guy hiding and why didn't his last team play him" 2 years down the road.


The best I can glean as to why he's been given 0 chance is he was put in the same boat as AJ Johnson & Tyler Smith due to pure age (he's not even as young) & Doc will almost never play a hybrid 4. Our bigs are rarely unavailable to force his hand.

He's shown an expanded game in the g-league. Though I'm not sure that's what he should be focusing on. Based on his public comments about accepting a role-playing gig, I'm thinking it's under the staff's direction. The Herd also have poor shot creation.

I'm assuming he can still defend. He's a big wing/hybrid 4 who can actually move and board, so that'd be nice. He can score at the basket & in transition. I don't know about the outside shot. But give him a shot. We can use another energy infusion.
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Post#1820 » by M-C-G » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:39 pm

So just checking spotrac. They have another year of AJ Green for next season. Is that right?

It would be risky but what if we used AJ Green as the asset to unload salary and bring back the bigs we need
DET AJ Green, Marjon, Pat C
MKE Reed, Duren (no idea what these guys have for value, more of a hypothetical example to unload salary and get the 4/5 type guy we need)

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